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(Also my argument mainly lies with the ‘predictors’ on here who insisted that if Corbyn moved towards remain he would lap up the electorate. Where has that argument gone?)
He hasn't moved towards remain though, has he? He's merely re-stated the same Red Unicorns/constructive ambiguity nonsense. Against the wishes of the membership, it should be added, through his conference stitch-up. Yay for 'restoring democracy to the membership'.
Only when it suits, eh?
I think it was Jess Phillips (booooo.... bloody Blairite!) who summed up the problem with that.
"The remainers think we're leavers and the leavers think we're remainers"
Hence Labours pitiful poll ratings
^ that. The suggestion that Labour have moved in any measurable way towards remain is laughable. Labour's approach continues to be conducting the same experiment and expecting a different result.
No way on earth remainers will be bitten twice by the same policy.
So while Pinky and The Brain have hoovered up all the brexit party support Labour continue to piss in to the wind.
Have you missed the last couple of weeks since Boris found a forest of magic money trees? He’s set about stealing Labours clothes. New hospitals, an increase in the minimum wage, 20,000 new police officers, etc, etc…
Oh yes for sure. Boris definitely understands that governments can spend, which they can of course when it suits them.
However Labour are offering plenty of cherries too.
While Labour’s policy shift (putting their Brexit to a referendum against Remain) means I and many others can vote for them again (and I will) they are never going to get enough seats at a general election with the current leader, no matter what their policy is on Brexit or anything else. Everyone knows it. The tone of your posts suggest you do as well @rone… to see the Tories romping ahead is very frustrating. All we can hope for is a hung parliament with the balance not in Johnson’s favour… and even that looks like little more than wishful thinking now. Corbyn should have stood aside long ago.
There's a reason Johnson is doing everything to get an election ASAP. He knows, full well, he'll face the most unpopular and frankly almost comically hopeless opposition leader this country has ever seen.
If he faces Corbyn then he gets a majority. It's that simple.
He knows it. We all know it. Even Corbyn knows it.
Yet there he still is. Sat on the fence like Karl Marx's garden gnome. Dooming us all to the Brexit he's always yearned for and then another 5 years of Tory rule with Boris ****ing Johnson at the helm
* slow handclap for Jeremy *
Polls keep getting referred to in this thread as gospel, I remember in the build up to the referendum the polls said remain would be by a landslide and look how that turned out...
Yeah... that ain't happening again. And let's not forget... he still lost. Despite it then being painted as some great victory.
Peak Corbyn was reached in 2017 when he faced the worst election campaigner in history in the Maybot, and its been the law of diminishing returns ever since. He should have gone then.
Instead, he's going to get to skulk off having gifted Boris Johnson a majority to go on to deliver a 'Tory Brexit' - to use Jeremy's words - then christ only knows what.
The far-right will be toasting Jeremy Corbyn for decades to come
Polls: Depends what you want from them. To choose an example entirely at random, you can say that the PM has a massive lead in the polls that correlates with the public mood of 'brexit', but you can also say in the same breath that Corbyn's woeful performance in the polls is because people don't know they want to vote for him yet.
Yeah, amazing, isn't it?
Yeah… that ain’t happening again.
Would have thought by now you would have got out of the predictions business having proved so utterly shit at it.
Morning comrade. Is the revolution progressing ok?
So, in an upcoming election...do you see the proletariat throwing off the shackles of their capitalist oppressors and rallying behind Jeremy to deliver the bright socialist future (outside the EU)?
Is that chewy?
Would have thought by now you would have got out of the predictions business having proved so utterly shit at it.
Absolutely.
He'a covered most bases though.
He prefers all the strong candidates for PM such as Watson, Rory Stewart and Jess Phillips.
Morning comrade. Is the revolution progressing ok?
Portugal are doing okay without you.
I see the Momentum tried and faithful failed to get Jess Phillips deselected this week, to make way for another Corbynite sock puppet?
Still... nice to see them applying their energies to the most pressing problems facing the nation
Yeah… that ain’t happening again. And let’s not forget… he still lost. Despite it then being painted as some great victory.
Peak Corbyn was reached in 2017 when he faced the worst election campaigner in history in the Maybot, and its been the law of diminishing returns ever since. He should have gone then
Socialism v the status-quo is always going to be a hard sell. The fact that it was as close as itn was some achievement.
But if you're happy with all the shit that's gone down pre-Brexit then by all means keep supporting it.
Socialism v the status-quo is always going to be a hard sell. The fact that it was as close as it was some achievement.
Counts for nothing. He lost. We still got a Tory government. And look where that got us.
But if you’re happy with all the shit that’s gone down pre-Brexit then by all means keep supporting it.
Ah yes... the usual. If you don't support Jeremey you're a Tory/Yellow Tory/ Red Tory/Blairite scum*
There are lots of things to be bloody angry about with the pre-brexit 'status-quo'. Lots of things. Yet we have a leader of the labour party that, against by far the worst government this country has ever seen, is still dismally failing to offer the nation a viable alternative that even natural labour voters are prepared to support, never mind floating voters in key marginals that are needed to deliver a majority
The Corbyn experiment has utterly failed by any metric (usual common room popularity exemption applies, obvs). He needs to be gone and the party needs to have a serious look at itself as it is presently a dithering, paralysed electoral irrelevance. And I don't know if you'd noticed, but we could use an effective opposition right now, and for the last 3 years while Jezza and co have been AWOL
* delete as applicable
So you don’t think there is a correlation with how much more popular Johnson is now versus May who offered up a wishy-washy Brexit solution?
