Jeremy Corbyn

Chaps, who care what you think of my posts or their source, it's want the Labour Party and the electorate think of JC and so far he's very predictably struggling.

As far as @ernie's rebuttal I am sure he knows both Blair and Thatcher had held cabinet/shadow front bench roles.

His inexperience shows in how he gives credibility to terrorists by associating with them as an MP

Corbyn invited Adams to the House of Commons in 1984

Was Adams arrested ........ what with him being a terrorist and all?

No of course not. He is not a terrorist, despite extensive anti-terrorism legislation Adams has never been convicted of terrorism. He was not responsible for the Brighton Bombing.

Adams is the leader of a perfectly legal political party. It is the largest nationalist party in NI, and the second largest party in the province.

People in NI are perfectly free to vote for his party and a quarter of voters in NI do. If Adams wanted to he could freely and legally sit in the House of Commons. The UK government pays for his expenses (the UK government funds terrorists?)

So here we have the leader of a legal political party which today enjoys the support of 25% of the people of NI, who can sit in the House of Commons, paid for by the UK government, but you want to suggest that he's some sort of terrorist?

And denounce any politician who has ever talked to him?

Btw mefty thank you for offering a criticism of Corbyn's past association with Sinn Fein in sensible and measured way, it's in so much contrast to jambalaya's mudslinging nonsensical rants.

@tmh whilst Syriza are back in Greece Front Narionale are the runaway leaders of the regional election polls for the North of France (Pas de Calais) with the right in second and the PS of Hollande a distant third. A very strong showing away from their traditional heartland of the South. Socilaists not seen as remotely credible on migration.

Whatever you think the rights and wrongs of the overall struggle that was an incredibly provocative thing for an MP to do, one that chimed with some, but likely horrified the majority. It is not unreasonable to remind people of that and ask questions about his judgement.

If that's what people were doing, in a reasonable and measured way, I doubt any of us would have too much of a problem with it. But that's not what people are doing, they are hysterically screaming 'TERRORIST SYMPATHISER' over and over again as a blatant smear, in a way that completely fails to take into account reality or the rank hypocrisy involved.

Who was leader at the time you're talking about? That's right, Margaret Thatcher - Tory hero and lifelong friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet, a despicable mass murderer and torturer. She continued to defend him to the hilt long after his appalling crimes came to light.

Pinochet killed and tortured at least as many people as the IRA ever did, with much less of a 'legitimate cause'. It's utter hypocrisy for those papers and people who lionise Thatcher to be claiming outrage over this.

So now we have a PM describing the opposition as a threat to national security, and a senior general advocating a coup if Corbyn were to get into power.

#sleepwalkingintofascism

The staunch tory boys (please could someone post a pic of Harry Enfield's character for me) have got their knickers in a right twist over JC.. That's good enough for me.. He'll get my vote for that alone 🙂

When the tory smear tactics come slithering into play with that pathetic, bellicose whine, I see Enfield's face every time.. Dunno whether to laugh or cry

Btw mefty thank you for offering a criticism of Corbyn's past association with Sinn Fein in sensible and measured way, it's in so much contrast to jambalaya's mudslinging nonsensical rants.

+1

I enjoy Mefty's posts on these threads - much as I disagree with him on virtually everything it's good to see the other side being put forward in a rational and sensible way, in stark contrast to you-know-who's bilge.

Oh, and the queen does associate with terrorists too:

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Or at least rulers of the country where virtually all the 9/11 bombers came from, the country that massively funds the promotion of the most extreme version of Islam, the country that decapitates dozens of people with swords, that imprisons women for being raped, the country that treats returning ISIS fighters to a a luxury 'rehabilitation centre'.

http://www.technocrazed.com/a-luxurious-prison-for-terrorists-in-saudi-arabia-gallery

Bit of a lack of judgement from the queen there (and David Cameron obviously who payed fawning tributes to King Abdullah) - I'm surprised there hasn't been more fuss about it in the newspapers. It's almost as if the press has an agenda.

jambalaya - Member

@Klunk, the piece is in English and German

Stop the War - Poem link

So what's wrong with the poem ? I couldn't see a problem - can you explain jambalaya ?

