Jeremy Corbyn

ernie_lynch - Member
Well at least he can be warmed by the fact that you are listening to him though
There are certain people on here whose posts if they go beyond one paragraph I usually ignore, you're one of them btw,

Im touched

I even occasionally read Chewwy's posts

As above, a true unity candidate perhaps?

...I always try to read mefty's posts in their entirety, no matter how long they are. What do you think that might mean?

Given that you described yourself earlier as a piss-taker on here, it sounds like you are much happier dishing it out than receiving it. Is mefty a Thatcher fan too?

...anyway, from John Harris

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/29/whoever-leader-is-labour-may-never-recover-crisis

On one side is the current leader and a small band of leftist diehards, backed by an energetic, well-drilled movement but devoid of any coherent project and out of touch with the voters who have just defied the party in their droves. On the other is a counter-revolution led by MPs who mostly failed to see this crisis coming, have very few worthwhile ideas themselves, and are a big part of the reason the Brexit revolt happened in the first place. As the activist Neal Lawson says, the choice is essentially between different captains of the Titanic, and therefore is no choice at all.

What I've seen is Corbyn supporters - friends of mine - who were enthused and came into Labour because of Corbyn, and who are now trying to deselect sitting MPs (in Bristol and in Shipley - these are just the ones I've discussed this with).

They've no loyalty to Labour (no reason they should have I guess, tbe party's a means to an end not an end in itself?), and would rather bring down what they call "Blairites" (i.e. anyone anti Corbyn), with the end of the labour party just collateral damage.

If we were in any kind of PR system, even this would be survivable, but we're not.

All I'm left with are the wise words of Sir Richard Mottram

Also applicable to the general political situation atm...

Actually will that get me banned? I realise this isn't Mumsnet. Would editing be a good idea?

Ernie absolutely no one thinks Corbyn can win an election including Blair, to say he is "terrified" of that outcome is just daft. What Blair and others in the party are terrified of is the "Scottish outcome"

@welsh PR is dead for our lifetimes, we had the Referendum on AV driven by the Lib Dem (who should have pressed for PR) and that was lost

So 5 Tory MPs want Corbyn in and Cameron wants Corbyn out. Mmm who to trust, who to trust?

Well only 2/3 ish voted IN which was the official Labour policy on the EU Ref (although in fairness I bet most of them didn't know that as Labour's campaign was so low key).

Remain was also official government policy, which was hardly a secret.

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How did 4% of kippers vote remain?!

Onwards to the bright, bold Labour future comrades!

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How did 4% of kippers vote remain?!

Ukip MEPs , job protection vote

Ukip MEPs , job protection vote

You mean they bothered turning up to vote? Doesn't seem likely...

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I would happy to accept defeat if I thought that if in the future Labour Party members wanted to nominate someone else without the interference of the PLP they would be allowed to.

Fair enough, which of course I guess begs the question in your mind that if the MPs are so bloody good at winning elections, why can't they encourage enough people to join the Labour party to vote in the electable leader that they desire.

So as a rebuttal of anti-semitism in the Labour Party Corbyn's compared Israel to Islamic State.

'cos that's going to work every time.

(yes, I know but the bloke could have chosen not to make the comparison and avoided the whole Israel ? Jews thing)

Look on the bright side - at least the Labour shambles wont be front page news today - its Tory Thursday!

So if BoJo gets in, and Corbyn remains, we'll have two leaders hated by their MPs, but loved by their base?

Boris has pulled out.

BoJo is out. Gove vs JC? 😯

Theresa looks fav now to me. Blimey

Why "blimey"? She's always been the strongest candidate.

Why "blimey"? She's always been the strongest candidate.

which probably means she will not win, Gove, Leadsom both more likely

Mr Woppit - Member

Why "blimey"? She's always been the strongest candidate.

big_n_daft - Member
Why "blimey"? She's always been the strongest candidate.
which probably means she will not win, Gove, Leadsom both more likely

Don't be so daft, biggie. 😉 😀

Blimey, the Tories are running out of Bullingdon boys to screw things up.

Maybe they could recruit some of the Blairite Tories who aren't happy that the party they belong to has a leader who supports its principles.

They could screw up the country just as well, although it would be with a left-hand thread.

Or, the Tories Brexit, and Labour Fexit. 🙂

There are certain people on here whose posts if they go beyond one paragraph I usually ignore, you're one of them btw, so there's always a chance I might read anyone's post.[b] I even occasionally read Chewwy's posts.[/b]

You'll have to hold tight for any fresh material. He's been ban-hammered to the face for 3 months.

I always saw the contest as May vs Boris. IMO May is the clear favourite, she is highly eurosceptic and only went Remain out of loyalty to the Party. She is seconded by Grayling.

It will be May vs who ever is the Labour leader in 2020, which won't be Corbyn.

binners - Member

I don't think theres anything I could possibly say that would deflect yourself.....

