Jeremy Corbyn

Ha - it just seemed like each scene was designed to fall flat.
Watch it a second time thinking that it's a hatchet job and you'll see what I mean. The soundtrack early on plays a doom-laden note over his victory for example.

That comment at the beginning about voting for Jeremy was deliberately meant to reframe what you were watching into thinking that this was Jeremy in his best light.

Common lies were repeated - that the £3 voters 'swept him into office'.

As is common for the press, it completely avoids talking about policy and looks for the controversy instead.

That's not to say that I liked what I saw though - I didn't. But it's hard to know whether they deliberately chose the least confidence-inspiring scenes.

After this week's revelations about Captain America, this is not so much of a shock, especially since we have been forewarned of his anti semetic tendencies by jambs

http://newsthump.com/2016/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-unmasked-as-hydra-agent/

alex is correct I tried really hard to watch to the end- lots of times I wanted to just give up as about every few minutes there was a pretty clear dig. At 25 mins you get cameron having a pop about anti semitism terrorist sympathiser then it cuts out before Corbyn actually replies- its pretty blatant editing IMHO

Even the intro is designed to make him sound inexperienced and with no expertise who "took over". The bit where he said he votes for him- about 2 mins in

" we were looking for a new kind of politics but from the outside it looks like nothing has changed"

Did he join the party to get access and to say that or was he a lifelong member?

It was interesting on some levels as clearly corbyn does not get the media savvy shallow nature of UK politics and he really struggles with the spin and presentation of it all.
He does seem to have a natural bonhomie with individuals

Hatchet job trying to pretend not to be a hatchet job IMHO

@Alex and @Junky interesting thanks. Corbyn was undoubtably supported by new members and £3 (not members) votes - you could interpret the journalist as trying to say something positive. If I remember correctly from that PMQ's Corbyn didn't really say anything in responce he stuck to his original question. Cameron went on to make the same demand/request a number of times as Corbyn wasn't responding. Corbyn can't deliver a "new kind of politics" particularly in just a few months and not least as he's the opposition so can't do anything really. You have to win an election to change anything

I posted the video as I thought it was interesting. Corbyn does really need to back off the BBC criticism though, he just looks daft.

Armando Iannuci couldn't have scripted some of that

Though I think we know how the PMQ attack lines got leaked:

Corbyn does really need to back off the BBC criticism though, he just looks daft.

The media is out to get him and none more so than the intellectual left leaning intelligentsia - see also the guardian

they hate him more than I hate blair
I tend to agree a lefty like him/me wont win an general election bit lets ee]]That said the media really is out to get him - hence the "anti semitism smear " - what did corbyn call it in the link?
- labour has a problem with anti semitism under corbyn utterly disgusting subliminal nastiness- he seems to be obsessed with me

actually watch the minute from 3 30 on - its pretending to be praise but its all digs

Ah, the "right wing media" problem again 😆

The BBC is about as anti-Corbyn as they are pro-Trump - it's not their fault he is stumbling around like a clown in a minefield.

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Much of fhe left is against Corbyn as they see him condeming them to another 5 years of oppostion from 2020-25 whether he's leader by then or not. He's so weak on so many issues and his party so divided its obvious its going to get reported by the BBC. He likes chatting to the party faithful who in turn like him very much. That however will not win a general election.

Secondly How would you know if you were offline

Junky I missed this earlier .. I know as when I got back online I read through some old threads to catch up, it was liks I had never been away.

it was liks I had never been away.

To be honest I never missed you.

How long were you away for?

2 months in Asia (Jan-Feb) and a month in the Alps(March) only offline for a few weeks though quite a bit of wifi even in Laos

offline for a few weeks

Gosh. Still when you got back you managed to catch up by going through the old threads, there's dedication for you. I can't be arsed to see what I've missed if I've not looked for a day or two.

jambalaya - Member
2 months in Asia (Jan-Feb) and a month in the Alps(March) only offline for a few weeks though quite a bit of wifi even in Laos

You, and thm, really do try too hard at it...

