Jeremy Corbyn

As I have posted before my parents are staunch Labour supporters and they where glad to see the miners defeated after years of power cuts due to strikes.

The power strikes were a decade before their defeat and there were none in that decade
The three day week lasted three months on 1974 oh what is the point of this its not like jamby needs accurate facts for his opinions, nor apparently for the claimed opinion of his parents.

Bloody hell Harriet, did you not hear your leader's rallying call yesterday?

Time to stop snipping and back your man - he has the mandate after all.

It sounds to me like she just repeated what Jeremy said yesterday and the press have decided that's an "attack on jc".
Just the usual.

"Those who seek to blame the demise of coal on Ernie's poster girl show an astonishing lack of historical understanding."

To be fair to them its the narrative most of us have grown up with.

Until I looked at the numbers I thought the same.

Bloody media bias !!! 😉

"Bloody media bias !!!"

"Flat Earth News" is worth a read.

TBH a lot of the grievance is about how the decline was managed, or rather not. But I'm never sure how far that's a wee retcon; my uncle blamed thatcher for closing his pit for years but then later on once other pits closed down he stopped that and just blamed her for throwing the towns on the scraphead. Don't think he's wrong, in that, but it's not what he was angry about at the time.

TBH a lot of the grievance is about how the decline was managed, or rather not.

Orgreave, anyone?

Go and read Crossman's diares for the arguments that the Labour Party were having through the 60s (eg Brown v Callaghan) in terms of how to come to terms with the death spiral that the industry was in

Hark back to the fifties and you can witness the Labour Party turning somersaults over unilateral disarmament and whether the PLP or membership ought to pick the leader, ongoing arguments over collective responsibility/party discipline versus conscience based dissent, and the nature of policy making - none of which were ever fully resolved, resulting in the mess we see today.

responsibility/party discipline versus conscience based dissent, and the nature of policy making - none of which were ever fully resolved, resulting in the mess we see today.

Yes that's a uniquely labour party thing isn't it. 🙄

teamhurtmore - Member

Those who seek to blame the demise of coal on Ernie's poster girl ......

THM you are so bad at this sort of stuff that I cringe in embarrassment on your behalf. Truly.

I'm only mentioning it because I feel a moral obligation to those less advantaged.

And in the hope that you might spare me this vicarious embarrassment in the future.

Its ok Ernie, don't feel so ashamed. We are here to help you through it.

First step is acceptance....take it steadily though, its a big step. Plenty of deep breaths. Maybe start by deleting (or posting) one photo at a time.

Might be advisable to delete the Neil Hamilton collection a bit faster though. That really is too much (although perhaps the passing resemblance of his missus to your poster girl in your latest Welsh UKIP post might explain that one too).

Well I see that Tony Blair appears to have dramatically shifted his opinions concerning what a Corbyn leadership might mean for Labour.

9 months ago Tony Blair told us :

[i][b] "If Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader it won't be a defeat like 1983 or 2015 at the next election. It will mean rout, possibly annihilation." [/i][/b]

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33896414 ]Labour risks 'annihilation' if Jeremy Corbyn is leader - Tony Blair[/url]

But now he tells us :

[i][b]"Let us say it is not yet a proven concept that Corbynism can win an election".[/i][/b]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/24/tony-blair-questions-whether-jeremy-corbyn-can-win-an-election ]Tony Blair questions whether Jeremy Corbyn can win an election[/url]

So he's gone from talking about possible "annihilation", worse than 1983, which sounds rather serious, to he's not sure if Labour can win under Corbyn's leadership.

I wonder if he still thinks that Labour would be much more certain to win under the leadership of Liz Kendall?

To think that daft sycophants pay a lot of money to listen to this warmongering liar, who is responsible for the worse foreign policy blunder in modern British history, talk.

See, now Thatchers dead, the Lefties still need someone to blame for all their problems 😆

😐

You think that Chilcot will exonerate Tony Blair then ninfan ?