I think that is possibly the most sensible comment you have made on this thread since you went from fanatically supporting Corbyn to fanatically opposing him.

There really isn't anything you might say which is likely to impress me. So keep on posting pictures Chewwy style and asking if I fancy mefty, taunting is pretty much all you've got left.

Meanwhile I will accept that binners hates the middle-classes, hates Guardian columnists, hates Southerners, hates Londoners, hates the residents of Islington, hates the Westminster bubble, hates UKIP, hates the Tories, hates Labour, hates the LibDems, hates the Blairites, hates the Corbynites, hates politicians, hates the Left, hates the Right, and hates the voters.

So much to hate and so little time to rant eh? Although to your credit your ranting truly is Olympic gold medal standard. What does your training regime involve......a quick 10 minute rant in front of the mirror before breakfast? A careful perusal of the top rants in Mein Kampf?

@ransos the Leave vote is perfect the for SNP, it gives them fresh impetus to push for Independence to try and turn 45/55 to 50.1/49.9 That was always their agenda. Had we voted Remain they would have pushed for the same thing

A careful perusal of the top rants in Mein Kampf?

And we've gone all Godwin.

jambalaya - Member

IMO May is the clear favourite, she is highly eurosceptic and only went Remain out of loyalty to the Party.

So there will be a coup against her then ?

Group hug Ernie?

You only have to ask, you know?

jambalaya - Member
I always saw the contest as May vs Boris. IMO May is the clear favourite, she is highly eurosceptic and only went Remain out of loyalty to the Party. She is seconded by Grayling.

It will be May vs who ever is the Labour leader in 2020, which won't be Corbyn

and according to the telegraph polling yesterday, Bojo was the only Tory who could beat labour at the next election.......

So much to hate and so little time to rant eh? Although to your credit your ranting truly is Olympic gold medal standard. What does your training regime involve......a quick 10 minute rant in front of the mirror before breakfast? A careful perusal of the top rants in Mein Kampf?

Nah, he peruses the organic delis and tapas bars in his comfortable middle-class enclave, whilst pretending it's grim up north.

[i]Bojo was the only Tory who could beat labour at the next election....... [/i]

although Labour are doing their best to make sure a mannequin in a suit could achieve a Tory victory.

And we've gone all Godwin.

More than you'd think. The beardy messiah obviously thought that Boris's omnishambles was detracting attention from The Glorious Leaders multiple shortcomings. So he's gone all... well... [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/jeremy-corbyn-appears-compare-israeli-government-islamic-state-labour-antisemitism-review ]Oh dear....[/url]

Group hug Ernie?

Well thanks for the offer but if I wasn't on your extensive list of people you hate I'm sure that I would start to feel a little inadequate.

I take the wrath of binners as a badge of honour. Although admittedly it puts me in rather mixed company.

Bojo was the only Tory who could beat labour at the next election.......

So he's gone all... well... Oh dear....

That's not my interpretation, TBH. Although a more media-savvy leader might have chosen a different metaphor if he wanted to talk about this rather thorny issue.

No hug? You can be very hurtful Ernie. I don't cope very well with rejection. I'm actually very sensitive behind my rufty tufty ranty exterior.

Manly high five instead...?

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So Gove v Corbyn in 2020 ?

A man who inspires people to want to queue up and slap, or a man who even his enemies describe as decent and honest ?

Or Gove v Eagle in 2020 ?

A man who inspires people to want to queue up and slap, or a woman who......sorry ....... who?

Anyone who reads that as 'comparing Israel to ISIS' needs to work on their comprehension skills. Weak as ****.

Ernie - the rate that everything's falling apart at the moment, I'm going to go for neither. Instead, Trump will win the US election, and before the weeks out.....

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Anyone who reads that as 'comparing Israel to ISIS' needs to work on their comprehension skills. Weak as ****.

We all know that there was nothing factually incorrect about his statement. Equally, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say, as the reaction to it was entirely predictable.

It's getting beyond a joke now. Eagle has supposedly postponed her leadership challenge (as we're all waiting with baited breath), because 'today is for the tories'. Do they coordinate their incompetence? I've got an image in my head of tory and labour spin doctors sending back-channel emails to each other to arrange which days they would like f up on.

Where are the libdems in all this fwittery? I really think Tim Farron should be chipping in with a sex scandal or two.

He's frantically ringing the other two MPs to organise a leadership challenge.

Far from calming the situation around anti-semitism Corbyn has inflamed it with his remarks today prompting one Labour councillor present to demand he resign immediately and another Jewish MP has left in tears after being attacked and abused by a member of Momentum

Corbyn is not stupid this was a deliberate attempt to raise the termperature comparing Israel to Islamic State, something his anti-semitic followers and supporters inside and outside the Labour Party will have been delighted with I am sure

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html ]Independent[/url]

Statement from the Jewish Labour MP

The MP called for Mr Corbyn to resign after the incident, saying he failed to intervene.

“Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy’s ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a [b]Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews[/b],” Ms Smeeth added.

prompting one Labour councillor present to demand he resign immediately

I would imagine at any one time there is a Labour councillor demanding he resigns.

Corbyn is not stupid this was a deliberate attempt to raise the termperature comparing Israel to Islamic State, something his anti-semitic followers and supporters inside and outside the Labour Party will have been delighted with I am sure

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[i]video and text evidence confirms tweets attributing Islamic State reference to @jeremycorbyn were misquotes....
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be interesting who was first to attribute it to him and why...

Just read the actual quote, masterful bit of trolling by Jez.

Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”

Zing!

ransos - Member

"Anyone who reads that as 'comparing Israel to ISIS' needs to work on their comprehension skills. Weak as ****."

We all know that there was nothing factually incorrect about his statement. Equally, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say, as the reaction to it was entirely predictable.

Well you've hit the nail on the head there. Corbyn is not a politician as we know politicians to be.

A senior politician, as we know them, would have had a team of advisors to carefully look at his prepared speech to see if it contained any potential hazards, like this obvious one.

The Tories, the Blairites, the media, are out to get Corbyn, they scrutinize every single word he utters to try and trip him up. As you say, this was entirely predictable.

But Corbyn speaks like a normal person, a normal functioning human being, the sort of person you meet normal life, not as a manufactured politician.

His supporters say that is Corbyn's appeal - he is a normal person not a typical politician which voters have grown to dislike, distrust, and been put off by.

His critics say he's not a proper politician and lacks the skills to be one, as this latest incident shows.

The question is who will the voters back? Corbyn's critics say not someone who they describe as "decent and honest" but someone more like those who voters have grown to dislike and distrust.

I suspect that his critics might be right, although I am very far from convinced. However this is a moot point as the overwhelming majority of the Labour Party has clearly made their decision, ie, to try a different approach.

Sincere apologies if this has been done already as I cannot face the bile overload of checking every page.

Meanwhile, Chilcot is waiting in the wings.
Tony Blair's peace camp are stirring against Corbyn in order to attempt to deflect attention away from the absolute s***storm heading Blair's way next week...

A senior politician, as we know them, would have had a team of advisors to carefully look at his prepared speech to see if it contained any potential hazards, like this obvious one.

The Tories, the Blairites, the media, are out to get Corbyn, they scrutinize every single word he utters to try and trip him up. As you say, this was entirely predictable.

But Corbyn speaks like a normal person, a normal functioning human being, the sort of person you meet normal life, not as a manufactured politician.

Yes, but it looked as if Corbyn was reading from prepared remarks...

But Corbyn speaks like a normal person, a normal functioning human being, the sort of person you meet normal life, not as a manufactured politician.

I just don't buy this. Yes it's refreshing to have someone who isn't a PR-moulded soundbite-bot. But he is still a politician. Being careful about what you say is hardly a new thing. Given that he has been under huge pressure on the anti-semitism issue, even if it is an invention of the media, his remarks were frankly idiotic, and if it wasn't for the fact that he has few friends already, he should have sacked his advisors and speech writers on the spot.

No normal person would depict Israel and IS as equivalents at a meeting about anti-semitism.

Massively stupid! But he wasn't saying they were equivalent.

I suspect that his critics might be right, although I am very far from convinced. However this is a moot point as the overwhelming majority of the Labour Party has clearly made their decision, ie, to try a different approach.

I hear you Ernie. I am really torn on the subject of Corbyn.

I have a lot of respect for him and its great to see a proper socialist at the forefront of UK politics, even if I think he failed to get the message across that it was socialist reforms like the welfare state which formed the foundation of the "golden era" that Leave voters were pining for.

I've always thought he'd be a transitional figure, heralding a rebalancing of Labour policy leftwards - but probably not [i]that[/i] far left.

Yes his critics probably are right that he won't win a general election, but the knives have been out for him from day one and he doesn't appear to have ever had the support of much of the PLP.

And the manner of this botched coup leaves a really nasty taste in the mouth and makes those involved look amateur and unprincipled. There doesn't seem to be any real plan for the way forward.

So while I sadly don't see him becoming PM, I can't support efforts to get rid of him like this.

Massively stupid! But he wasn't saying they were equivalent.

Doesn't matter, all that matters is that his detractors can portray him as having said it. Politics 101.

I think it must be utter f***ing genius

On the one day when the biggest and most dominant story in the news is the utter cat fight of Tory backstabbing and greasy pole climbing, Probably only the second day in the past six months where the combined negative Labour stories of anti-semitism and Corbyns car-crash leadership could have fallen off the news radar to be replaced by Tory infighting.

