Jeremy Corbyn

dragon - Member

True that about the Exocet Thatcher had a lot of negotiation with Mitterand to stop the sake of more missiles and also getting the design plans. In return the French got to build the channel tunnel. The world of international politics.

When the first Exocet sank one of the ship (can't remember which one now) we thought (watching news in the far east) the entire fleet would bite the dust and having no choice but to use the nuclear sub to nuke them to kingdom come. Luckily, the back door negotiation halted that and we happily went on watching Skyhawk (French Mirage not sure) vs Harrier ...

How did a a debate about Jeremy Corbyn evolve into a right wingers circle jerk about the Falklands war ?

kimbers - Member

How did a a debate about Jeremy Corbyn evolve into a right wingers circle jerk about the Falklands war ?

Not me.

I did not start it ... 😆

Because in the last 87 pages only 196 people have joined in, it's getting to the point where even they are bored and need to find something new to argue about, I drop in every 10 pages or so and this is the first one thats a bit different.

and today democratic Chile supports Argentina's territorial claim on the Falkland Islands.

the entire fleet would bite the dust and having no choice but to use the nuclear sub to nuke them to kingdom come.

How did a a debate about Jeremy Corbyn evolve into a right wingers circle jerk about the Falklands war ?

Well, apparently he does support Argentina's claim and has talked about shared sovereignty, although I don't know how much of that is the press making mischief. More interesting than having talked to Irish republicans/Hamas imo!

airtragic - Member
It was a nuclear powered boat, not a nuclear armed one.

airtragic - Member

and today democratic Chile supports Argentina's territorial claim on the Falkland Islands.

Not all progress then!

Does that matter who support who so long as they don't invade Falkland? Everyone knows S.America are all very badly managed and corrupted ...

I always wonder why not many foreign reporters investigate the drug cartels in S.America ...

airtragic - Member
Well, apparently he does support Argentina's claim

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Will somebody send this man a set of short-pin metal flats... Surely we can all agree on that?

Surely we can all agree on that?

I think you've got a bit of a nerve telling the Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group what pedals to use.

Because in the last 87 pages only 196 people have joined in, it's getting to the point where even they are bored and need to find something new to argue about, I drop in every 10 pages or so and this is the first one thats a bit different.

BTW is that an iPhone Jezza is sporting ? How come he's not riding a British bike ?

How come he's not riding a British bike ?

Well obviously because he hates Britain.

A bit like Ed Miliband's father.

Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group

He just lost my vote. Literally cannot believe he knows what he's talking about now.

He just lost my vote.

Wtf, because he's Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group ??

The APPCG's mission statement says : "[i]the group’s mission is to promote all forms of cycling inside and outside the Houses of Parliament[/i]"

http://allpartycycling.org/

Anyone who wants to promote cycling inside the Houses of Parliament get's my vote. It might make the BBC Parliament Channel worth watching.

jambalaya - Member
Because in the last 87 pages only 196 people have joined in, it's getting to the point where even they are bored and need to find something new to argue about, I drop in every 10 pages or so and this is the first one thats a bit different.

Best post so far I've definitely lost interest, not least as the reality is more entertaining.

Ernie_lynch - Member
How come he's not riding a British bike ?
Well obviously because he hates Britain.

A bit like Ed Miliband's father.

I was kidding EL, but I was talking about those plastic pedals. I genuinely cannot understand how anyone could use them! Yuk!

In all the years I sold bikes I never had one customer regret switching from nylon and elastomer to decent flat (with very short pins if for smart shoes).

In all the years I sold bikes I never had one customer regret switching from nylon and elastomer to decent flat (with very short pins if for smart shoes).

Jambalaya - Member
I've definitely lost

gofasterstripes - Member
I was kidding EL, but I was talking about those plastic pedals. I genuinely cannot understand how anyone could use them! Yuk!

In all the years I sold bikes I never had one customer regret switching from nylon and elastomer to decent flat (with very short pins if for smart shoes).

Me too, and DX's on the tourer.

So, yes, yes it does 🙂

Since we haven't had a good Corbyn related story for a few days, how about this one:

[b]Meat should be treated in the same way as tobacco with public campaigns to stop people eating it, according to the shadow farm minister, Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East [/b]

On a wider point why do we keep getting these wacko's in Parliament. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Jeremy Hunt (oh and the SNP & UKIP) support homeopathy, FFS. It doesn't matter which side I vote for I get the same old unscientific bull sh*t.

gofasterstripes - Member
Me too, and DX's on the tourer.

So, yes, yes it does

Since we haven't had a good Corbyn related story for a few days, how about this one:

There goes the thread into veggis vs omnivores downward spiral. She has a point though. And seeing as we've brought up dead animals, I note that no one has commented on the ill-fated timing of there being no PMQs this week after Ashcroft's amusing revelations. Seems Ashcroft was doing Cameron a favour after all.