I still have my suspicions you both are the same person btw! 😆

TBH I don't think he's wrong regarding bias. For example, Sadiq Khan and Corbyn both made the same comment, using almost exactly the same words, calling for a united party. The BBC reported that Khan was demanding unity, while Corbyn was pleading. A very cheap but insidious tactic used widely in the media- one side of an argument states or clarifies, the other insists or claims, is a classic (be warned, once you've started noticing this, you can't stop). And Khan's comments were inexplicably depicted as a criticism of Corbyn. Another I remember, they described him as "no fan of defence" for not wanting to attack Syria. An unsubtle twist, that.

And his comment that the BBC narrative was "Corbyn's going to lose" before the local elections seems to be a simple statement of fact- and when Labour performed so much better than the BBC predicted, they reported it as "swerving universal disaster".

Nick Robinson says he's been shocked at how the BBC has rubbished Corbyn. But I'm sure he's a lefty and BBC hater, right?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/paranoid-terrorist-loving-dickhead-lunatic-imagines-media-is-against-him-20160602109232

Jeremy Corbyn was reached for comment, but his reply is not published because nobody wants to hear his sickening lies.

Listened to his speech this morning. it's done nothing to dissuade me that he's playing a very dangerous game on the referendum. Either he really doesn't believe his own words on staying in, or he's being uber-cautious on not repeating the mistakes of the scottish referendum. Both I suspect. Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.

Either he really doesn't believe his own words on staying in

Surely if that was the case, he would have written articles saying that we should leave the EU in the past? Unless of course he's deleted them all...

Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.

He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.

Its hard to say if hes fully committed

but i definitely think that hes aware of the damage saving Cameron's bacon in the last referendum did to labour, with those who were once core voters

5thElefant - Member

Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.

He wants an out vote. Always has.

He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.

JC(not Jesus Christ) would gain more respect if he has stuck to his real feeling of Vote OUT, coz that is what he was in his "younger" years.

Instead he sold his soul like most politicians do in exchange for power and position, so where is this principle of his he is talking about?

At least we know our current PM is spineless and toast on his way out to be big earner future conference motivation speaker ...

Ya, told you ALL politicians would sell their soul for a bob or two. Ya, principle my foot ...

Question is ... do we/you have two "leaders" that cannot stand their grounds? Are we/you screwed?

@ernie I would agree I spend far too much time on STW chat threads.

@seaso bit of work and day to living in Asia is much cheaper than here in Europe, accomodation is $5 a day or staying with mates for free. I acknowledge 4 days in Zermatt for wedding anniversary wasn't cheap but friends in Verbier put us up for free, quid-pro-quo for when they stay with us in London. Will be doing same again in August.

@dazh what I do admire Corbyn for is he cannot hide his true feelings, he's a bad liar. He does not believe in Remain or the EU but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.

but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.

Surely that makes the hypocrisy worse, given his stand on Trident?

As Marx said: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.

Apart from you risk becoming an irrelevance.

Anyway my gut is the stay in vote will win the referendum by a decent amount, with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.

with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.

Interesting thought - Cameron becomes the bloke who took on the 'bastards', Corbyn left looking mealy mouthed and ineffective.

dragon - Member
Anyway my gut is the stay in vote will win the referendum by a decent amount, with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.

kimbers - Member

but i definitely think that hes aware of the damage saving Cameron's bacon in the last referendum did to labour, with those who were once core voters

TBH though, with the Remain campaign being so totally wedded to Project Fear and hysteria, there's a huge amount of room for other parties to operate in other areas. Exactly what the SNP have been doing in fact.

Corbyn's personal stance seems a bit like mine tbh. He's obviously not pro EU. But you don't have to be pro EU, to be against exit, at this point in time, lots of people are choosing their least bad option. So you end up believing that Remain is the right choice even though you don't want it to be. Nothing wrong with that but it's kind of hard to be impassioned about it, and your level of conviction will always seem lacking beside the absolutists and fervoured.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Nuance? Get out!

Exactly what the SNP have been doing in fact.

Then again 5% of UKIP voters are voting stay - they really are a very stupid bunch aren't they

Then again 5% of UKIP voters are voting stay - they really are a very stupid bunch aren't they

I agreed with most of the LeftLeave material @ernie posted

ninfan - Member
but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.
Surely that makes the hypocrisy worse, given his stand on Trident?
As Marx said: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others

What's it called when Boris does it? Or is that better because no-one could ever think he's got principles?

