Jeremy Corbyn

Tired record duckman - you got the ban you wanted, move on. REALLY boring now.

I'm offering an explanation as to why it's an important topic in the press

We all know why it's an important topic in the press, its because the press are ******* pathetic. We don't really need your insights into the shallow, moronic gutter mentality of our national media but you do seem to really understand them very well.

shallow

understand them very well

Makes you think... 🙂

If I was jeremy an interview would go something along these lines.

Interviewer: So Jeremry, will you kneel for the Queen?

Corbyn: FTQ. Next question?

😆

FTQ?

Aaah - F*** the question?

If you choose. 😆

So he did what he wanted and screw the consequences, except that now he has to face the consequences

That would be Diane "Consequences" Abbott now would it? 🙂

So in a few days we've gone from not singing a song, to not kneeling, to liaisons he may have had decades ago with fellow leftwingers. And I was under the impression the tory press would have an endless amount of ammunition in the form of his actual politics. Things are much better than I ever expected 🙂

I'm waiting for the headline 'Jeremy Corbyn took LSD in 1972'.

Still 475 days in office is the mid price at the bookies. Spread 30 days either side - buyers or sellers at 445 - 505?

About a 12% spread !!... There don't mind do they ?? ... license to print money that

490 - 520 with me... in a ten STP (SingleTrack Pounds)

Who'd like to get the first mark on the board ?

dazh - Member

So in a few days we've gone from not singing a song, to not kneeling, to liaisons he may have had decades ago with fellow leftwingers. And I was under the impression the tory press would have an endless amount of ammunition in the form of his actual politics. Things are much better than I ever expected

You're forgetting "Corbyn aide attacks cameraman".

Is 2571 posts in circa two months a record for a politics thread? I remember the Ding Dong Witch is dead thread being hot, but this has consistently been on the front page for what seems a much longer time now (although I could be wrong, obvs). Says a lot about JC's ability to create debate and interest at the very least, I suppose.

If the Labour Party were to gang up and replace Corbyn - who would they have? Given his huge popularity I reckon it'd be electoral suicide, even more.

Tom Watson probably.

IMO etc.

The blairites will be on the phone to David Milliband, have no doubt... If it comes to that, I'm reanimating John Smith. Zombinomics.

@grum You didn't respond to the point about why the Tories will ensure this stays the headlines. Blaming the press for everything isn't going to help you or the cause of the left wing. Corbyn is fatally damaged goods which is why so many outside Labour wanted to see him win. Just imagine how the pressure is going to step up as we approach an election, as I've said the SNP are going to make mincemeat of Corbyn

@v8ninety yes indeed, I was a bit surprised to see it continue, I think the Scots referendum thread went for longer with more posts though. Personally I'm happy to let things run their course with Corbyn, no further comment needed here. Equally surprised to see given the migrant chaos in Europe with border controls reinstated in many European countries, razor wire border fences installed (although nothing like the huge ones between Spain and Morocco) and Germay suspending all trains from Austria for a while there is not a peep on the migrant thread.

Corbyn is fatally damaged goods

fatally damaged goods

So, when will the media bring up these major faults/issues? Are they saving it up for a rainy day or just waiting until there is some other [s]Tory-led attack on the poor[/s] news to be buried?

Corbyn is fatally damaged goods

No one was expecting him to win your vote or admiration it not like he will start killing Palestinians ant day now is it.

John McDonnell AND Alex Salmond on QT tonight. Sandy Toksvig too - I reckon Elizabeth Truss will be wearing full body armour. And a certain forum ire will be dressing in his finest lingerie and sitting in a dark room.

I see Ernie's economist,Andrew Fisher, has been appointed a Political Adviser to Corbyn.

I find it remarkable that some people think that whilst Corbyn has his own ideas, he's too stupid to understand that he'll have to moderate them as leader.

ESPECIALLY since he's been talking about looking for consensus the whole time.

