Jeremy Corbyn

I'm so confused.

Quite possible to criticise the EU but vote remain due to lack of alternative arrangement.

Did you see his ballot paper?

If you're suggesting that he's lying then I think the burden of proof is with you.

Have you got a source for this. It's the first time I've heard this

I heard it on the radio but:

Here's an article that supports it:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/renationalise-railways-what-no-one-will-tell-you-we-cant-while-were-eu

...and here's an article that doesn't:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-fowles/nationalisation-is-not-ag_b_8231336.html

On reflection I can't see how the EEAs competition and subsidy rules could possibly allow Nationalization of industries and improvements to those industries with public money.

EDIT: Although the second article fails to mention stuff in the spectator article and doesn't really support it's own rather emphatic headline.

If you're suggesting that he's lying then I think the burden of proof is with you.

well he didn't answer Smith's question until the 3rd go.

And whatever he said he voted his actions are clear now - he wants the hard brexit.

This has a lot of similarities to the apologists for LA not accepting his drugs use for so long.

This has a lot of similarities to the apologists for LA not accepting his drugs use for so long.

Well it would if LA had spent 30 years shouting that he was doping from the rooftops.

This has a lot of similarities to the apologists for LA not accepting his drugs use for so long.

There was evidence that LA was taking drugs. Is there any evidence that Corbyn voted Leave?

There was evidence that LA was taking drugs. Is there any evidence that Corbyn voted Leave?

so what if he didn't - maybe he succumbed to peer pressure - maybe his answer was as truthful as the when he said that he had never met the IRA.

and how has that any elevance now to his actions - is he acting like he regrets the decision to leave the EU ? He is actively supporting a hard brexit.

Seems pretty obvious to me what Corbyn wants. He wants the freedom in government to create an industrial policy which involves the nationalisation of key strategic industries, enable government support of non-nationalised industries, improve trade union representation and recognition in those industries, and protect and improve workers rights. All of those things can't be done within the current EU rules, so it hardly merits debate as to whether he wants to leave or remain. Also any considerations around the single market hard/soft brexit etc will be driven by the above requirements. Clearly his judgement is that these can't be achieved whilst maintaining formal single market membership. He probably also believes that he would have a much stronger negotiating position with Europe on issues of trade, immigration, security etc with the above policies, as opposed to the tory threats of becoming a beggar-thy-neighbour tax haven sweatshop.

Indy:

It is a sign of the dramatic switchback in British politics that Jeremy Corbyn can sack a clutch of rebel shadow ministers with scarcely a murmur of protest from anyone, while Theresa May has to put up with her own Chancellor going around saying that she messed up the election and poking fun at the Foreign Secretary’s fondness for cake.

Double post bug.

Love the Mash's take on this:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/you-do-know-that-im-the-leader-of-the-labour-party-corbyn-asks-may-20170710131463

He's sending her a copy of the Labour manifesto.

Whatever you think about him, you have to admit that's a sick burn.

you have to admit that's a sick burn.

I might. If I had the remotest clue what that means 🙂

Does Corbyn have a similar pamphlet on Venezuelan Economics? Or maybe a spare copy of 'Freedom Fighting for Dummies' ?

What decent person wouldn't spend an evening in the company of this guy ?

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Orrrr diddums 😆

Are we a little sad that nasty Jeremy is being mean to mummy?

I'll bet Corbyn & co are spamming Maybot with plenty of advice.

It's nice that she's finally acknowledging that she literally doesn't have a clue

Orrrr diddums

Are we a little sad that nasty Jeremy is being mean to mummy?

Is that really how you react to news that someone is tweeting about what fun it is to spend an evening with a genocide denier ?

Well, we are being led by reality deniers.

Is that really how you react to news that someone is tweeting about what fun it is to spend an evening with a genocide denier ?

It's nice that you're trying so hard.

2 months since any activity. Must mean the pantomime critics have given up, like many of his MPs 😀

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41659504

its a start, corbyn is doing a good job of setting the domestic agenda, while the tories tie themselves in knots over brexshit

Don't be silly. He's a loony left communist 6th former who will take us back to the 1970s and condemn the labour party to electoral oblivion or force it to split. Oh, hang on...

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/jeremy-corbyn-advisers-mi5-lists-claims-dame-stella-rimington/ ]members of communist and Trotskyist organisations in the 1980s who attracted attention from MI5 are now advising Corbyn on how to prepare himself for power[/url]

Move along people, there's nothing to see here 😆

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/16/stella-rimington-should-stop-fuelling-paranoid-fantasies-about-jeremy-corbyn ]Well she would say that wouldn't she.[/url]

enfht - Member

Move along people, there's nothing to see here

love it, righties still trying to throw mud at corbyn, like they did withe IRA fantasies that no one (sane) believed last time either 😛

infact spreading more lies like last the time just seemed to strengthen his support!

keep it up enfht, youre helping him into power, the same way that torygraph campaign did to get people righties to join labour for £3 to vote for him 😆

Be amazing to see who gets on lists... Though it's telling that's all the righties have 😉 I'm sure many people have been on lists for various reasons these days.