Meat should be treated in the same way as tobacco with public campaigns to stop people eating it, according to the shadow farm minister, Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East

Absolutely - it requires a [b]huge [/b]amount more resources (especially water) to produce than other food stuffs. It's widely reported that eating the amount of meat that we eat with the modern western diet is also often harmful. Then there's the welfare issue of large scale farming aimed at the lowest retail price.

Therefore there is a pretty clear cut case for trying to decrease the amount of meat eaten by the population through education and campaigning.

Homoeopathy may not contain any measurable chemicals, but in that case it's easy for the NHS to produce their own homoeopathic medicines and AFAIK placebo trials are often very effective.

Back under your bridge.

Of more concern was the reported statement by JC supporting a unified Ireland. While he may support this - the consensus in Westminster is to not talk about it saying that it is up to the people of NI to determine their own future. In any case why would the republic want NI to join? Given the large amounts of public spending required it would bankrupt the republic.

Perhaps JC needs to spend more time thinking about what he is going to say rather than saying it. While it may be 'refreshing' to have a politician speak their mind, it comes back to bite later. He is the leader of HM Opposition and as such his 'pronouncements' are seen as official policy. If he wants to be taken seriously as a potential PM, then he needs to understand that he cannot simply state what he thinks is a good idea. A backbencher can get away with it (see the Loonies about homoeopathy) Leaders cannot.

(Can't remember if I have contributed before so I may just have pushed the number of contributors closer to 200)

I am doing you supporters a favour by pointing out what Corbyn needs to work on, well tbh I'm only saying what all the senior figures in the Labour and most of the MPs are saying. Sturgeon and Salmond are a far greater danger to the UK than Corbyn as he has zero chance of being elected and the longer he stays as leader the better will be the eventual outcome of Labour abandoning strongly leftist policies for the foreseeable future. So Corbyn is actually good for the UK IMO which is why I wanted him to win

@sadmad indeed very worrying and similar to his Falklands statements. A significant portion of the NI population do not want a "united" Ireland

ecause in the last 87 pages only 196 people have joined in

I am doing you supporters a favour by pointing out what Corbyn needs to work on

Yes of course you are given your illustrious CV has he not been in touch to offer a job?

I'm only saying what all the senior figures in the Labour and most of the MPs are saying

[b]FFS will you at least learn why they are an utter waste of time and fallacious thinking.[/b]
Please learn this it is very simple

A significant portion of the NI population do not want a "united" Ireland

statement by JC supporting a unified Ireland

CMD made a statement that he supported [s]west ham[/s] [s]bury[/s] aston villa, I don't think he made it a policy though.

While he may support this - the consensus in Westminster is to not talk about it

I can't see a problem. Corbyn is entitled to his opinion, the Good Friday Agreement fully recognizes that those who wish for a united Ireland have a perfectly legitimate point of view.

Like Corbyn I've always supported the reunification of Ireland - a divided community in a divided country has always seemed like a pretty stupid idea to me, and a recipe for disaster. To be fair I think we can all agree that history has judged the idea rather harshly.

Although I'm sure it made a lot of sense to the British government almost a 100 years ago, ie, let the Irish have their independence but only let them have the rural areas with extreme poverty and primitive peasant farming, we'll keep the wealthy industrial areas which employ skilled well-paid Scottish/English protestant immigrants, and which discriminate against unskilled poor Irish nationalists.

Oh how things have changed, as you point out in your reference to the burden on the UK government.

Its great to see what you canone can achieve if you just place loyal subjects of a foreign country in another land

Like Argentina?

Argentina was under Spanish control and I believe the British did a deal for the Falklands with Spain. The Argentinian claims are tenuous at best.

Like him or not, sage words from Mandelson for Labour supporters. Quotes from a paper he has circulated and reproduced in the Guatdian which is the UK's most prominent leftish newspaper and now fquite notably anti-Corbyn

[i]In his paper, Lord Mandelson writes: “In choosing Corbyn instead of Ed Miliband, the general public now feel we are just putting two fingers up to them, exchanging one loser for an even worse one. We cannot be elected with Corbyn as leader.

“Nobody will replace him, though, until he demonstrates to the party his unelectability at the polls. In this sense, the public will decide Labour’s future and it would be wrong to try and force this issue from within before the public have moved to a clear verdict.”[/i]

Oh Mandy....

Argentina was under Spanish control and I believe the British did a deal for the Falklands with Spain. The Argentinian claims are tenuous at best.

These bloody foreigners eh

I am ignoring the fact that your history lesson is wrong we took it with force then abandoned it then retook it with force about a century later [ we left a plague saying it was still ours ] kicking of the Argentinian inhabitants.
Indisputably ours like Gibraltar and Ireland etc

As for mandy can i just say appeal to authority - shall i add it as a signature?

