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The Labour problem is that the loonies haven’t got a left wing UKIP equivalent to migrate to.
The Labour Party was taken over by the loonies.
' Doesn’t mean that there’s anything to be gained by revisiting history': I don't think many Israelis seem to take that view with reference to themselves. Look at all those references to 'history' in the video above.
OOB, sorry, no, I disagree. Christopher Hitchens, noted atheist of Jewish descent and self declared ‘anti-Zionist’ explains what I mean far more eloquently than I could in this short clip.
OOB, sorry, no, I disagree.
That's fine, we can all read the definition for ourselves.
Leaked emails reveal that in January, Gardiner chose not to sanction a Corbyn supporter who allegedly said Labour MPs had a phone app that sent instructions from the Israeli government.
The individual, a white man in his fifties, also allegedly described the former Labour MP Chuka Umunna as “black on the outside, blue on the inside”, before responding to an objection from a mixed-race staffer by saying: “You would say that, wouldn’t you?”
Labour’s disciplinary unit, run by Gardiner, did not respond to a complaint about the incident for five months, citing an admin error and a “huge influx of cases”. It acted only after the mixed-race staffer said he was “concerned and disappointed” by the delay and could be racially abused at future events.
In an email dated January 2 this year, one of Gardiner’s aides wrote: “Thomas made a decision for a notice of investigation to be issued rather than a suspension. So this means the respondent is able to attend party meetings etc.” A further email stated: “Your comments below about anticipating further abuse will be passed on to the investigating officer.”
The individual remained a party member and posted incendiary material online, including an article in April saying Israel had been responsible for 9/11 and an illustration of an aeroplane emblazoned with the star of David heading for the World Trade Center.
Ignoring blatant racism in Labour, because the vicitim is not idealogically sound.
I see Comrade Binnerski has been on the twitter dot com again.
https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1153634992838365184?s=19
The individual, a white man in his fifties, also allegedly described the former Labour MP Chuka Umunna as “black on the outside, blue on the inside”, before responding to an objection from a mixed-race staffer by saying: “You would say that, wouldn’t you?”
That's taking support for Palestinians to a whole new level.
Any news from the allotment today? Hope all this heat hasn’t seen off the runner beans.
#wheresjeremy
Corbyn is literally a political potato.
I've never voted Labour.. For my sins I voted tory in my twenties and now vote lib/Green depending.
He's sat on the fence with brexit and he's sitting on the fence without sacking the racist elements within his own party.
He's not a leader, he's just a potato.
I listened to PMQs today since it was the PM's last day and I thought Corbyn was positively statesman-like in his initial comments on May. Excellent comments, excellent delivery. I know that's what politicos are cynically trying to do in these situations but even so.
... And yet May like Cameron asks him to resign.
Idiots. He's now on his 3rd Tory leader.
Soz Binnerz. Tom Watson more likely to resign.
Tom Watson more likely to resign.
Indeed, that's why May could say it without fear of toppling him and condemning Boris to face a credible opposition leader in the imminent GE.
Be funny & fitting if JC had shrugged and said "Ok, I resign" and May's last act as PM had been to hand a landslide to her opponents.
Or maybe Labour taking over Brexit is the only thing that could save the Tory party from extinction.
Wow, this thread is just littered with Blairites crying for "the good old days".
I can understand your frustration, what with the Labour Party daring to allow us hoi polloi more of a say over how our party is run and who represents us. I mean, how very dare we!
Perhaps, given the Tory-light leanings of Blairites you'd all be better off jumping ship to the Lib Dems? Their new leader seems like she would be just the ticket for you all. Repeatedly chucking about the word "Comrade" as if it's an insult or thinking that doing so is the height of comedy is quite frankly pathetic.
As for the anti-Semitism nonsense, criticism of Israel as a state is not anti-Semitism. Supporting BDS is not anti-Semitism. Calling into question the motives of members of the Labour Friends of Israel is not anti-Semitism.
What I care about is the fact that we have another shit bag pm and labour have done nothing to stop him.
What I care about is the fact that we have another shit bag pm and labour have done nothing to stop him.
This, this so many times.
What I care about is the fact that we have another shit bag pm and labour have done nothing to stop him.
You understand how the Tory leadership election works don't you? Labour don't get a say.
I can understand your frustration, what with the Labour Party daring to allow us hoi polloi more of a say over how our party is run and who represents us. I mean, how very dare we!
cough cough brexit cough
Wow, this thread is just littered with Blairites crying for “the good old days”.
I never voted for Labour under Blair… Corbyn got me voting Labour in 2017 for the first time… nothing I’ve seen since suggests that he shouldn’t have made way straight after that election for someone else prepared to carry on the fight for a left wing Labour government. He successfully moved Labour on policy towards where most members and many voters wanted it (except on Brexit), and then stubbornly stood in the way of the forward momentum (sorry) gained, when they should have been appointing a new leader for the next stage after that election loss. Corbyn will be old stale news with the voters by the time the next election comes around, and even with members who elected him (twice) his Brexit policy positioning has done irreparable damage to his reputation.
Wow, this thread is just littered with Blairites crying for “the good old days”.
I wonder how many Tory PM’s Jezza will get to stand impotently and uselessly across the despatch box from, in his once weekly ventures away from the allotment?
5? 6? 7?