It's obviously very anti-monarchy, a lot of people are. Personally I take the same view as Corbyn on the monarchy, ie, it's not really an issue which needs to be dealt with right now.

So is that the problem jambalaya - it criticizes the monarchy ? I think a fair few people on here would criticize the monarchy in much stronger terms than that - shouldn't it be allowed ? What would you do with JHJ ?

Btw do you have a problem with the Sex Pistols "God Save the Queen The fascist regime" ? That's insulting too, and inaccurate. And yet it was/is played on the radio and telly.

For someone who claims that there is so much to criticize Corbyn you do spend a ridiculous amount of time on pointless mudslinging jambalaya. Can you really not talk about the real issues ?

yunki - Member
The staunch tory boys (please could someone post a pic of Harry Enfield's character for me) have got their knickers in a right twist over JC.. That's good enough for me.. He'll get my vote for that alone

Since I have no political affiliation I have voted for all of them (all major parties with the exception of far right or some obscure far left communist ones) to suit the different timeline and situation. I have voted for Green, Lib Dem, Tories, Labour and UKIP ... they are all clowns aren't they?

But the moment to vote Labour again will not happen for a very long time until they can come to their senses that their views of the world are vastly different to mine.

Yes, I am only one person with one vote but I will certainly not vote for Labour with their current attitudes of we are of "one big family". No we are not you ZMs.

You bend down if you like to be pow! pow! pow! from behind but me not bending down for some ZMs even if it means I am the odd one out.

😆

grum - Member

Btw mefty thank you for offering a criticism of Corbyn's past association with Sinn Fein in sensible and measured way, it's in so much contrast to jambalaya's mudslinging nonsensical rants.

+1

I enjoy Mefty's posts on these threads - much as I disagree with him on virtually everything it's good to see the other side being put forward in a rational and sensible way, in stark contrast to you-know-who's bilge.

Really? I mean really?

No wonder many dislike my expression of ZMs and the way I argue. 😆

Couple of my old favourite images from [b]Stop the War event[/b] in Bradford (that orangisation of which JC is so fond of) peace long souls, flowers in their hair ? I do so wonder why people keep drawing links between terrorists and JC ?

what source are you using for this ?

So what's wrong with the poem ? I couldn't see a problem - can you explain jambalaya ?

I was surprised as it didn't actually mention "terrorism" and the queen in the same sentence.

"I do so wonder why people keep drawing links between terrorists and JC ?"
Is it because he was a friend of Pinochet, and Suharto or because he sent the SAS to train Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge.

Corbyn invited Adams to the House of Commons in 1984 within a couple of weeks of the Brighton Bombing carried out by the IRA.

For what purpose? A celebratory beer? To say well done for murdering people?

You're still just insinuating. Like this talk of "links". Why does that really mean? You're all just playing this stupid game over and over. Sickening and infuriating.

Jambo - why do you always post those two images? It's really lazy and we've all seen them before. Further, what exactly is the black flag that man is holding?

Is it an Islamist flag? Is the man not free to hold such a flag? Are other demonstrations allowed in the UK that involve outspoken people and their flags [ie far right groups]? Is the man surrounded by other people holding such a flag?

The other picture, of the young guy making a "bang" symbol - is this unusual? How many boys are brought up playing with guns? Don't a great deal of young men glorify violence in later life, and how common is this is action at a protest march?

lastly - Vice reports on contentious issues a lot, and sometimes runs sensationalist stories to keep it's image as "edgy".

Basically, I've had it with your trolling at this point, jog on.

Oh and Rupert Murdoch has a massive massive stake in Vice, that quite frankly looks like an "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" move to me.

You're still just insinuating. Like this talk of "links". Why does that really mean?

I don't understand why people claim that Corbyn [i]invited[/i] Adams to the House of Commons in 1984.

As far as I can figure out he didn't need an invitation as he had been elected Member of Parliament for West Belfast the previous year.