You keep trying to push this agenda. Smear, smear and more smear. Tell me, [b]are you actually able to make up your own mind[/b] based on reality or do you inhabit your own jambaverse where you suck in all the bullshit fed to you by the media you like and with whom you agree, and spew it back here expecting people to believe it?

Corbyn is fatally damaged goods

Well their website keeps the Panto theme going. Confusion over productivity and a shadow chancellor who claims that the banking sector is "unregulated" (no really). Blimey and folk thought havng a historian in charge of the exchequer was scary.

A fitting team - almost beyond parody.

So they cannot count on your vote then

Who could have predicted you and Jam were not won over ...JC will be gutted to hear this.

Panto - keep saying it. Over and over and over and over. It never gets boring. And yes, people really will start to believe it and start using it too. Just keep saying it. Don't stop.

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What what.

[quote=teamhurtmore ]almost beyond parody.Which is more than can be said for you and jam

You have to appreciate that you think he's ridiculous because you think he's wrong, and you think he's wrong because you're tories.

The thing is - you have to admit, as even I do, that there's more than one way to win the game. I think that what defines you is what you think the aim of the game actually is.

You've proved your own point DD, well done. Audience participation as well!!

As much a I would love more laughs, too tired for QT. The wonders of iplayer and other "capitalist toys" ! 😉

Which is more than can be said for you and jam

Indeed, the attention is most flattering. Odd when the topic is Corbyn - easy to miss in a frenzy though

So mol. To turn things back on topic. Is it ridiculous for a shadow chancellor to claim that the UK banking sector is unregulated? Simple question.

...capitalist toys

Yes, you're obviously tired. Time for a Horlicks and early to bed. Perhaps that 189 page report took it out of you.

Just keep repeating "Panto" over and over again. It'll soon send you off.

You have to appreciate that you think he's ridiculous because you think he's wrong, and you think he's wrong because you're tories.

I see Ernie's economist,Andrew Fisher, has been appointed a Political Adviser to Corbyn

ernie has his own economist 😯 Bloody Islington champagne socialists!

LU2 DD LU2 😀

Now I am sure there was an actutal thread topic here somewhere

I love the way you pretend you dont want it to be about you even after you have just baited a poster

So genuine and honest and not at all dishonest

Most labour MPs think he's a fruitloop. They're not tories

Sure?

I suspect they are worried about the electability of their party, rather than actual economics. If they started believing the electorate wanted Corbyn, they'd be behind him like a shot.

So if it's only the Tories tha think the whole thing is somewhat ridiculous, then old Jezza is a miracle worker

The Indie - "And in the first in-depth polling since his election as leader, fewer than one in five voters think that he has a chance of winning the 2020 election."

At the same time as increasing membership of the labour party he must be doing the same thing for the boys in blue. We are obviously underestimating him. Amazing, perhaps the initials were the give away?

Buyer at 475 then obviously!!

Bloody [s]Islington [/s] Croydon champagne socialists

So if it's only the Tories tha think the whole thing is somewhat ridiculous,

No. A lot of labour supporters could well agree with him but they think a move to the left will leave the party unelectable. Possibly the majority. This is why the Guardian didn't support him. NOT because they think the policies won't work.

I suspect they are worried about the electability of their party, rather than actual economics. If they started believing the electorate wanted Corbyn, they'd be behind him like a shot.

Well, yes. But... 😆

But what?

😀 😀

And in the first in-depth polling since his election as leader, fewer than one in five voters think that he has a chance of winning the 2020 election

Total Con Lab LibDem UKIP
Weighted Sample 1649 561 462 115 198

I see Ernie's economist,Andrew Fisher, has been appointed a Political Adviser to Corbyn.

I didn't know that. Although I can't say it's entirely surprising I am nevertheless utterly stunned and amazed that Andrew Fisher should now be adviser to the leader of the Labour Party !

How quickly things can change in politics - it's only a couple months or so ago that I heard Andrew Fisher talking at a meeting which consisted of about a dozen people, the possibility of putting the arguments he was offering beyond an audience of a small meeting appeared to be completely non-existence.

