Jeremy Corbyn

Broess - you are correct. The recovery is partial and we will continue to perform below trend. Why? Because the root cause of the crisis has yet to be addressed - excess leverage.

Austerity (sic) is a side show that makes headlines.

The real issue is leverage. The BIS wrote about this two days ago and I hope to download and read on train tonight (late night!).

Fail to identify the causes correctly and you will fail to implement the correct strategies.

Our representatives have amusing debates for our entertainment but do little to address our real problems - hence the accompanying media circus. we get what we deserve...

That is my understanding, yes.

People were bound to go back over his previous statements:

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In the same way that sitting down with a nice cup of tea 'compliments' conventional medicine presumably 😀

Our representatives have amusing debates for our entertainment but do little to address our real problems - hence the accompanying media circus. we get what we deserve...

Part of Corbyn's huge appeal in the leadership election was precisely because he wasn't seen to be part of the parliamentary elite, which quite frankly are held in very low esteem by the British public these days.

^This. I reckon if he can get up a head of steam with the electorate, the bickering will stop. It is a real tight rope though.

Also, I think there should be no requirement for him to sing the national anthem. Does not say anything about his patriotism one way or another.

Damn rumbled! 😉

Yes our appalling productivity record is a bug bear of mine as is the failure to,understand why it's important. But pages of advertising support have already been wasted on that topic. Suffice to say that excess leverage and poor productivity are natural bed fellows.

MPs prefer ST stunts anyway.

ST stunts, eh? Well, don't let the PQ boys seem them trying to 58 that old rag, there'd be "quantitative ease-in" all over the trading dashboards!

The SNP had a pretty substantial press operation - they certainly didn't ignore the MSM.

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konabunny - Member

ST stunts, eh? Well, don't let the PQ boys seem them trying to 58 that old rag, there'd be "quantitative ease-in" all over the trading dashboards!

^ This. Well said KB.

BTW THM, how you getting on with the BIS report?

Apparently it's a total of 189 pages - do you have a long train journey, or can you take most of it in by doing a quick scan with your eyes ?

[url= http://elxn-data.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/mr-corbyn-and-pmqs.html ]I think this is a good piece on Corbyn's PMQs[/url]

its the gift that keeps on giving

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Fine thank you Ernie. How about you?p

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What page are you on THM ?

Apparently it's a total of 189 pages - do you have a long train journey, or can you take most of it in by doing a quick scan with your eyes ?

Fine thank you Ernie. How about you?

Surley JHJ you can find a picture of him with a royal or Jimmy Saville

I think the former is unlikely

its the gift that keeps on giving

Well it's certainly a gift for Corbyn stoner. But I doubt that many career minded professional politicians will be taking up Assem Allam's offer.

Besides, I imagine that the LibDems have enough on their plate right now with taking a handful of raging right-wing Labour MPs who refuse to accept the democratic decision of 60% of their party.

Surley JHJ you can find a picture of him with a royal or Jimmy Saville

Thankfully not...

However, if what I've just read is factual, the picture I've posted above is a good example of how more often than not, pictures have a deeper story behind them.

But I doubt that many career minded professional politicians will be taking up Assem Allam's offer.

with enough money thrown around, I dont see why not.

But wouldnt it satisfy your desires to see the dissolution of "New Labour", the creation of a truly left wing workers party, and leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them?

leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them

I think that has already happened they all over the media, quangos and international charities.

The Digger is getting his claws in early. Is the Abbot stuff really new??

The poll is more damning and revealing.

But wouldnt it satisfy your desires to see the dissolution of "New Labour", the creation of a truly left wing workers party, and leave the blairites to cuddle up to whoever has the money to afford them?

Er yes, I haven't expressed any opinion that they shouldn't leave the party. I just don't think there are any that stupid or that the LibDems are stupid enough to want them.

The LibDems were busy trying to reinvent themselves as a left-wing party until Corbyn came along. They are probably now trying to work out how they can reinvent themselves to be left of the Tories but right of Labour, taking on a handful of angry Labour right-wingers who in some cases like Tony Blair would probably be more comfortable in the Tory Party will just complicate things even further for them.

And the LibDems certainly don't politicians whose primary motivation is going where the money is, the public have low enough opinion of them already.

This Alleem Assam fellow seems to have some really sensible ideas:

On 12 September 2013, Allam, speaking to an interviewer, predicted that "in a few years many clubs will follow and change their names to something more interesting and I will have proved I am a leader."[16] He added that if he were the owner of Manchester City, he would change their name to "Manchester Hunter".[16]

Allam's plans to change the name of the club have been met with strong opposition from supporters of the club,[17][18] whose complaints he dismissed, stating "nobody questions my decisions in my business."[19] In response to the formation of a group opposed to the name change entitled "City Till We Die," Allam responded that the supporters involved "can die as soon as they want, as long as they leave the club for the majority who just want to watch good football."

