[Closed] Jocks at War with Tesco. I'm considering moving.

You're from Yorkshire. Its genetic.

Morrisons has the best selection of cheeses for a supermarket. And when choosing where to shop, that's mission critical to me. Oh.... and the freshly baked sausage rolls are really good.

Well I go to the butchers at dawn and then come home and fry some bacon. But we have a fridge at work too. So I often go in my lunchbreak.

If you wanted to go the butchers you would find a way, you don't want to that's fine.

I do actually believe that shopping at the big out of town supermarkets alters the social structure quite significantly. I was brought up in a small town with a high street, so I guess I have a bias, and I can see the benefit.

You're from Yorkshire. Its genetic.

Am I?! Jesus, news to me!

We now have regular Saturday Farmers Markets just down the road. This has recently involved seeing how many different varieties of sausage I can Jam into the freezer ata any one time

Dear Mr Mcwhirter...........

Present favourite... Lemon and lime sausage. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Coffee king - I was talking to monkey boy

...Morrisons has the best selection of cheeses for a supermarket. And when choosing where to shop, that's mission critical to me...

1 word; Waitrose.

...Oh.... and the freshly baked sausage rolls are really good...

Morrisons do have a good pastry counter, i'm addicted to their 'crantock' cornish pasties...

I'm not sure high streets have been killed off or indeed any social structure they maintained due to supermarkets
I live in a small town and the high st and market are as busy as ever, they may not be selling provisions any more in great quantities but if anything they're even busier selling other things
There's a couple of empty shops on the periphery that the recent recession has helped close and a good few more charity shops and bookies but the town as a whole is still buzzing and hasn't really changed in that sense since I was a lad in the 60s here when there were no supermarkets.
Small shopping precincts on estates have suffered worse IMO

coffeeking - Member
I did 4 years on 12K, but then I chose to do my degree close to home because I didn't want the financial overhead - call me common sensed, call me lucky (that a good uni was only 20 miles away). But I pay nigh on 100 quid a month on mine.

i was talking about the new system; you'd pay £50/month less under the new repayment conditions...

ahwiles - Waitrose? Seriously? I live in the North

I'm sure there may be one or two around Alderly Edge and Hale Barns for the footballers domestic staff to stock up on champagne and nibbles 😉

I'm not sure high streets have been killed off or indeed any social structure they maintained due to supermarkets
I live in a small town and the high st and market are as busy as ever, they may not be selling provisions any more in great quantities but if anything they're even busier selling other things
There's a couple of empty shops on the periphery that the recent recession has helped close and a good few more charity shops and bookies but the town as a whole is still buzzing and hasn't really changed in that sense since I was a lad in the 60s here when there were no supermarkets.
Small shopping precincts on estates have suffered worse IMO

Well I grew up in a place like that (pop 8k) which despite universal opposition got railroaded into its first out of town shopping centre (tesco) last year. The high street is still there, but there is much worry from all the traders who are now struggling.

My local high street (heavitree) which is on the outskirts of the city has declined so badly in the last 10 years due the presence of a tesco express and a somerfield. There was a butcher and a veg shop, now only a pasty place survives.

There is another high street near me (magdalen road) which is thriving but it's in the middle of a wealthy area.

The social structure I am talking about is having neighbours who are also the people you carry out your daily interactions with, shopping working etc. The supermarket, out of town shopping centre and the car have killed all of these interactions off. Without them there is less community support and crucially less consideration when it comes to preventing crime, or even carrying out crime.

Well I grew up in a place like that (pop 8k) which despite universal opposition got railroaded into its first out of town shopping centre (tesco) last year. The high street is still there, but there is much worry from all the traders who are now struggling.

So where was the universal opposition coming from? and why haven't they simply refused to darken Tesco's doors?
I suspect it either wasn't universal with the general population, someone lied about the numbers or they all decided Tesco was better after all

binners - Member

ahwiles - Waitrose? Seriously? I live in the North

we've got 1 in sheffield (i know it's not exactly [i]deep[/i] north)...

So where was the universal opposition coming from? and why haven't they simply refused to darken Tesco's doors?
I suspect it either wasn't universal with the general population, someone lied about the numbers or they all decided Tesco was better after all

I suspect you don't understand the difference between how people feel before the Tescos is built and after. There is a certain inevitability about it once its there. The universal opposition came from the parish council and its survey of the population, which was heavily against it, the parish council rejected the planning application, tesco used its lawyers to over rule them.