It is extremely rare for me to buy books, I have Andrew Fisher's book 'The Failed Experiment'. Last month Jeremy Corbyn came to speak to a packed overflowing meeting in Croydon, Andrew Fisher was there. Corbyn was over an hour late arriving so Andrew Fisher spoke to help fill the time. I was more interested in hearing Andrew Fisher speaking because I always learn something when he does than hearing Jeremy Corbyn who invariably comes out the same deary stuff that I already know all about.

I think it's fair to say that I pleased to hear that news mefty 🙂

I think it's fair to say that I pleased to hear that news mefty

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I am pleased to the bearer of good (for you at least) news, although my wording could have been better because I ascribed totally inappropriate proprietary rights to yourself.

5thElefant - Member

Most labour MPs think he's a fruitloop. They're not tories (yet).

Most Labour MPs as self-serving careerists aren't conviction politicians, and therefore are likely to be bemused by ones who are such as Corbyn and Skinner.

The bad news for Labour MPs is that the British public tends to see them as they see all other MPs - greedy, incompetent, and without credibility.

Corbyn would be well advised to look at how the SNP handle the issue of the Monarch

Never mind Andrew Fisher's appointment. Hasn't Cameron just appointed an ex CEO of Standard Chartered as a policy advisor? A bank so steeped in filth that it was fined for, ahem, not tracking transactions closely enough (or as many of us normal people would call it, "money laundering") TWICE.

You couldn't make it up.

@kona I didn't say Corbyn should take note of their policy stance on a currency now did I 😉

@molgrips the primary goal in politics is to get elected, unless you can do that it's simply an excersize in ego. The irony is Corbyn only made it past the MP nomination round as most of the MPs who supported him thigh the had no chance of wining they just wanted a broader debate to nudge some of the other candidates a bit further left,

@dd I worked for them for 11 years. Who by the way, I can't find a story.

The US fines where bollix and where in relation to a very small number of transactions with Iran which where permitted in UK / rest of the World but not the US. Their crime was to put them through the NY branch (and try to hide it), had they not done that if would have been in compliance with US sanctions. The second instance they flagged it up to the US authorities as internal audit caught the deals. What really ticked off the US authorities was a whistleblower who reported the deals and quoted the CFO as saying "**** the Americans telling us what to do in the Middle East". Now of course the US is lifting sanctions on Iran so there would be no issue at all. Also as an aside the last Labour government hired an ex CEO/Chairman and made him a Lord.

I worked for them for 11 years

So you worked for a bank involved in money laundering for 11 years. Who you're a little bit over-eager to defend?
Oh, everything was hunky dorey. 😆

As you were. Appoint the crook then. He sounds like quite the Tory.

The US fines where bollix

And yet Standard Chartered fully agreed with the fines :

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28860566 ]Standard Chartered to pay fresh penalty to NY regulator[/url]

[i]Standard Chartered has agreed to pay $300m (£180m) to New York's top banking regulator for failing to improve its money laundering controls.

The penalty comes after the bank failed to fix problems identified in 2012.

"If a bank fails to live up to its commitments, there should be consequences," the New York State Department's Benjamin M Lawsky said.

Standard Chartered said it "accepted" the findings of the New York State Department of Financial Services. [/i]

Still if you reckon it was bollox jambalaya then what do the New York State Department of Financial Services and Standard Chartered know?

You once worked for Standard Chartered for 11 years so you must know more about their business than they know themselves, eh?

STANDARD CHARTERED is facing further heavy fines and possible criminal prosecutions over alleged breaches of US sanctions against Iran.

The bank is under investigation by the Department of Justice (DoJ) over allegations it violated the terms of a 2012 settlement. Three years ago it paid $667m (£439m) in penalties to US watchdogs after admitting deliberately disguising transactions that could have broken US sanctions against Iran and other states. Under a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) signed at the time, the bank said it had ceased trading with Iranian clients in 2007.

But last year Standard Chartered paid a $300m fine to a New York financial regulator after its anti-money laundering systems were found to have been inadequate. In December the DPA was extended for a further three years, and the DoJ is now investigating whether sanctions were broken after 2007.