Corbyn manages to get himself on the six o'clock news with Labour slagging off the Jews again.

That surely takes a special sort of utter evil genius?

Maybe just making sure the ball is in the PLPs court? 🙂

"if I'm so bad challenge me"

He's a man of principle and conviction ninfan - timing and political expediency dont come into the equation 😉

But correct - its breathtaking!! Or at best, breathtakingly clumsy language, especially after his comments/assessment of Livingston.

Cant help themselves these guys can they....

"Corbyn manages to get himself on the six o'clock news with Labour slagging off the Jews again."

Well well well; someone lying to attempt to defame Corbyn. What a surprise.

"That surely takes a special sort of utter evil genius?"

it certainly takes a special sort of idiocy to even attempt to suggest that Labour are 'slagging off the Jews again'. When nothingof the sort has actually happened.

What has actually happened, is that Corbyn said this:

[i] "To assume that a Jewish friend or fellow member is wealthy, some kind of financial or media conspiracy, or takes a particular position on politics in general or on Israel and on Palestine in particular, is just wrong.
"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those various self-styled Islamic States or organisations."[/i]

Quite how you can twist this into 'Labour slagging off the Jews again' is just incredible. Utterly desperate.

Maybe you just wanted to invoke a special kind of vile, bitter, hateful invective against Corbyn. Maybe you just wanted to make yourself look utterly ridiculous. Either way, I hope you'll come to realise the stupidity of your comments, and at least admit it to yourself.

Well said clodhopper. Much better put than I started to write before deciding not to get dragged in.

utter cat fight of Tory backstabbing and greasy pole climbing

It must help take the sting off the sight of the People's Party engaged in self-immolation, but the tendency to think that anything similar is going on across the aisle is just silly.

It's not a "cat fight". The Conservatives are not "tearing themselves apart".

The contenders are maneuvering, side-stepping, engaging in sleight of hand and doing deals with each other behind closed doors (except, I suspect, Theresa May).

It's a leadership contest. That's what happens. When the Labour Pains get around to it, it will be no different.

certainly takes a special sort of idiocy to even attempt to suggest that Labour are 'slagging off the Jews again'. When nothingof the sort has actually happened.

Ruth Smeeth MP doesn't appear to agree with you:

[i]“This morning, at the launch of the Chakrabarti Inquiry into antisemitism, I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a ‘media conspiracy’. It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people.
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Ruth Smeeth MP doesn't appear to agree with you:

It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people.

Bless.

How is that 'Labour slagging off the Jews again'? It's one individual. The man who accused her of colluding with the media claims he did not know she was Jewish. So it really, really isn't a case of 'Labour slagging off the Jews'. As much as you so really desperately need it to be. Sorry to piss on your chips.

Probably planted there like all the other hecklers etc.

So it really, really isn't a case of 'Labour slagging off the Jews'. As much as you so really desperately need it to be. Sorry to piss on your chips.

Lets sit back and see whose version of events the mainstream media end up portraying.... 😆

who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a ‘media conspiracy’.

Good God 😯

Quite how you can twist this into 'Labour slagging off the Jews again' is just incredible. Utterly desperate.

To assume that a STW friend or fellow member is wealthy, some kind of financial or media conspiracy, or takes a particular position on politics in general or on Israel and on Palestine in particular, is just wrong.
"Our STW friends are no more responsible for the actions of the cylcing industry than our Muslim friends are for those various self-styled Islamic States or organisations."

Its a monstrously preposterous view to claim that post just slagged of STW

Lets sit back and see whose version of events the mainstream media end up portraying

It wont make it correct, just or decent...have you given up so quickly trying to argue the preposterous - Smiley here for dramatice affect

Calling anti-Corbynites part of a media conspiracy is not an anti-semitic insult!

Lets sit back and see whose version of events the mainstream media end up portraying....

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36676018 ] That it occurred at an event to report on dealing with accusations of anti-Semitism within Labour showed "how deep the sickness is in parts of the left of British politics today", he said in a statement. [/url]

Too many JambaFacts in the last 2 pages to quote them all, but this is the first one I came across. Re the SNP:

Had we voted Remain they would have pushed for the same thing

I guess this isn't as bad as the rest, because stating the SNP want another referendum isn't exactly untrue but to suggest they'd be pushing for another referendum [i]because[/i] of a Remain vote seems pretty far fetched.

13000 people have joined the Labour Party in recent days. How terribly confusing.

5thElefant - Member

No normal person would depict Israel and IS as equivalents at a meeting about anti-semitism.

And neither did he. Obviously.

And neither did he. Obviously.

But sure, he could just be an idiot rather than anti-Semitic.

Which chief rabbit?

If you think he insulted Jews as a people then you must also think he accused all Muslims of supporting Isis.

So you think that?