Or are saying that Chilcot is a "leftie" who will blame Blair ?

What is it exactly you're saying ?

Or perhaps more to the point - do you actually even know what you're saying ?

Polls, anyone?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-would-make-a-better-prime-minister-than-george-osborne-public-now-believe-a6984436.html

who is responsible for the worse foreign policy blunder in modern British history

Hahaha.. now I'm no Blair fan but he's up against some pretty spectacular competition for that particular accolade!

You think that Chilcot will exonerate Tony Blair then ninfan ?

Or are saying that Chilcot is a "leftie" who will blame Blair ?

What is it exactly you're saying ?

That despite knowing this, the Labour party were happy to keep him as their leader, and the left kept voting for him. They only disowned him after he quit, then pronounced "A big boy did it and ran away"

the Labour party were happy to keep him as their leader, and the left kept voting for him

But you rightwing nutjobs always go on about how Corbyn et al were serial rebels. Which is it?

Blair is just trying a different approach. Corbyn is supposedly as popular as ever amongst Labour supporters despite Labour finishing third to the Tories in Scotland and losing their majority in Wales and Corbyn was asked not to campaign there.

I don't recall Corbyn or any of the fellow travellers launching a leadership challenge against Blair over Iraq. Not so rebellious as to do anything about it then, were they?

So let me get this right ninfan........it's only the left who blame Blair?

If the Chilcot Report is damning it'll only be because Chilcot is a "leftie" ?

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molgrips - Member

now I'm no Blair fan but he's up against some pretty spectacular competition for that particular accolade!

Absolutely. Yet despite the stiff competition Blair clearly wins. What he did was far worse than the Suez blunder. Look how people have to live the consequences of his actions (putting aside the dead ones).

Keep fighting the fight Ernie, go get 'em cowboy.

his actions

256 Labour MP's voted for the declaration of war, 85 against - Blair don't do anything on his own.

Jezza - i had almost forgotten about him as he has been so quiet on Europe!

Still unlike the fallen-one, he is seemingly a man of principle (sic) and will be calling for the former to be prosecuted for war crimes post Chilcott fingering.

Given this context, the relaxed mood of the fallen one seems a little out-of-kilter.

Ernie - how come you rarely post any piccies of [b]these[/b] guys? Are they not your type?

Thanks enfht - I appreciate your support. Specially from someone whose profound thoughts contribute so much. Cheers mate.

Blair don't do anything on his own.

True he needed tory votes to win the vote

err:

256 Labour MP's voted for the declaration of war, 85 against

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Edited coz JY edited.

I thought you were better at counting than you were at debating

Forgive me.

How the Tories voted was what decided it as he lost his parliamentary majority due to rebels. Its not possible to argue otherwise [ I assume you can count ] but I feel certain you will give it a damn good go.

I think what ninfan means to say is that it's all the fault of leftwingers such as Corbyn that rightwingers so enthusiastically supported Tony Blair.

But I could be wrong......... I reckon ninfan doesn't really think through what he's saying so he's probably not too sure himself what he means.

Blair did organise the dodgy dossier on his own.

He called the vote before Blix had finished his work.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36401105 ]Tony Blair: Corbyn in power would be a 'dangerous experiment'[/url]

So why hasn't Tony Blair's expulsion from the Labour Party been announced yet ?

Any member of the Labour Party who works against Labour electoral victory can expect automatic expulsion.

I really can't believe Tony Blair is so special that he can do or say whatever he fancies. Although obviously he thinks so.

On the contrary @ernie Blair is trying to make Labour electable, he is quite within his rights to point out that Labour are going in the wrong direction getting further away from that goal. The Chilcot report is likely to produce an unprecidented amount of self flagulation which the Tories will just stand back and watch from the sidelines.