As you were. Appoint the crook then. He sounds like quite the Tory.

Alternatively, they may have looked at his CV and noticed that he was chief advisor to Brown and Darling and the architect (with his colleague) of Gordi's grand plan that allowed him (Gordi) to save the world almost single handedly from financial oblivion. Small and odd world eh?

Agree though, you probably couldn't make it up!

Good job that no one is advocating that this odd collective have even more say in running the economy. Makes you shudder doesn't it?

Come on guys… which of you are going to deal and pin your colours to the mast in a quantifiable (if just a bit of fun) manner

Only 520 days as leader of the labour party … that’s less than 18 months !!

He’s got to last longer than that , hasn’t he ??

I’m a buyer there … I’m theoretical tucking a tenner away for myself … but I’ll still make that price to the first punter

490-520 days as leader of the Labour party

THM... surely that's cheap price?

Ernie … Say the next GE is May 14th 2020 and our hero makes it until then… that’s exactly 1700 days away…. Fill your boots man….. in fact, you know what?... I’m just going to putting you down for a tenner … you’ve dealt

Jamba .. you a seller ?

This is just a bit of fun… but might be good to look back on in 4 years time as the next GE looms on the horizon … who will be right and have actual internet points?

Ro5ey … bought @ 520
Ernie … bought @ 520

Having bought already at 475 yesterday - yours for 490 - i'll take the STW£150 and go for a different punt on Lib Dems seats instead. Corbyn a crowded trade now!

[On a serious note and panto-jokes aside, I think the media circus may well become genuinely over-bearing. He seems a fit bloke and teetotal, so I hope that he will cope with what must come as quite a shock. This has been thrust on him and the magnitude may prove too much. Fingers crossed that this is not the case - but fail to see why anyone would want that job frankly]

Yeah, Corbyn should take a page out of their book, that masterstroke was the turning point in their successful campaign for Scottish indepe - oh...

Yeah, the SNP did really badly: a third on the independence vote and taking 56 seats at the general election. Nothing to learn there...

Was there anything interesting on QT last night?
I've seen the bit about John McDonnell apologising (but I'd already seen that with Jon Snow)

Right we are way

Buyers

Ro5ey @ 520
Ernie @ 520

Sellers

THM @ 490

(I'll put aside the fact that 475 was the mid and never offered there ... bloody economists/analysts 😆 ... and happily now be up 300 stp 🙂 )

price now 500 - 530

Corbyn supporters .... don't miss the cheap price

Was there anything interesting on QT last night?

Let me think...is there ever? (Yet, still I watch it...I know... 😀 )

Anyway, you missed Truss checking with Tory central office before looking outside to see if the sky is blue.
Salmond - actually remarkably quiet for once.
McDonnell - didn't come across as a natural QT debater and had to deal with Truss and the thoroughly arsehole-ish Timothy Stanley (Telegraph) constantly needling him about the IRA.
Toksvig - She was ok - had plenty of good points, but far too forward thinking for our system of Red/Blue-pick-your-corner politics.
Timothy Stanley - seriously, he's going to be a proper arsehole when he grows up.

Golden Moment: a Tory-boy in the audience saying when talking about refugees that the only people talking sense in the panel were Truss and Stanley, and supporting it by saying "...I've studied a bit of politics...this year..." He's gonna regret that today. I reckon that was what jambalaya was like when he was younger.

Blimey don't trade with Ro5ey - I'm flat mate- advantage of early trades before the crowd.

Corbyn might have a good weekend and looking to sell higher up! Tell me your price on Monday!! 😀

Ha! Thanks for the run-through DD 🙂

So who has been appointed ? Part of the settlement was the public statement, they tried to cover up the trades that was definitely wrong (deliberately changed client name and address on deal tickets). The trades where caught under money laundering laws which are now very broad. They where standard loans and trade finance facilities whuch had they been made in euros or USD not settled in NY would have been totally legal. I think some of you are confusing HSBC's conviction for handling Latin American drug money with Standard Chartered. The financial sanctions imposed by the US on Iran where not supported by most of the world

QT
No mealy mouthed apology dragged out of a person is worth anything. McDonald has had years to apologise and is doing so now only has pushed into it by Labour as they are well aware his statements are electoral poison. A terrorist sympathiser as leader and chancellor. Some very daming words from the UK's Jewish community leaders too (reporting in the Guardian), I do wonder what Luciana Berger was thinking in accepting a Shadow Cabinet role.