I agreed with most of the LeftLeave material @ernie posted

No you don't ! 😆

Btw my name isn't @ernie.

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RE : Corbyn's EU stance. I am a fervent supporter of democratic centralism, it is vital in any democratic organisation. It guarantees democracy and unity.

I will happily campaign for policies which I have previously opposed, understanding as I do both the supremacy and virtue of democracy.

However democratic centralism requires the fullest level of democratic debate and the fullest level of participation.

There has been no democratic debate within the Labour Party with regards to the EU.

Since the hard right seized power democratic debate has become a distant memory.

I am sure that Corbyn's present position on the EU is based on his belief that as leader he must take a stance which reflects the general consensus and maintains the highest level of party unity.

To a degree I respect him on that, but I believe he is wrong. EU membership does not imo serve the interests of ordinary working people, and his EU stance makes a mockery of his alleged commitment to fight austerity, privatisation, corporatocracy, neoliberalism, and western adventurism.

As the Labour Party once stated, back in the day when it engaged in democratic debate :

[i][b]"The next Labour government, committed to radical, socialist policies for reviving the British economy, is bound to find continued membership a most serious obstacle to the fulfilment of those policies".
[/i][/b]
He needs to focus on the democratisation of the Labour Party, something which he hasn't even began to tackle.

And have the debate......if the case for continued EU membership is so strong then the pro-EUers will win the argument. Although it's obviously too late for the coming referendum.

Junkyard - lazarus

1/3 of SNP voters will be voting leave

Yup, exactly- and they'll most probably vote SNP and Leave without having their heads explode with paradox. There's plenty of scope to campaign on the same side as political enemies, and to run a campaign for something without alienating those who're against.

Then again, a lot of people have fallen for the whole "Scottish Labour paid the price for campaigning alongside the Tories" bullshit, and while I'm not quite sure if Scottish Labour themselves believe it, they certainly do like to use it as an excuse. So it's entirely possible that it's something Corbyn believes or has been advised is true.

Since the [b]hard right [/b]seized power democratic debate has become a distant memory

@kingofcomedy

Because of course there's only a hard left. It must be true because the press tells us.

Amusing that you managed to quote from the suicide note Ernie - I think the public offered their opinion on that.

[i]"back in the day when it engaged in democratic debate"[/i] - you mean like when Foot vetoed Peter Tatchell as a Labour candidate?

Who would you define as hard right then? Kinnock?

You seem to have forgotten that it was the 'hard right' who had spent years calling for OMOV, against the power of the union block vote, that in the end Labour only adopted in '93.

I suppose you're now going to claim that one man one vote was some sort of low point in Labour party democracy 😆

Pretty much says it all doesn't it labrat/Z-11/ninfan, you of all people, who is on the far-right fringes of the Tory Party and indisputably hates the Labour Party, defends the Blairite reinvention of the Labour Party.

I rest my case.

I hate the party so much that I voted for them in '97?

See - I'm living proof of the theory that the Labour Party can, and will, only win general elections from the centre ground.

Keep going - you're making my case even stronger.

It is very clear from what you post on this forum that you support the far-right fringe of the Tory Party, if not indeed UKIP.

Your guru, whose virtues you extol and whose book you say we should all read, is Dan Hannan - the man who hates the NHS and tells lies about it to Fox TV.

Let's remind ourselves :

So you think you share the same political views as Tony Blair? And that your political views are "centre ground" ?

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EDIT : Btw can you provide any links to some of your posts where you sing the praises of the Labour Party, you know, when it was in the hands of the Blairite "centre ground"? Obvious it will be when you were posting as labrat or Zulu-eleven 😆

So you think you share the same political views as Tony Blair? And that your political views are "centre ground" ?

No

But thats the point - you can't win a general election by only attracting support from those who share the same political views as you...

As I posted before @ninfan and I both voted Labour in '97 - winning your safe seats by a bigger margin will not win a GE, you have to have a broader appeal. Labour have to appeal to aspirational voters and that doesn't mean those that want higher welfare payments 😉

1/3 of SNP voters will be voting leave

The Labour Party should attract the sort of people who greatly admire Dan Hannan - the man who is so right-wing that he tells the American people on US national television that the British NHS is a "failed experiment" which makes people "iller" ?