Anyway in keeping with the spirit of the other threads
BORRIS
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corbyn is doing a good job of setting the domestic agenda, while the tories tie themselves in knots over brexshit

I think Brext might have a fair bit of domestic impact. I don't think you can dismiss it as some kind of irrelevant foreign policy Labour can ignore. You could equally have said Corbyn is avoiding what is overwhelmingly the most important issue of the day.

But yeah. Electorally staying out of it is 100pc the right thing to do.

IRA fantasies that no one (sane) believed last time either

I assume you're referring to the 'Bobby Sands' speech? If so that was true, McDonnell, doesn't deny it:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2015/09/what-did-jeremy-corbyn-s-new-shadow-chancellor-really-say-about-ira

This all seems a lifetime ago now. In a totally different political world

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Remember those happy, carefree days when all we had to worry about was that the country was being run by a cabal of monumentally annoying Etonian muppets, and there was no opposition party worthy of the name

Halcyon days indeed

I assume you're referring to the 'Bobby Sands' speech?

no it was enfht (i believe) much earlier in the thread repeatedly linking to the Suns claims that corbyn had helped prolong the IRAs campaign

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turns out that the 'source' used admitted to having made up stories to the murdoch press for cash previously

he also claimed to have single handedly saved princess Di from an IRA plot

his testimony had been thrown out by UK courts for being a "practised deceiver" and his Garda handlers labeled him a "deluded fantasist"

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/murderer-served-ira-and-garda-but-mostly-himself-1.19950
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7924601.stm
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ira-killer-turned-police-informer-sean-ocallaghan-claims-provos-still-want-to-murder-him-in-spite-of-ceasefire-34167409.html

Of course Im sure that the editor of the Sun knew all about his history but the rw press' obsession with smearing Corbyn far to important to worry about facts

and some just lap it up

like they did withe IRA fantasies that no one (sane) believed last time either

So why did Corbyn invite two convicted IRA terrorists to parliament one week after the Brighton Bombing?.

And nobody mention Corbyn's Marxist 'Chancellor'

Or why Corbyn's handlebars are so bloody high on his clown bike!

Gandhi Foundation International Peace Prize winner, 2013.

For his work in Northern Ireland.

Funny how that never gets mentioned much.

youre helping him into power, the same way that torygraph campaign did to get people righties to join labour for £3 to vote for him

Wasn't that the plan? To help Momentum take over the Labour Party to kill it off? ...and hasn't it worked? The NEC have changed the nomination requirement from %15 to %10 so all future leaders will be from Corbyn's wing of the party. They couldn't even beat the worstr PM I can remember with with a giveaway budget.

Game over, surely.

Nah the plan was for a Tory landslide....

They couldn't even beat the worstr PM I can remember with with a giveaway budget.

I do love a bit of tory revisionism 🙂

No doubt Jamba will be back soon saying his 150 seat majority prediction never happened.

So Corbyn just had an easy win at PMQs......... on the economy

No wonder the Tories all look so glum

enfht - Member
So why did Corbyn invite two convicted IRA terrorists to parliament one week after the Brighton Bombing?

Obviously on a fundraising drive for the cause.

They couldn't even beat the worstr PM I can remember with with a giveaway budget.

I do love a bit of tory revisionism

It'll be it the biased press misleading me into thinking Labour lost and May is the worst PM I can remember. Bloody fake news.

Bloody fake news.

You have to admit that he's done far better than most people expected. That's undeniable. I'd go so far as to say he's done a pretty decent job overall. He's had a huge mountain to climb after all, in difficult circumstances (re Brexit) and he's climbed it.

They couldn't even beat the worstr PM I can remember with with a giveaway budget.

Two more weeks of being treated fairly by the media and word of mouth spreading, he'd have done it I reckon.

You have to admit that he's done far better than most people expected.

He did better in the elections than expected. I think most commentators thought he'd have preferred the leadership nomination percentage to move from 15% to 5% rather than 10% and he was probably expected to achieve that. ...but most commentators seem to think ten will do work fine and it was politically far nicer to appear to be compromising.

So to my thinking it's game, set and match to Corbyn.

He's also got a lot better at being leader of the oppo I think.

He's also got a lot better at being leader of the oppo I think.

Not sure that matters. Before he changed the nomination rules if Corbyn had been hit by a bus he would have been replaced by a Blair/Milliband type and a corresponding front bench. After he changed the nomination rules he will be replaced by a Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell type and corresponding front bench.

His achievement and his legacy is that the party has changed direction for good. He could resign tomorrow if he wanted. His job is done.

People who say 'Ahhh the membership could change' are wrong. Who the hell is going to join the Labour party with the aim of moving it back to the centre? They'd just join the liberals or Tories.

It's over, Corbyn has won.