@dd have a read if the migrants thread, things are unfortunately panning out just as Imsaid they would. Did you see the women convicted in Sweden of middling her mother after being radicalised by her Bangladeshi ISIS supporting boyfriend living in a Swedish refugee camp ? Or the portion of migrants from the Balkens who are opportunistically mixing in with Syrians fleeing Turkish refugee camps ?

As you can see I was really hedging my bets when I said Corbyn wouldn't last 3 years, a very safe statement as the betting is closer to 18 months

Golden Moment: a Tory-boy in the audience saying when talking about refugees that the only people talking sense in the panel were Truss and Stanley, and supporting it by saying "...I've studied a bit of politics...this year..."

+1 that genuinely made me LOL

McDonald has had years to apologise and is doing so now only has pushed into it by Labour as they are well aware his statements are electoral poison. A terrorist sympathiser as leader and chancellor.

And in other news from outside the jambaverse, NI has moved on. Time to move with it rather than constantly smearing with old stuff.

@dd the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas issue is quite simply never going to go away as far as Corbyn and his cronies are concerned. Whether it's me posting about it here, or reports in the press or doorstep campaigners in key marginal seats. It's my view there will be a further investigative expose of Corbyn accepting money from Hamas to visit Gaza, thus could well be deemed in contravention of anti-terrorism laws. He's a dead man walking electorally.

[s]It's my view there will be a further investigative expose[/s][b]I think I will fling some shit[/b] of Corbyn accepting money from Hamas to visit Gaza, thus could well be deemed in contravention of anti-terrorism laws. He's a dead man walking electorally

Maybe you should have mentioned you aren't exactly impartial when it comes to which side you sit with in regards to anything that goes on in the occupied territories.

Ah right found it, Peter Sands (ex McKinsey) will act as an unpaid consultant, very smart and talented man. FYI he was involved in a number of consultations with the previous coalition government at the PM level, in particular with supporting small business finance, which SCB has a lot of expertease in.

@duckman whether you think I'm impartial or not isn't the point, Corbyn and McDonald are sitting ducks on this issue and the flak is going to be incessant. They made those remarks as "protest politicians" on the basis they would never be in a position of power and now they are trying to backtrack.

QT
No mealy mouthed apology dragged out of a person is worth anything.

It would be interesting to see how Corbyn is doing with the on-the-fence electorate, because it's no surprise that Lefty's love him and Tories hate him. I'm just not sure that all the mud that the press are slinging at him is really hitting home with the people who change vote at each election.

Ernie … Say the next GE is May 14th 2020 and our hero makes it until then…

I might be pleased that Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party but he isn't my hero.

In fact I found the sycophantic hero-worshiping by some at the Croydon rally quite nauseating - he's just some bloke in the Labour Party as far as I'm concerned.

And I like Corbyn but I found his emphasis at the Croydon rally on the vulnerable in society while ignoring wider issues a little disappointing. Although admittedly he was limited by time - he couldn't talk about everything, it just seemed a little pointless telling to an audience which clearly wasn't Tory that kicking the vulnerable in society in the guts isn't acceptable. Tell us something that we don't know - if I'm going to make the effort to come and listen to you.

I also find Corbyn's repeated claims that he's not a 'deficit denier' and that he wants to have a strategy to clear the deficit disappointing. He is imo like his predecessors simply falling for the Tory/right-wing narrative, and I'm not convinced that his newly appointed policy adviser Andrew Fisher would approve.

Practically every government since the end of WW2 has failed to clear the deficit, including Tory governments which have been in power for the majority of that period. Even in the 1950s with full employment and when "we never had it so good".