😆

Oh I think my sides are starting to hurt !

**** me i never realised just how right wing Blair was till now

Maybe they are listening to Sturgeon who has said there will be another Indy referendum if Leave wins

You were no closer to correct than usual

As I posted before @ninfan and I both voted Labour in '97

Oh just when I thought it couldn't get any better it just did..........jambalaya supported Blair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly ernie the NHS is not a success. It was a great idea at the time but its not fit for purpose in today's world. There is a very good reason no one does it like us. Did you see the Referendum news piece from retirees in Spain, openly saying the health system there was better which was one reason they live there.

Not this again Jamby the facts dont support your view
You have to be trolling on here the way you just keep saying this stuff
I prefer you when you contradict your own argument rather than just keep re hashing ideas that you have recently had torn apart on the forum by everyone.

You and facts eh not even distant cousins that met just the once.

Shame that you voted for Kahn then Ernie:

[i]"My point is this. I want a big tent, you know, whether you're a Conservative trying to be the mayor of London, or a Labour Party trying to form the next government, we've got to speak to everyone. There's no point in us just speaking to Labour voters, our core vote."[/i]

Sadly ernie the NHS is not a success. It was a great idea at the time but its not fit for purpose in today's world.

Yes yes, no need to make the point.......it's patently obvious that you are as right-wing as ninfan and his guru Dan Hannan.

So you think Tony Blair was great then? As impressive as Dan Hannan?

You lot really fascinate me coz trusting politician is such a foreign concept to me. 😆

In the far east the 1st rule of being a voter is - Never trust politicians coz they will (all of them) sell you off like little piggies to the highest bidders.

As we say in the far east there is No saint in politician but lesser evil. 😆

I was thinking all we need now is for Chewwy to turn up and declare how in 1997 he voted for Blair too. That would really would have made my day. But sadly not so 🙁

So what was it, ninfan and jambalaya, that made you think Tony Blair was closer to you politically than John Major?

Saying the NHS isn't a success makes me want to kick you up the arse with the leg the NHS rebuilt, to demonstrate their fine and lifechanging workmanship.

I'd love to knee you up the arse with the two knees the NHS replaced the ACL in but I can't and you might die waiting (NHS don"t want to do it at all as I am over 50 never mind "wait list issues").The NHS is pretty good at start of life and critical care (inc coming in withna seriously broken leg) but look at the spending per head vs other countries and its impossible to claim we have a world class health service, its massively underfunded and it has been for 30+ years.

Ernie Blair did a decent enough job, lost his way after first 5 or 6 years as most PM etc do, too much focus on "legacy" and ego and not enough getting on with the job.

Ernie Blair did a decent enough job, lost his way after first 5 or 6 years....

Let me get this right...... for the first half of Blair's premiership, you, jambalaya, were a Labour voter? (I can't believe I just wrote that)

So what happened.......he abandoned the "centre ground"?

Did he go all "lefty" ?

EDIT : When did you stop being a Labour voter ninfan? Btw where's these links to your posts when you were a Labour supporter? I can't remember seeing any of them, I assume it was when you posting as labrat?

but look at the spending per head

It's 19th (2014). I don't really think that number alone tells ye much though. or that you can generalise about a whole health care system(that to me is just ridiculous).

btw the country you were bigging up in the last page, spain, was 26th.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP?order=wbapi_data_value_2014+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

Pre-hack Ernie, all lost - I've always been open about having voted Blair in '97, despite disagreeing on several policies (but supporting others). Largely because I believe in pragmatism rather than dogma.

jambalaya - Member

look at the spending per head vs other countries and its impossible to claim we have a world class health service

...as long as you think you can measure health service quality by how expensive it is. Which is mad.

ninfan - Member

Pre-hack Ernie, all lost

Oh what a shame, I was so looking forward to seeing posts from labrat, one of the right-wing posters on STW, arguing in favour, and defending, the Labour Party.

So when did you stop being a Labour voter ninfan - when Tony Blair resigned and they abandoned the "centre ground", ie, when Gordon Brown became leader in 2007?