Given Boris is offering no concession to the remainers and Corbyn moved towards remain how can you not extrapolate that at all?
(Also my argument mainly lies with the ‘predictors’ on here who insisted that if Corbyn moved towards remain he would lap up the electorate. Where has that argument gone?)
He hasn’t gone remain strongly enough, the reason the stories are in the lead is that the remain vote is split.
He hasn’t gone remain strongly enough
I wonder why that could be...
A real head scratcher, isn't it?
Unfathomable. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the bottom of it Flashy.
Then again... do you think it could be one of those conundrums where, in the end, the answer turns out to have been really obvious all along?
Hmmmmmmmmm.... I wonder....
Socialism v the status-quo is always going to be a hard sell.
So very true! 😀
He hasn’t moved towards remain though, has he?
He's offered what you claimed you wanted all along. It is of course no surprise that you're now claiming that you want something else.
Stop being horrid to Jeremy! It’s not his fault he’s all ... you know... ‘Brexity’!
If he says he doesn’t understand why he’s meant to hate the EU so much Len gives him a Chinese burn then Seamus gives him a wedgie and nicks his hummus
the remain vote is split.
No it's not. The leave vote is split between the Brexit Party and the Conservative Party. The only mainstream remain party is the LibDems.
Stop being horrid to Jeremy! It’s not his fault he’s all … you know… ‘Brexity’!
If he says he doesn’t understand why he’s meant to hate the EU so much Len gives him a Chinese burn then Seamus gives him a wedgie and nicks his hummus
Been at the prosecco again, I see.
Prosecco. Oh no dahhhhling. How frightful. Champagne only, comrade
I presume you’re drinking vodka distilled from turnip peelings in a Labour camp in Ukraine?
Morning comrade. Is the revolution progressing ok?
No, people keep moaning about Corbyn even when they should be on the same side, it's ruining it.
I've said many times and will again. Irrespective of everyone's prejudices or hysteria about Corbyn, the only route to stopping brexit is via a labour led government, and Corbyn is the democratically elected leader of the labour party. Anyone denying that is simply making a no deal brexit more likely.
There can be only 1.
Your repetition doesn’t make the point true. There are other paths… they may be currently blocked by parties, groups or individuals… but they exist.
3 weeks til a no deal brexit. In that time the Corbyn haters can focus on trying to change the labour leadership, or get on with preventing a no deal. It's that simple.
Christ, the SNP despise labour, and vice versa, but even they are prepared to put aside their differences for the common good.
Corbyn can stay leader, other parties and MPs can’t change that. They can force a no deal Brexit on us rather than vote to make him PM though, and many would. Labour can avoid no deal by proposing another temporary PM, get an extension, call an election, and then start campaigning… they’re three months behind… Corbyn has a lot of work to do if he wants to be PM for five years after that election, let someone else do the straight jacketed job as temporary PM for a few days. Remember, I want Corbyn to be PM after an election, and give us a referendum… but Labour need all these non-Labour MPs to act together with their own MPs first. Just make it happen! There is no reason why Corbyn needs to be the caretaker PM, who can only enact what Tory rebel MPs will back.
If the remainer anti-Corbyns can criticise him for not swallowing his pride (if that's what it is) and letting someone else be caretaker PM, then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that's promising a way back to remain. Do us all a favour.
Even Will Hutton, the most blairite of blairites seems to agree...
then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that’s promising a way back to remain
Who was that aimed at?
And which party do you mean?
Anyone heard anything from the chosen one of late?
Oh...erm... did anybody actually nip up to the allotment and let him know that parliament hadn't been prorogued, after all?
Somebody best pop up and let him know and bring him up to speed on what's happened in the last 10 days
If the remainer anti-Corbyns can criticise him for not swallowing his pride (if that’s what it is) and letting someone else be caretaker PM, then you can bloody well swallow your own pride and vote for the party that’s promising a way back to remain. Do us all a favour.
That’ll be the LibDems then..
That’ll be the LibDems then..
Ah yes their policy of "revoke" apart from its not really revoke since they wont be in the position to do so and therefore the policy is, what, exactly? What will be their redlines for a coalition?
I think they might have mentioned something about another referendum. I dunno, I’ve not watched the news since some time in 2017. [not serious]
A potato
It’s silent, damp and comes from an allotment. It’s basically Jeremy Corbyn but wearing a more stylish jacket.
🤣
Ah yes their policy of “revoke” apart from its not really revoke since they wont be in the position to do so and therefore the policy is, what, exactly? What will be their redlines for a coalition?
If enough vote for them they won’t be in a coalition..
Stop being so binary....😉
I think they might have mentioned something about another referendum.
Awesome. So what is in this referendum? What are they proposing as the choices.
Where is this ultra clear policy stating exactly what their plans are.
What are the chances of them ****ing it up as badly as their last referendum in coalition?
If you’re asking ‘If there is a coalition what will the referendum leave question be’, I suppose the answer is, ‘whatever the largest party says it will be’, or pretty close to that.