And as I said earlier the UK government, that'll be the one led by Thatcher, was paying Gerry Adams's political expenses in 1984, ie, they were funding him.

So Tsipras wins and Syriza get a other mandate to oppose austerity - how many is that now?

Not really. A mandate to implement the MoU he signed and hopefully to reform institutions in a less corrupt way than ND. Of course it won't work- nobody on any side actually believes that it will - so there will be more trouble down the road. What that has to do with JC I don't really know.

[i] molgrips - Member
You're all just playing this stupid game over and over. Sickening and infuriating[/i]

That goes for all "sides".

It's only taken [b]85 pages[/b]

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I don't understand why people claim that Corbyn invited Adams to the House of Commons in 1984.

There was certainly a ban on those who refused to take the loyal vow to use HoP facilities, whether than had been brought in at this stage I can't remember. Likewise entitlement to expenses was stopped. Blair brought these back.

I do have a vague recollection from that time and I do remember it being pretty provocative at the time.

For what purpose? A celebratory beer? To say well done for murdering people?

I don't know why - but I hazard a guess neither do you.

EL - One tries but there is only so much time in the day - however, I think you are failing to cut others sufficient slack - you do realise he worked in the City during the IRA bombing campaign, don't you? He is probably suffering from PTSD.

Couple of my old favourite images from Stop the War event in Bradford (that orangisation of which JC is so fond of) peace long souls, flowers in their hair ? I do so wonder why people keep drawing links between terrorists and JC ?

EL - One tries but there is only so much time in the day - however, I think you are failing to cut others sufficient slack - you do realise he worked in the City during the IRA bombing campaign, don't you? He is probably suffering from PTSD.

Post of the thread so far!

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These two look awfully close. Makes you think doesn't it?

Timing and context is everything that photo with Gerry Adams and Prince Charles was after a long period of peace and an attempt to move along relations. However JC inviting convicted IRA bombers to the house of commons shortly after the Brighton bombing and before the by-election for Anthony Berry who was killed in the attack, shows either poor judgement or deliberate provocation. And lets face it JC has always been clear he is pro a united Ireland so it smacks of approving of the IRA's methods.

You can read the Heralds take on the JC story back in 1984 here:

[url= http://tinyurl.com/pdxvzd5 ]Herald 1984 link[/url]

And lets face it JC has always been clear he is pro a united Ireland so it smacks of approving of the IRA's methods.

'Course it does, yes. 😆

Timing and context is everything that photo with Gerry Adams and Prince Charles was after a long period of peace

A peace that would never have happened if people were not willing to put behind them past hatred and enter into conversation and compromise to save many many lives.

It is a great shame that some people still cling onto that hatred, and use it in pathetic attempts to smear. It reveals far more about them than it does about Jeremy Corbyn.

dragon - Member

However JC inviting convicted IRA bombers to the house of commons

Gerry Adams was not then, and is not now, a convicted IRA bomber.

He was, and still is, an elected politician.

Gerry Adams was not then, and is not now, a convicted IRA bomber.

He was, and still is, an elected politician, who covered up not only his own brothers paedophilia, but that of other IRA members as well

Added for JHJ

I never said Gerry Adams was, but in 1984 just after the Brighton bombing JC did invite two convicted IRA members, see the Herald link above.

I don't know why - but I hazard a guess neither do you.

And that's my point! I'm not the one drawing spurious conclusions from it!

Added for JHJ

No it wasn't "Added for JHJ".

It was added because like all ranting right-wingers you can't manage much more than pathetic cheap shots.

When your politics is morally and intellectually bankrupt that's all that you have left.

A peace that would never have happened if people were not willing to put behind them past hatred and enter into conversation and compromise to save many many lives.

It is a great shame that some people still cling onto that hatred, and use it in pathetic attempts to smear. It reveals far more about them than it does about Jeremy Corbyn.

this^^^^

I never said Gerry Adams was

But the suggestion was very clear.

JC did invite two convicted IRA members

Presumably they weren't arrested? So your problem appears to that Corbyn was talking to convicted IRA members before it became fashionable to do so?