If so how different to you think Tony Blair was politically to his chancellor Gordon Brown, and if the difference was significant why do you think Blair chose someone so "left-wing" and far away from the "centre ground", which you say is so important to you, to implement his economic policies?

Don't be shy, don't be reticent, tell us about labrat/Z-11/ninfan the Labour voter, I'm absolutely fascinated!

look at the spending per head vs other countries and its impossible to claim we have a world class health service, its massively underfunded and it has been for 30+ years.

Non sequitur - that isn't how we measure health outcomes - ie money spent. Why have you said that its beyond belief that you have not realised this is not the best method of measuring efficacy.

Underfunded does not equal NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE - which was your initial claim.

Only missed an appeal to your own authority there.

I believe in pragmatism rather than dogma.

but look at the spending per head vs other countries and its impossible to claim we have a world class health service, its massively underfunded and it has been for 30+ years.

Ah, so you're offering to pay more tax. Jolly good.

So the Labour Party won the Tooting by-election yesterday.

What happened to the predication of electoral annihilation should Jeremy Corbyn become leader of the party from Jamby, the Blairites, Daily Telegraph readers, Guardian editorial writers, and any dodgy political pundit the BBC could manage to drag into their studios ?

Tooting was a very winnable marginal seat for the Tories, Labour's majority was less than 3,000. The Tories should have romped home and provided sensational headlines which declared that Corbyn was the kiss of death for Labour.

Instead no one seems to want to talk about it. Where's the quote from Tony Blair? IIRC he had an opinion about the consequences of Corbyn being leader. Buried under bad news maybe?

And not only did Labour win Tooting yesterday but it gets worse for the right-wing purveyors of doom and gloom, the Labour candidate received more than half the total votes - [u]the best result for Labour in over 15 years[/u]. Tooting is now no longer a marginal seat.

But wait, it gets even worse for the Blairites.

Sadiq Khan by the time of the last general election was a well-known fairly high profile Labour MP. In contrast the Polish-****stani junior doctor who stood for Labour in Tooting yesterday was practically unknown. And yet she did much better than Sadiq Khan did in all his Tooting parliamentary elections.

It is very obvious that this wasn't a personal vote for her but a clear vote for the Labour Party. A Labour Party led by Corbyn.

Whatever people think of Corbyn he doesn't seem to be having a very negative effect on Labour's electoral chances. Well nowhere near as devastating as right-wingers informed us, with complete 100 percent certainty, that he would have.

I don't know who to believe anymore.

You lot really fascinate me coz trusting politician is such a foreign concept to me.

Its all going to go swimmingly until after the referendum

just like with Scotland, Tory mismanagement means that they need labour voters to save the Union (this time with Europe)

but this time I dont think theyll save the vote, with the majority of labour voters blaming immigration for their woes, its gonna be a clusterfk,
Borris PM, Farige in the HoL, Gove and IDS at the front

I really hope thats not the case but Im not holding up much hope for this country at the moment

jamby will be along in a minute with THM to explain it all to us

I did note the resounding victory yesterday and forgot about this thread

Will a new Tory top team mean a call for a G.E?

Maybe Labour would want to leave them in place for a bit if there is to be a post Brexit melt down.

Labour election performance in Scotland and Wales is your guide not Tooting which is a Labour strong hold - I know it well have grown up there in a council house. Also its very rare for by-elections to swing towards a party in power. Anyway go Jezza go, long may be continue he's been a great help to vote Leave with his leadership campaign debate remarks about the EU, his subsequent volta-face and tepid endorsement of "Remain". Looking forward to the public self flagulation over Chilcott and we have Shakri's report to come too - frank investigation with honest results or cover-up ? Time to show some leadership Mr Corbyn

Will a new Tory top team mean a call for a G.E?

A call ? Yes I am sure from Labour, SNP etc. There will be a GE if Parliament passes a motion of no confidence, that I doubt but its possible and the Tory majority will only call one if they think its in their interests so be careful what you wish for. We have fixed term Parliaments now. In this country we do not vote for a specific President as they do in the US or France, we vote for a party which then forms a Government and decides who will be in Number 10

Yes from a tactical standpoint it may be better to leave the Tories in charge over the post Brexit peirod and likely Greek default tsunami. Then they can say "look at the mess the Tories have made", might be their best chance

Waaaahhh... Call a referendum on the EU and sacrifice the economy.. Anything, ANYTHING to stop the socialists

Greedy perverts

with the majority of labour voters blaming immigration for their woes

That'll be the Labour voters who yesterday elected a Polish-****stani MP.

jambalaya - Member

Tooting which is a Labour strong hold

Why do you do this Jamba?