Your argument is pointless, if everyone believed what I believe then the supermarkets would collapse, but they either don't think about it or don't give a shit.

Don't use supermarkets myself,well not since 2003. Agree with toy19 on many of his points regarding the social stuff. Not to shop at a supermarket is just to much effort for many people, in fact I'd put it down to lack of interest in the food that many people eat. Good food does take a bit of effort but it does not cost more, not shopping at Saintescoopasdrrisonrose is cheaper for food.
Find it amazing that SNP have gone for a tax on the big boys though, bold move it could be or it could be seen as the start of taxes on businesses that make a lot of investments in Scotland. If you knew that once you and your job providing multi national were installed in a country you would be slapped with a new tax you had not bugeted for then perhaps your major investment would go to another country.

lack of interest in the food that many people eat.

Exactly!

Your argument is pointless

Not arguing anything there - I just obviously have a different understanding of what universal means I guess

Like a lot of things though, those that oppose anything are usual vocal whereas those that don't oppose it say and do nothing, often leading to the conclusion that not many people are against it

There is a certain inevitability about it once its there

Not following that - are you saying those that opposed it can't help themselves going there now it's built?

Well I go to the butchers at dawn and then come home and fry some bacon. But we have a fridge at work too. So I often go in my lunchbreak.

[b]If you wanted to go the butchers you would find a way, you don't want to that's fine.[/b]

well, if I wanted to, I could go and shoot myself a fresh rabbit, hang it for a couple of days and skin it - but to be honest its a little more convenient to buy it from a shop most of the time... the attitude of "the customer doesn't want to fit into our opening times" is the exact reason why the small butchers are closing, and the supermarkets growing

The Tesco store in Chorlton was universally opposed by just about everyone. The council voted unanimously to refuse the planning permission. Certainly absolutely no-one voiced any desire to have it there. But Tesco, as always, used its muscle and influence to overturn the decision and get it buil;t

So they got their way. It now apparently has the lowest sales (based on square foot of space) of any Tesco store in the country. And the local shops are still doing great. Because they offer cheaper and better quality food

And the local shops are still doing great. Because they offer cheaper and better quality food

that's absolutely superb and how it should be

Not following that - are you saying those that opposed it can't help themselves going there now it's built?

No you seemed to have ignored this: [i]I suspect you don't understand the difference between how people feel before the Tescos is built and after.[/i]. In that lots of people only consider this casually, and think that they would prefer a traditional high street, but when the Tesco is there they go along as every on else is and the high street will die so I might as well start saving now. I don't imagine that any of these were vocal. It's more like they were asked in a survey and said "yeah keep the high street sod tesco", but when it turns up they follow the herd.

So there is no misunderstanding about what universal means.

The pointless part of your argument is that you seem to think supermarkets are better as more people go there than shop elsewhere, and as I said people might not be aware of the issues or care about the issues.

TBH I am surprised at you uplink and now think you are just trying to wind me up. You a labour supproter and one fo the more "socialist" members of STW. Not that I am defining you as socialist. It surprises me that you are defending the corporates. Lets face it Tesco are not here for the good of us are they, its for the good of the shareholder. Do you not think that these corporations might try to manipulate us and the market place to increase profit? Do you think that allowing them to manipulate what we think we want is ok?

Did you know that loyalty cards increase total customer spend? They track how much you spend on on your credit/debit cards and can see that increase once you take up a loyalty card. How is that a good thing? Do you trust them?

OK I accept fully that the butcher wants you to spend more, but what he is selling and his approach is a little more transparent and honest. Also as an owner operator of a shop I can see him being more passionate about what he sells, my butcher is. Or he is an excellent actor/liar. That passion will be reflected in the customer experience, better quality goods. Interaction with other humans on more than a transactional level, mutual respect, better community.

I suggest that you have a look at the tescopoly website [url= http://www.tescopoly.org/ ]here[/url]. I wouldn't say I agree with all of the stuff they say but its pretty interesting and eye opening.

The pointless part of your argument is that you seem to think supermarkets are better as more people go there than shop elsewhere,

No
I like supermarkets, I like little shops, I don't particularly like big corps.

