Wrong! This was actually done via the coalition agreement between the conservatives and LibDems that meant that there was a 5 year stable government,
Can you explain that? There was no party able to form a majority, the Lib Dems negotiated a deal. They weren't forced to, they were a part of the negotiations, they did in fact hold the whip hand because they had what the other two parties wanted. That they gave away their support for a weak deal is no one's fault but theirs. The mechanism of support may be different between them and the DUP but the outcome is the same.
And yes, I have read the agreement. That's not really the point though.
+1 to muddy@rsedguy
the libdems for all their faults are the largest 100% antibrexit party and to beat the tory brexit will mean working with them whatever you think of them and in my mind brexit is the biggest danger to this country and their population, posturing and ranting because of past failures is not going to help the situation.
If you can’t see that words like scum, contempt, apologist etc do nothing but build barriers, then you are also part of the reason why we can’t have sensible, evidence based governance in this country. .
Oh do leave off. Clegg was seduced by the leather in his ministerial Jag and was too stupid to see that he was there to be the fall guy. Charlie Kennedy was absolutely right.
the libdems for all their faults are the largest 100% antibrexit party
they would sigbn up to a "Norway Style" coalition faster than a fly on shit.... #youknowit #yellowtories #spineless
There is zero evidence the libdems would save us from brexit, but their past shows us they will fling away their so called principles for a sniff of power.
No point fighting the battles of five/ten years ago, which is all the Labour Party seem to be interested in at the moment.
We face a potential calamity at the hands of a far right Tory clique.
The Labour Party simply refuses to even engage with that on any meaningful level, never mind oppose it.
The Lib Dem’s seem keen to take pick up the baton and take the fight to the Tories to try and prevent this lunacy, while working in coalition with other parties to do so
That’s why I, after a lifetime of voting labour, put my cross in the Lib Dem box at the E.U. elections, like so many other disillusioned labour voters
If there was a general election tomorrow I’ll do the same, because Brexit is the only game in town right now, and it’s just a little bit important
So Swinson has ruled out any deal with labour or the SNP
Here is a bet for you. If there is any conceivable way the numbers stack up Swinson will take the lib dems back into coalition with the tories. Its obvious thats her preference.
She will sell all her principles ( not that I believe she has any) for another ministerial car.
So yhose of you voting lib dem will get the tory government you say you do not want.
They had a choice which party they formed a coalition with in 2010 Nick Clegg chose the Tories even when the then labour government was a closer fit politically
Actually that is wrong. A "rainbow" coalition was a non starter. The Lib dems choice was coalition with the tories, supply and confidence with the tories or leave the tories as a minority government. Parliamentary arithmetic meant that no coalition with labour was possible
Here is a bet for you. If there is any conceivable way the numbers stack up Swinson will take the lib dems back into coalition with the tories. Its obvious thats her preference.
How much you willing to place on that one TJ? I'm no gambling man but I'd be willing to bet otherwise 🤔
The Lib Dem’s seem keen to take pick up the baton and take the fight to the Tories to try and prevent this lunacy, while working in coalition with other parties to do so
That's not going to happen.
And when Brexit has happened (likely) which party is likely to pick up the pieces?
I know which parties I wouldn't want in charge.
Dicky boy - forfeit not cash! The numbers may not stack up that way but if its possible I bet she does
I can't see Lib-Dems in a coalition with the Tories.
It would be lunacy on their part. Their resurgence in the polls is purely based on a remain ticket, the fact their economic policy etc is closer to Tories doesn't matter.
Say they increased their number of seats to 20 and use this to prop up a Johnson led Tory govt who had delivered a no deal brexit it would be the end of their party. Just look what happened after last coalition with Tories and the student fee stuff, Brexit is hugely more serious and polarising.
In terms of Labour, they may not do a formal coalition but if Labour offer a 2 ref with remain v whatever on the ballot then LDs would look churlish not to support at least until after the vote.
LDs are opposing any talk of deal with Labour now to maximise their vote in the election
Old dog - the price for supporting a tory government would be Johnson goes and a second ref is my guess.( which the tories would do no issue to hang on to power) Then they will support the tories. If the numbers stack up that way.
Swinson is a proven liar, hypocrite and a carpetbagger and politically right wing
It all depends on numbers, doesn’t it. I suspect either Conservatives or Labour would get a confidence and supply deal from the LibDems, if they were the only ones with the numbers, if they offered a referendum with a Remain option. If the alternatives are a coalition with either of the current leaders as the much smaller party, or another immediate general election at a time of crisis and the economic damage coming from that, the LibDems would never recover.
The unlikely result of very large numbers of LibDem/Green/other MPs would change all that of course, but our system makes that very unlikely. Not impossible though, if the parties and voters become unexpectedly cunning.
There will be 40+ snp. Hopefully they make the few lib dems redundant
Dunno - comedy pic posted on here?
So people see Boris offering a 2nd ref with remain as an option.
Seems pretty unlikely that he would stand on that as a manifesto commitment and it would be a big swing from a No Deal out on 31 Oct position. He would lose lots of support and there would likely be the prospect of another GE as soon as 2nd Ref was done and LDs withdraw support either because can't support a Brexit Govt or to cash in on a remain win at 2nd ref.
Seems much more likely Labour/SNP supply and confidence plus LDs,green, PC if remain 2nd ref offer. I'm not a fan of Swinson but I can't see she would be stupid enough to abandon the only prospect of remain. As I said they will oppose Labour hard up to GE as that is where there is most to gain.
Seems pretty unlikely that he would stand on that as a manifesto commitment
Utterly impossible. But what deals get done to support a minority government are not restricted by manifestos. They can’t be. Compromises must be struck. And if Johnson’s team don’t have a majority after an election (and some way can be found to have stopped us leaving first 🤷🏻♂️ ) they will need to get support from other parties. The numbers might mean that DUP + Brexit “Party” are enough. They might need other parties. They might think that despite losing an election they can win a referendum (especially if BP votes were high in that election), in which case, promising a referendum they think they can win would make sense to avoid another snap election while we have no government and the markets are dumping the UK.
Next government (if not a majority) unlikely to get to 5 years whatever deals are done though.
I see Swinson making a second ref as her price for propping up the tories and Johnson agreeing as neither of them have any principles and will do anything for power.
I just hope Swinson loses her seat.
I can't see LD joint a Tory/Brexit/DUP alliance under any circumstances, certainly not suggesting that pre-election
Swinson needs to get used to answering the same Qs about who she would support post election if there either main party can't get a majority - she will risk sounding like a broken record.
will do anything for power
You are all for PR, but dead against parties working together and having to compromise, it seems.
That is not an equivalent.
Yes I like PR because it tends to force compromise and consensus. what I dislike is liars and those who will do and say anything to gain power. Clegg and co did not compromise at all - they enabled a punative tory government. Acheived nothing bar 10 000 deaths and impoverishment of millions.
Holyrood has not quite worked as intended because of labours disgusting attitude but it works far better than Westminster. We have had labour / Lib dem coalitions where the lib dems actually acheived a great deal. We have had minority governments where the biggest party has had to negotiate to get their policies thru
We have never had a situation like Cleggs coalition where they simply gave away power for nothing.