And I can't read Herald link, what did the former IRA members have to say - did they regret their past activities? What was their conviction for? How much time did they serve?

It was added because like all ranting right-wingers you can't manage much more than pathetic cheap shots.

its a cheap shot that St Gerry of Adams covered for nonces?

I suppose its also a cheap shot to mention Jean McConville as well?

When your politics is morally and intellectually bankrupt that's all that you have left.

Thats right, Gerry adams has a woman abducted and murdered, and its [b]my[/b] politics that are morally and intellectually bankrupt 😆

dragon - Member
And lets face it JC has always been clear he is pro a united Ireland so it smacks of approving of the IRA's methods.

jambalaya - Member

@dd I am very glad there was a peace signed in Ireland, why on earth would you try to represent otherwise, I've too may friends who've shared stories with me about their lives in the North during the troubles, Corbyn and[b] McDonald[/b] contributed ZERO to this process, what they did is classic looney protest politic

People here may not agree with what I have to say but it's generally well researched from public and private sources.

Ninfan - Member
I suppose its also a cheap shot to mention Jean McConville as well?

Or at least rulers of the country where virtually all the 9/11 bombers came from,!

sounds like it

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/18/saudi-prisoner-arrested-at-age-17-faces-death-by-c/

sounds like it

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/crucifixion-teenager-saudi-arabia-highlights-britains-business-deals-despots-1520127

Eeer.... yeah. Sorry.

So if I fill my car up at the petrol station am I funding terrorism?

Quite possibly yes.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia have ignited a "time bomb" by funding the global spread of radical Islam, according to a former commander of British forces in Iraq.

General Jonathan Shaw, who retired as Assistant Chief of the Defence Staff in 2012, told The Telegraph that Qatar and Saudi Arabia were primarily responsible for the rise of the extremist Islam that inspires Isil terrorists.

The two Gulf states have spent billions of dollars on promoting a militant and proselytising interpretation of their faith derived from Abdul Wahhab, an eighteenth century scholar, and based on the Salaf, or the original followers of the Prophet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11140860/Qatar-and-Saudi-Arabia-have-ignited-time-bomb-by-funding-global-spread-of-radical-Islam.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

JC supports a united Ireland that is a fact.

Kinnock and the Labour whip at the time ('84) had major issues with JC inviting convicted IRA to the commons, especially with the timing being so close after the Brighton bombing. As far as I can ascertain the two he invited never showed any remorse for their or the IRA's activities.

I actually don't have a problem with him talking to Gerry Adams, as getting him onside was essential to the process. I do take issue with the JC's inability to condemn the IRA's actions and holding a minutes silence for 8 IRA members killed in 1987.

dragon - Member
inability to condemn the IRA's actions and holding a minutes silence for 8 IRA members killed in 1987.

I fail to see a major difference myself.

@bigbutt It's close enough, in the same way Schengen was misspelled, if he last more than a few months I imagine I'll learn to spell his name.

Let's be clear Corbyn had absolutely nothing at all to do with achieving peace in Northern Ireland. His stance after the Brighton bombing was down more to his determination to reinforce his extreme left wing credentials amongst his supporters following the muder and attended murder of senior Conservatives. Whilst Corbyn may have been in favour of a unified Ireland very many residents of Northern Ireland where not.

I see the shadow defence secretary who's just been appointed by Corbyn has called on him to clarify his position on the Stop the War poem whilst at the same time distancing himself from the hateful remarks.

yeah jamby, if only the labour party had tried the Israeli way to end the troubles....

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I'm willing to bet you'll happily commorate british war dead and fail to condemn their actions.

I certainly don't think the British army are saints and if it was known that a specific person, group, regiment etc. committed an appalling act then I would condemn them.

Moving on did anyone hear the Radio 4 interview with Alistair Darling last week? Wow, boy does he not like JC. It was a really interesting insight into the Labour party and how the MP's aren't impressed by JC nor trust him. Darling was happy to discuss in a calm, clear manner and without the usual hyperbole that gets printed in the press.