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What makes Corbyn think that Corbynomics will be any more successful ? I'm sure he doesn't, sadly imo he's allowing the Tories and the right-wing press set the agenda in this respect.

Let's not forget that after all Corbyn is in the Labour Party, he might be different but he's still a Labour politician.

issue is quite simply never going to go away

I suppose, if you're you, and you just need to constantly sling some mud, then no, it's not. Tell me, why is it you don't seem supportive of the peace process in NI? It's moved on remarkably from where it was 12 years ago, let alone 20 or 30 years ago.

Why haven't you moved with it? Even Maggie was talking to the provos in the 80s. Crikey, Ted Heath nearly gave the North back to the republic. 😯

So jambalaya, why can't you move on and support the peace process? Are twelve year old words more important to you than peace on the streets and no more army patrols? Anyone would think you kinda enjoy conflict.

Haha, brilliant! So the guy lecturing us about 'associating with terrorists' is not only an ardent supporter of a rogue nuclear state that's violated dozens of UN resolutions, he's also worked for years for money-laundering criminals who illegally colluded with another rogue terrorist-sponsoring state.

'You couldn't make it up'

So jambalaya, why can't you move on and support the peace process? Are twelve year old words more important to you than peace on the streets and no more army patrols? Anyone would think you kinda enjoy conflict.

I think you are being unfair and conflating two different issues. You can doubt what informs McDonnell's judgement based on what he has said in the past, while still supporting the peace process. McDonnell will always have those comments in the background and just has to deal with it, likewise Cameron will always have the Bullingdon photo.

I think you are being unfair and conflating two different issues.

I disagree. We could all go back and drag up quotes from politicians over the past fortyish years (wrt NI) and use them. Of course, [i]most[/i] politicians would either deny them, say they were words taken out of context, or use some other bullshit excuse for them.

just has to deal with it

Like he did with Jon Snow and on QT last night? And will no doubt have to do over and over again until he's either forced to stand down or right wingers desperate to score points find some more words.

Look, he's no hero of mine, but there's no point in dragging up words of twelve years ago to constantly (because that's what's happening here) smear someone and call into question his or her judgement...and yes, I'd say NI is a special issue in this case. Because all that does is rake up the past and put a glow on some smoking embers (like what's happening today where we get soundbites from entrenched DUP members on the radio just to add a bit of fuel...) and in its own way endangers the peace process, the fragility of which has come under question again recently. So that's where my conflation comes in. NI has moved on. Hundreds of thousands have moved on with it. Quite a few (mealy mouthed points scoring hacks and politicians unsurprisingly) haven't it seems.

QT
No mealy mouthed apology dragged out of a person is worth anything.

I agree. And that's not what happened. I thought it was a refreshing change compared to the response most politicians would give in that situation.

We could all go back and drag up quotes from politicians over the past fortyish years and use them.

Which is exactly what happens to every politician seeking high office that is the nature of the scrutiny that they are exposed to - no matter where they come from - that is the nature of the trade. He just has to carry that baggage and hope that what he says from now on is sufficient to persuade the electorate that he should be entrusted with power.

I'd say NI is a special issue in this case.

I frankly can't see a bit scrutiny of what someone said years ago is going to destabilise the peace process, it is more robust than that - you only have to talk to the families of innocent victims to know that.

Which is exactly what happens to every politician seeking high office that is the nature of the scrutiny that they are exposed to - no matter where they come from - that is the nature of the trade. He just has to carry that baggage and hope that what he says from now on is sufficient to persuade the electorate that he should be entrusted with power.

Another quote has been dragged up from the period - it seems pretty clear that he opposed violence, and wasn't afraid to say so to the republicans.

I wonder if the appointment of Jeremy has effectively killed off the Lib Dems.

They seem to think the opposite!
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/17/jeremy-corbyn-lib-dems-politics-centre-ground

The Lib Dems really held the centre ground last time...If centre ground means doing exactly what they were told in order to pretend they were part of the Government. Straws and clutching springs to mind.