The anti-semitism issue is far from resolved and imo Corbyn has been cynical and devious in the extreme in trying to bury it

Vice News are doing a piece on him, here's the trailer released a couple of days ago. Looks very interesting as are all their pieces

Saying that Corbyn as prime minister would be a dangerous experiment isn't making Labour "electable".

He concern appears to be that Labour under Corbyn might win a general election.

Or what do you think he meant by "Corbyn in power" ?

I did think it was interesting talking about him in power as I can't ever see that happening - Corbyn has kead Labour to third place in Scotland and seen their Welsh majority lost. Blair is right to point out that Corbyn's policies (populist he calls thdm) won't work. Given the amount of mud thrown at Blair by Corbyn its hardly surprising he's getting some back.

Blair like the majority of senior Labour figures believe Corbyn is very bad for the party and its chances of winning an election. So to be electable he has to go

Which of Corbyn's policies won't work?

The Corbyn has kneed labour to 3rd place in Scotland point is utterly false. The SNP have effectively occupied labours ground in terms of policies with the added value of either nationalism or national pride . The SNPs success is in fact a homage to the policies Corbyn promotes in the labour party and proof of their popularity with many voters.

...and then they implement Tory ones. You couldn't make it up....

Had to check the date today when reading the news, but no it's not 1 April. So the new dream team is going to be Jezza and Ed, with the latter being bought in as a big hitter and to prevent a leadership bid.

What is wrong with politicians - is there something in the Westminster water? Do they not learn from past mistakes?

The Tories will be in the ropes after June 23 and Labour are farting about.

"C'mon Tim" it might just be time for the Phoenix (is that the LD symbol) to rise from the coalition/tuition fee ashes....

What a bloody mess politics is right now and only going to get worse with Trump or Clinton

...and then they implement Tory ones. You couldn't make it up....

EDIT: Ooops nearly forgot THM

^^^^^ 😆 See its dead grown up this innit 🙄

The anti-semitism issue is far from resolved

Discussing this issue with you is futile...If i was to say , as you do about Muslims , that Jews dont need to obey the law and they are the biggest threat to europe as you you would be raging , rightly, about racism...... Heal yourself and stop projecting on to others.

jambalaya - Member
Corbyn has kead Labour to third place in Scotland

Which of Corbyn's policies won't work?

Where do we start ? I didn't bother to comment a few weeks ago on his "new economics" speech. We can start with that, ie pretty much all lf it. My dream would be Corbyn gets to put his polcies to the electorate as the leader of the Labour Party at the 2020 General Election. Had I paid my £3 and voted for him as Leader (I saved my money as the election wasn't going to be close and he didn't need my vote) that's what I would have put on the online form.

The SNP and Hollande in France talk the Socialist talk but they walk the same economic policies as the centerists and right at the moment as those are the policies that are required (and EU rules prevent France from running a larger deficit/debt ratio).There isn't a much of a whiff of the left about the SNP in government. They even declined to put up the top rate of tax publishing research it would cost Scotland £3m pa if they did so. Ditto 13 years of Blair and Brown.

Even Varoufakis said on the BBC recently (from memory) "We live in a Capitalist world, to try and propose anything else is inane" (he definitely used the word inane)

And others swallow what the SNP claim, eh Gordi?

Out of interest how did they spin the damnig education report last week - quite different from what they claimed per-referendum!!!

The anti-semitism issue is far from resolved

You're right - nobody has answered your charges about why exactly Ed Miliband was eating that bacon sandwich.

Jam I think you are going to have to be actually specific here to gain credibility.

You're right - nobody has answered your charges about why exactly Ed Miliband was eating that bacon sandwich.

Too funny.

No he is not part of the problem you doing a political motivated witch hunt whilst expressing views on Muslims that would have you apoplectic with range were a lefty to say it about Jews- would you call me a racist anti semite were i to say they dont obey the law and are the biggest threat to our way of live and europe in general?
These are the only problem here

These sort of photo ops are very very carefully thought through.