The sixth formers and the PFJ still show no sign of wanting shut of him, so he’s clearly going nowhere (literally and metaphorically)
In the end, Magic Grandad will surely go down as the most effective leader in the history of the Tory Party
The sixth formers and the PFJ still show no sign of wanting shut of him, so he’s clearly going nowhere (literally and metaphorically)
In the end, Magic Grandad will surely go down as the most effective leader in the history of the Tory Party
Well I'm calling "house" on this game of Bitter Little Babbling Blairite Bingo.
Bore off or get some new material.
You’re not having a punt on how many then, comrade?
Oh... go on!
We could put a few roubles on it, Comrade?
I’m going for 6, possibly 7,before an unfortunate incident with a courgette finally consigns him to his mausoleum in Islington where the party faithful (and thankful Tory MPs) can queue to file past, daily, to pay their respects
And perhaps then, what’s left of the Labour Party can try and move on from it’s permanent state of pointless, pitifully feeble and gutless, placard-waving opposition
There you go again, chucking about the word "comrade" as if it's an insult.
Give up on dreams of Blair or one of his cronies making a comeback to drag Labour towards the right. The rank and file of the Labour Party have found their voices and are not afraid to use them.
Going great, isn’t it comrade?
I like how Corbynites have completely abandoned their bunker mentality.
There you go again, chucking about the word “comrade” as if it’s an insult
Taking the piss out of Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funny.
Solidarity, comrade Binski!
Bore off or get some new material.
Zero chance.
Boris has tipped the Momentum faithful the secret wink to thank them for their support in keeping Jezza in ‘power’ and clearing his path...
Corbyn peaked at the last election. First of the losers.
Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funn
"Cosplay Commies" had me aspirating my coffee. Is this a CFH original?
I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.
I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.
Yeah, down with people wanting an equal society where decision are based on what is good for society as a whole rather than rich individuals
Then make the case for it! Its what most people want.
But they're not going to get it from a party that totally refuses to engage with any other form of media other than Twitter. That is consistently silent on Brexit and the issues facing the country, even when faced with a vile, self-serving far-right Tory party led by a self-serving narcissistic buffoon who's hell-bent on lining his rich mate's pockets as he crashes us out of the EU
With an open goal once again yawning in front of them, as Johnson stuffs his cabinet full of extremist Brexiteers, the leader of the Labour party yet again takes his run-up to, reliable as ever, spoon it into row Z
This is what the bearded ****-wit has on his mind right now
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1154290494299693057?s=20
FFS!!! What planet are they on in the bunker? It'd actually be hilarious if the implications weren't so tragic for us all.
Boris and his team must be on their knees thanking the lord that this laughably irrelavent idiocy is what passes for their 'opposition'
Yeah, down with people wanting an equal society where decision are based on what is good for society as a whole rather than rich individuals
The problem historically has been that if you tax/punish/purge all your rich (successful, talented) individuals they leave and you lose their output. ...and then you need to build a wall to stop the last few leaving because you need them. ....and as new talented people come up they can't be bothered because if everyone is equal there's no benefit to producing more than the slackers. and if there's no carrot then the only motivator left is the stick. And all of that makes life rather miserable for everyone.
So cranberry's point is spot on. Why does Britain have to be the experiment? Why not try it somewhere else and if it works, great we can all do it. I suspect the answer to that is, it has been tried and it's been a disaster so even Cosplay Commies (love it) realize that (like it or not) meritocracy trumps equality every time.
Cosplay Commies
Do they dress up and go to Commie-Con?
I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.
The socialist paradise of Venezuela has freed up some space recently. They'd need to take their pets.
We're just pretending Scandinavia doesn't exist?
Socialism = Venezuela and no other country?
I wouldn’t worry about this country moving too far left for you (in my option it could move a long long way in that direction now before any of you’d have any real reason for concern at all) because in the biggest week for the Leader Of The Opposition for years… he seems to be happy to keep his powder dry ‘till September. By when, I’m pretty sure it’ll just result in a damp fizz when lit, even if he does give it a good go. Slow, missing, unappealing to most. New Leader time. Right now. It’s already too late.
Socialism = Venezuela and no other country?
Feel free to suggest somewhere.
Scandinavia is a meritocracy just like any other western democracy.
ffs the merits or otherwise of Corbyn as "leader" of the "opposition" (not much leading and v little opposing) have got very little to do with the merits or otherwise of socialism/social democracy.
The issue's not the policies, it's the fact that you need to get to be able to enact them. this seems highly unlikely with Corb in charge.
this seems highly unlikely with Corb in charge.
Agree, and it feels to me like someone average like an Ed Milliband would comfortably win and a Chukka or David Milliband would get a landslide.
The only thing stopping Labour being a dead cert for a landslide right now is Momentum/Corbyn.
Scandinavia is a meritocracy just like any other western democracy.
It is a mixed economy like any successful country. The further you move to one extreme or another the more issues you face.
Chukka or David Milliband would get a landslide.
No, they really wouldnt. Blair knew this thats why he left when he did. Got the praise and left the mess behind for others to deal with. That mess including all those people who felt left behind and ignored by Labour chasing the tories every rightwards.
Taking the piss out of Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funny.
Solidarity, comrade Binski!
Meanwhile, Boris stuffs his cabinet full of those who like a nicely polished jackboot.
Maybe they should get Hugo Boss to design them some nice uniforms? Black is very flattering.
Corbyn has failed.
But not because of his policies, but because he is an ineffectual eternal sixth former.
People who claim to be Labour supporters and would rather throw buckets of shit from the sidelines rather than, you know, actually get involved and do something about changing things don't help either.
It is a mixed economy like any successful country.
So is the Uk.
We're looking for examples of Equality/Socialism being the way forward. We already know that capitalist meritocracies work fairly well.