Seriously, why do make stuff up which with the power of google and 3 seconds to spare anyone can refute?

Type "tooting marginal" and do a google news search. You will get 530 results. Try it.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

Ah, so you're offering to pay more tax. Jolly good.

@ransos we've had this conversation many times on here. Be in no doubt I'd be happy to support a tax system which provided world class class schools, healthcare, welfare and a military. We need to have a grown-up debate in this country as [b]NONE[/b] of the current parties Tory, LibDem, Labour or Greens (or indeed SNP, etc) are anywhere close to any such proposals. Just look at the rest of Europe which has had 20% VAT for years and VAT of 5-10% on food in Germany tye tax burden on hoisehold utilities is 48% not the 5% we have in the UK.

As I said it needs fo be a grown-up discussion and the EU Referendum shows how ready we are for that.

And he ignores my question.

From the FT :

[i]"Tooting has witnessed sweeping gentrification that has transformed a once-working-class area popular with many immigrants. The seat also takes in Tory-leaning parts of Wandsworth and Battersea.

While it was once a safe Labour seat, it has gradually become a marginal and was a target for the Conservatives in 2015".[/i]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0f851a12-345f-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html#axzz4BpcXnUhr

So a target seat for the Tories then.

What went wrong ?

EDIT : With Labour receiving over 50% of the vote, as from yesterday, it is now no longer a marginal. It has become a fairly safe Labour seat.

Tooting has never been won by any party other than Labour. Never

So Ernie, you've successfully shown that corbyn is popular with the "aspiring to Islington" left wing London set. Isn't that what we've all been saying for months?

Tooting has never been won by any party other than Labour.

Yes and that isn't going to change any time soon.

Why?

The Tories targeted it in 2015 What's happened ?

The only thing I can think which different to 2015 is that Jeremy Corbyn is now leader of the Labour Party. Wasn't that suppose to help the Tories ?

Can you explain ?

So Ernie, you've successfully shown that corbyn is popular with the "aspiring to Islington" left wing London set. Isn't that what we've all been saying for months?

Let me get this right.

Under Corbyn's leadership Labour won the Oldham West and Royton by-election with a 7% increased vote because it is a solid working-class seat.

And then yesterday under Corbyn's leadership Labour won Tooting with a 9% increased vote because it is a middle-class seat.

And this still proves that Labour is unelectable with Corbyn as their leader ?

I didn't realise that this is "what we've all been saying for months".

Every day's a school day, as they say.

By-election ernie. Anyway as I said rock on JC

I see. So if Labour win all the by-elections between now and the next general election you will still be predicting electoral meltdown for Labour next GE.

I have no idea what the result of the next general election will be, but I'm pleased for you that you still think that it'll be like a walk in the park for the Tories.

Tooting has never been won by any party other than Labour. Never

And they've just had their best result since 1997.

Labour did as well in Tooting yesterday under Coryn's leadership as they did in 1997 when Blair was leader and at the height of his popularity?

I didn't know that.

Blair won't be pleased when he finds out.

Labour win all the by-elections between now and the next general election you will still be predicting electoral meltdown for Labour next GE

What nonsense, sitting governments hardly ever win by elections. In fact its been decades since a sitting government took a seat off the opposition at a by election.

But I thought it was all different now - doesn't Corbyn becoming leader mean that Labour are now unelectable?

In the Mitcham and Morden by-election of 1982 the Tories won the seat from Labour despite being in government. I thought Corbyn being leader meant that Labour had gone back to the 1980s? That's what Blair, Guardian editorial writers, and any dodgy political pundit the BBC could manage to drag into their studios said.

Still, I'm glad you are also predicting that Labour will win all the by-elections between now and the next general election ninfan, presumably all with increased majorities?

Terrible news for Labour.