Even when Labour have a Jewish leader and he is presented as a moron who cannot even eat a sandwich this still proves your conspiracy theory. 😯
As on the EU thread you just shoehorn facts in to your ever increasingly JHJ view of the world rather than form opinions from facts Actually you can barely recognise facts these days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband_bacon_sandwich_photograph

Of all the views expressed there not one is supportive of your crazy assertion.
You views are becoming increasingly strange.

Strange/desperate.

Corbyn is still here, lets see what the public think of his policies when he brings them out in the next couple of years.

I like the one about building a fleet of nuclear missile submarines, but not fitting the warheads.

crankboy - Member

The Corbyn has kneed labour to 3rd place in Scotland point is utterly false.

Not just false but either intentional misrepresentation or brute force ignorance. The first thing Kezia Dugdale did when he took power was move to distance herself from him. Her second stupidest political decision, after taking the job. Still, she'll never be Labour's worst leader in Scotland, she lacks the ability.

jambalaya - Member

Blair like the majority of senior Labour figures believe Corbyn is very bad for the party and its chances of winning an election. So to be electable he has to go

So you asking us to trust the judgement of a man who has said, quote, "I’m not sure I fully understand politics right now".

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/24/tony-blair-says-he-does-not-understand-politics-anymore_n_9304178.html ]Tony Blair Says He Does Not Understand Politics Anymore[/url]

A few months ago Blair claimed that Labour under a Corbyn leadership would stand no chance whatsoever of winning the next general election, in fact it faced possible "annihilation".

Wind forward a few months and Blair is saying that he's not sure that Labour under Corbyn can win.

Now the latest is Blair saying that if Corbyn becomes PM it will be a "dangerous experiment", presumably he thinks that it will reduce Labour's chances of winning the following general election.

So we've gone from Corbyn definitely standing no chance whatsoever of winning the next general election to definitely standing no chance whatsoever of winning the general election in 2025, in just a few months.

I think we should just believe Blair when he says that he doesn't understand politics.

And he proved how little he understands politics when he tried to intervene in the leadership election.

He urged Labour Party members not to support Corbyn's leadership bid but all his intervention did was to increase Corbyn's credibility and his support.

Completely unavailable to grasp this Blair intervened again in the leadership election campaign, and again Corbyn's credibility and support increased.

He could not have been more out of touch with the political party which he is supposed to be a member of.

For the record I have no idea whether Labour under Corbyn will win the next general election. But I do know that nothing terrifies Blair more than the thought of Corbyn being successful.

Tony Blair has barely any credibility left with the British people, the majority won't forgive him for the worse foreign policy blunder in modern British history :

[url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/no-public-appetite-forgiving-blair/ ]British public: we will never forgive Tony Blair[/url]

[i]53% of Brits say they can never forgive Tony Blair – and only 8% think he did nothing wrong.[/i]

All he has left is to say "yeah but I won general elections" (ignoring the fact that Labour lost 5 million votes between 1997 and 2010) Corbyn winning would destroy that last vestige of credibility.

And while Blair has used politics to make himself a multimillionaire his place in history and his ego are still undoubtedly hugely important to him.

Says the bloke who vowed he wasn't going to vote for Ken Livingstone (because he represented New Labour), then did.

Very interesting piece from Vice News - 30 mins viewing well spent. FYI journalist is a Labour member who voted for him in the leadership contest. Filmed from March to May elections including coverage of IDS resignation and the anti-semitism issue.

I've just seen this :

ninfan - Member

Says the bloke who vowed he wasn't going to vote for Ken Livingstone (because he represented New Labour), then did.

Whataloadofbollox......... Ken Livingstone represented "New Labour"?!!

That's hilarious!

You really come out with some right little gems ninfan 😆

Guardian has picked up on the Vicenews piece and Corbyn's comments that BBC are biased agent him.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/01/jeremy-corbyn-bbc-obsessed-damaging-leadership-vice-documentary ]Guardian[/url]

YAWN
you are obsessed

So obsessed I commissioned a VICEnews piece and then had the Guardian cover it ?