Lord Mandelson writes: "In choosing Corbyn instead of Ed Miliband, the general public now feel we are just putting two fingers up to them, exchanging one loser for an even worse one".

Peter Mandelson is a politician who shamefully had to resign from government in disgrace. A few years later he was given a second chance and unbelievably he had to resign [u]again[/u] in disgrace.

He then decided to give up being an elected politician altogether and went for a nice cushy job as an EU Commissioner, a political appointment which means that it doesn't matter if the public thinks you're a tosser - no one needs to elect you.

When his term as EU Commissioner ended Peter Mandelson thought he try his luck again with UK politics, only this time to avoid the need of people liking him and having to be elected he decided to go for the completely unelected chamber in the UK legislature.

That's why we now call him Lord Mandelson and how he got back into the last Labour cabinet without a single person voting for him.

Who gives a toss about what Mandelson has to say, apart from you jambalaya ?

"the group’s mission is to promote all forms of cycling inside and outside the Houses of Parliament"

God bless the children of the Ulster plantation eh. Its great to see what you canone can achieve if you just place loyal subjects of a foreign country in another land
Heart warming eh.
See also the Falklands and Gibraltar

On this rationale, we'd better be getting back to Saxony, Normandy, Scandinavia and ultimately the Great Rift Valley.

Argentina as an independent country didn't exist when the UK colonized the Falklands. In any case, you can't visit the sins of the fathers on their great-great-great grandsons. I presume you agree with the UN charter's position on self-determination?

Who could dispute that we dont own an island on the other side of the globe that we took with force

To be fair, both sides in that rather pathetic little wildly waving squabble are guilty on this count.

No it was unoccupied when the Argentinians arrived - we had left but still claimed it as ours naturally- we then evicted them with force , refused them the right to return[ or any argentinian iirc possibly still do not sure] and now talk about how we respect the islanders right to self determination.

UK colonized the Falklands. In any case, you can't visit the sins of the fathers on their great-great-great grandsons*. I presume you agree with the UN charter's position on self-determination?

* I assume that means all the stuff the Nazis stole from the Jews will be passed on soon enough then to the rightful owners of the children of the thiefs? When does the wrong stop being wrong and become right - how many generations?
I assume you agree with their position on what happens to colonised territories

Solemnly proclaims the necessity of bringing to a speedy and unconditional end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations;

This debate has been done to death but we took a wee island on the other side of the world by force, removed the inhabitants, put ours there , stopped them coming then claim"self determination" as the principle for the implanted population. Its not a convincing argument IMHO
As i said see also NI and Gibraltar but its pretty clear to see what we did. Some folk still think [ 18 th century]might is still right.
I disagree.

It's amazing how the left are such avid supporters of fascist dictators.

Its amazing how ad homs beat debate for some folk. Irreconcilably we were dicsussing thatcher supporting Pinochet earlier

Two brief points.
1.Feel free to point out the errors or flaws in my argument.

2. Its possible to think our the UK claim is not legitimate and to dislike fascist dictators.

No it was unoccupied when the Argentinians arrived -

I was actually referring to Argentina tbf

Apologies then for the misunderstanding
I leave that to ernie as i dont know much about the country

1.Feel free to point out the errors or flaws in my argument.

You argue as a hobby. You could argue anything, any side, with equal ability. Yet, like the other lefty hobbiest arguers, it's always the mass murdering fascists and totalitarians that you side with.

It's odd.

I requested you point out the flaws in my argument not that you keep making things up.

You seem to have, once more, pointed out my personal flaws and everyone else on the left.

Would you like to try again focusing on the argument/points rather than the man or shall we just accept its beyond you to argue with reason and not insults?

ou argue as a hobby. You could argue anything, any side, with equal ability. Yet, like the other lefty hobbiest arguers, it's always the mass murdering fascists and totalitarians that you side with.
It's odd.

It's not to do with being a Lefty, its coz he's a Vegan.

Maybe that makes him double evil

I leave that to ernie as i dont know much about the country

Erm, no thanks. If there's one thing I've learnt on here is the complete futility of attempting to have a sensible and rational debate about the Falklands, take the crass [i]"It's amazing how the left are such avid supporters of fascist dictators"[/i] comment as an example. I've mostly skipped over the references to the Falklands on this thread.

It's made all the easier by the fact that I personally don't have strong emotive views on the Falklands. I do however support the United Nations stance on the issue - something which clearly many people on here, in keeping with successive UK governments, don't.

Can I just add that almost every country in the world, including all of Latin America, supports a the decolonization of the Falklands, which is why UN resolution after UN resolution backs Argentina. Even our closest ally and the one with whom we allegedly have a "special relationship", the US, refuses to back the UK and the best it manage is to abstain from Falklands related votes at the UN.

A point which those who are convinced of the righteousness of the UK hanging on to an insignificant remnant of a once mighty empire might like to consider, and something which quite frankly I find rather embarrassing.