I don't like the vocal minority telling others how they must shop, I'd rather both existed and as long as people have the opportunity to choose what they want to do with their money - that's good

50 years ago you'd have to use up 33% of your income just on food, now it's 15%
I like that, it gives the working classes a better standard of life in many ways

Look out for Tesco's latest scam. Coming to a street near you soon. If its not there already

Buying closed down pubs. Of which there are no shortage nowadays. They buy it under the name of a front company or intermediary so that people don't know its them (they must be really assured of their popularity eh?)

They then kit it out and open a Tesco Metro store. They don't need to apply for planning permission as its not a change of use from the licensed premises. So nobody knows about it until its pretty much open

Nice!

They then kit it out and open a Tesco Metro store

do they keep the bookies that's invariably hanging off the side?

I don't like the vocal minority telling others how they must shop, I'd rather both existed and as long as people have the opportunity to choose what they want to do with their money - that's good

Ahhh I think I understand now. I'm not for telling people what to do. I'm for telling them the facts.

50 years ago you'd have to use up 33% of your income just on food, now it's 15%
I like that, it gives the working classes a better standard of life in many ways

Yes but that isn't because relative incomes are better, it because supermarket food is dirt cheap. People buy crap.

do they keep the bookies that's invariably hanging off the side?

I'm pretty certain there will be someone at Tesco head office presently doing a feasibility study on Tesco Bookies 😉

I'm for telling them the facts.

That's great but don't get all upset if they don't subscribe to you POV and use the supermarket, it's all good, everyone gets to choose their own path

Yes but that isn't because relative incomes are better

Yes, food prices have been driven down relative to income and I don't think it was the high st traders forcing prices down to any great extent

Yes, food prices have been driven down relative to income and I don't think it was the high st traders forcing prices down to any great extent

Oh yeah supermarkets have done the whole of society a great service by reducing prices. And the high street had nothing to offer society. 😕

That's great but don't get all upset if they don't subscribe to you POV and use the supermarket, it's all good, everyone gets to choose their own path

You are telling me how to think whilst advocating choice? I don't remember getting upset, people can shop how they like. I'm just raising something that you obviously have not thought about, I think that's a good thing. In the meantime please do shop where you like. I am all for the legislature using any technique they have to beat the supermarkets down, the supermarkets will use any method they can to extract more from us and build where they like.

The problem with choice is that sometimes people are too poorly informed to realise that the choice they have made is a bad one, so we have to inform them.

The same people that shop in supermarkets are the same ones complaining about crime, I think there is powerful link.

You are telling me how to think whilst advocating choice?

no, it was advice

The same people that shop in supermarkets are the same ones complaining about crime, I think there is powerful link.

Wow, I'm not even going to try going there

You may be interested to know, I have to call at the butchers on the way home
and ...... I was once going to be a butcher but my thumb wasn't heavy enough

good evening, got to dash before they close 🙂

scotlands largest private sector employer.... it begins in T and ends in esco

I missed that. Is it really? How much do you earn? Try earning 12k a year with a family and saying that at the checkout.

If I was earning 12k a year I certainly wouldn't be thinking 'Yes, this is definitely the right time to have kids'

Completely irrelevant for this argument but you can hardly bitch and moan in that situation can you?

totalshell - Member
scotlands largest private sector employer.... it begins in T and ends in esco

Kick them out, sucking up all the money from the local ecconomy and sending it down south to shareholders.

We have 3 tescos in a town of 30,000 WTF is that all about. Its almost impossible not to buy from them.

sending it down south to shareholders

Scottish Widows along with other pension funds are major shareholders

Heres a thought instead of trying to make huge profits to satisfy the shareholder pension companies why not just pay people more, or offer them a decent company pension.

Companies in this country make far too much profit at the expense of workers wages.

Anyway point is i would rather my money stayed local.

50 years ago you'd have to use up 33% of your income just on food, now it's 15%
I like that, it gives the working classes a better standard of life in many ways

It is interesting to note that rationing had only just ended [ 3 years] at the time of the study and prices of milk have reduced by 25 % - surely we should thank farmers rather than Tesco for this- costs have reduced and they have passed this on to us whilst retaining their mark up.
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Heres a thought instead of trying to make huge profits to satisfy the shareholder pension companies why not just pay people more, or offer them a decent company pension.

Is that one pack of cigarettes per [i]week[/i] junkyard 😕

toys19 - Member

The same people that shop in supermarkets are the same ones complaining about crime, I think there is powerful link.

I think we all wait with bated breath.

I used to live in Whalley range and I still miss the great shops - especially the veg shops.