Why not just watch the programme ?

He's the leader of the second largest party in Parliament so of course I am interested.

Can't begin to tell you how shifty and uncomfortable he looks when asked about Livingstone's anti-semitic suspension though, in fact VICEnews's access was suspended for 5 days around that time, why I wonder ?

He's the leader of the second largest party in Parliament so of course I am interested.

Yeah but it's not as if he stands the slightest chance in hell of ever becoming prime minister. Everyone knows that. Don't they?

YAWN
you are obsessed

So obsessed I commissioned a VICEnews piece and then had the Guardian cover it ?

Not discussing this with you as its not a discussion its your personal thread to say I hate labour without ridicule there are no replies

With the passing of time you become more like JHJ

The more bored you are the better Junky

@ernie they guy who made the programme cares, he is a Labour party member and voted for Corbyn. Corbyn's advisors care as they'd like to see him elected as PM. Watch the piece, I thought it was balanced and excellent like pretty much everything else VICE put out. Corbyn needs to understand that sniping at the BBC just makes him look like a whiner. The Sun or the Daily Mail perhaps but the BBC.

In that case not reading a word from you ever again would bore me rigid

Can't begin to tell you how shifty and uncomfortable he looks when asked about Livingstone's anti-semitic suspension though, in fact VICEnews's access was suspended for 5 days around that time, why I wonder ?

Was he filmed eating a bacon sandwich? That would be a dead giveaway.

As a fellow non meat eater i find that deeply offensive and you are part of the problem 😉

I thought it was balanced

@ernie they guy who made the programme cares...

I'm sure he does, but we were discussing why you care so much - not him.

Do you think there's a very vague possibility that Corbyn might become prime minister ...... even though he's a hard-left terrorist-loving racist marxist extremist?

I didn't.

In that case not reading a word from you ever again would bore me rigid

Was he filmed eating a bacon sandwich? That would be a dead giveaway.

plus of course he's not Jewish in the first place.

Well of course not.....no Jew could ever become leader of the Labour Party, haven't you heard?

Well of course not.....no Jew could ever become leader of the Labour Party, haven't you heard?

The sarnie episode was very very carefully thought out, just horribly executed.

Do you have any sort of proof that it was Ed trying prove his non Jewish Ness, or is it just wild supposition?

If your source is the guy who keeps has to keep his Nazis tattoos covered up while youre manning the vote leave stall, it won't be considered credible 😉

Miliband needed to prove his non-Jewishness, he was always clear about the fact he had not been raised in a practicing family.

Was he? I can't say I can ever recall Miliband talking about his non-observant Jewish family - you reckon he was always making that point?

Of course it doesn't come as a surprise to me as his father was a renowned marxist.

And we know that no one ever thinks of Karl Marx was a Jew because wasn't a practicing Jew.

Not really, when I was away in Asia for a month offline you just devoted your attention elsewhere,

Secondly How would you know if you were offline

Miliband needed to prove his non-Jewishness

?nly in jambyland can a jewish labour leader be proof of anti semitism from the left....how can one debate with someone who uses "facts" like this and argue that making atit of yourelf publicly is "stage managed"

Just my theory @kimbers - as I've said just assume every post of mine has [in my opinion] at the start, that's the way I read everyone else's

@Alex I really would like to know your view ? It seems you watched the film rather than Ernie/Kimbers/Junkyard or DrJ.

Is JC(not Jesus Christ) still the leader of that Democratic People's Republic party?

Shouldn't they start nominating their next leader coz JC(not Jesus Christ) is so yesterday, I mean so boring now ... so so bored ... They should move with the trend man.

@Alex I really would like to know your view ?

How could you have missed it?

See if this helps.

You :

I thought it was balanced

Him :

I didn't.

From 3:30-4 10 I think he managed to address your issue very well