Seems like he was a really committed Labour supporter too:

He started donating to Labour in February 2012, after inviting the party's then-leader Ed Miliband to Hull City's match with Ipswich Town at the KC Stadium.

Following the fixture, Mr Allam donated £100,000 to Labour.

At the time, he also offered a similar sum as a donation to the Conservatives, but party officials are understood to have declined the sum.

A party without a point led by a rebel without a clause

Now that's an eye catching headline and an article that is more fun than the BIS Quarterly. Nice conclusion too.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/corbyns-labour-is-a-party-without-a-point-led-by-a-rebel-with-a-cause

What Corbyn needs, beyond obviously a spin doctor and a mini-break, is to surround himself with thinkers. Gosh, some of them may even be female. For he is the exact opposite of the movement he needs to build: young , flexible and networked. He is its temporary caretaker. Sorry, but hating the media, the Tories and austerity are not policies. They are feelings. Thinking, actually thinking anew, is the challenge.

an article that is more fun that the BIS Quarterly

Seriously ? More interesting than 189 pages of fascinating statistics ?

What do you really do for a living THM ?

It was a dry edition this quarter and couldn't find the article I was looking for. It's the Central Bankers club journal effectively so hardly likely to be a rip-roaring read. The data is good though albeit tough to fathom at times. Hence the chapters on new stats are of interest, but that's the return journey!

Speed reading is key! Like 3 papers in the morning, don't forget I had the misfortune of actually reading Scotland's Future - a real low point. BIS is dry and a little dull but at least it's not made up.

Speed reading is key! Like 3 papers in the morning, don't forget I had the misfortune of actually reading Scotland's Future - a real low point.

I had forgotten.

3 papers in the morning......that's impressive.

Good luck with the new stats on the return journey. BTW are going to work or coming back ?

Never would have had you down as a Suzanne Moore fan THM.

Hey don't judge him......THM is a political neutral who reads loads of stuff.

Who's Suzanne Moore anyway ?

Who's Suzanne Moore anyway ?

Someone who doesn't think hating the tories is a policy, so she is probably a Tory, because this seemed to be the central policy of every other Labour party hopeful.

Author of such classics as 'We all love Superdrug in my house, and here’s why'

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/29/superdrug-boots-profits-teenage-girls

She has devastating insight.

Stoner - Member
its the gift that keeps on giving

However, if what I've just read is factual, the picture I've posted above is a good example of how more often than not, pictures have a deeper story behind them.

Edit: oh okay, they were shagging in the late 1970s. Apart from being an even less alluring coupling than John Major and Edwina Currie...so what?

I don't get it - what do you think the superficial story behind that picture is? What do you think the deeper story behind it is?

Come on konabunny...you should know by now you have to do your own research.

It looks to me like a photo of Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn at a demo in the late 1980s. Is it somehow remarkable that two leftie London Labour MPs would go to the same demo?

That's what I thought but I didn't like to ask.

I thought it might have something to do Althea Street SW6, you know, perhaps the address of an establishment paedophile ring?

But I didn't google Althea Street SW6 as the thought of Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn being implicated in an establishment paedophile ring was too horrible to contemplate.

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they were shagging in the late 1970s

Ah, right. And 35 years later he becomes Labour Leader and gives her a frontbench job, in recompense for all the hand jobs. Another example of how corrupt our political system is!

I don't get it -

Maybe, but at least it [u]made you think[/u]!

I'm not quite sure why having a relationship with someone that he had a lot in common with 30 odd years ago is in the least bit newsworthy... In fact if thats the best they can come up with then I reckon the media character assasination is not going to be as bad as i thought it was going to be. It just stinks of desperation to be honest.

So the right wing press have obviously been chucking all the resources they can muster into digging into his past, and after days of frankly pathetic assaults have finally got the mother load....

He had 'an affair' with Diane Abbot. Or as we normally refer to relationships between two single consenting adults .... 'A relationship'

They need to be careful. They might build up Jezza as... You know.... a bit of a swordsman. And then the Essex white van men might start voting for him

Stay classy!

Speed reading is key! Like 3 papers in the morning, don't forget I had the misfortune of actually reading Scotland's Future - a real low point. BIS is dry and a little dull but at least it's not made up

Obvious troll is obvious.

What about poor Diane Abott? Doing the walk of shame home from his Islington loft conversion swearing she will never drink THAT much again?

It just stinks of desperation to be honest.

That interview yesterday where the BBC were pushing and pushing for an answer about whether he would kneel before the queen - they just seem really petty - very few people actually care.

She really is repugnant, I can only imagine he'd had a few too many and the beer goggles

Thank you for valued opinion. Yes I'm sure that's why the Times published that pic and informed its readers - because you wouldn't want to shag it unless you were pissed. It certainly calls into question his judgement and therefore obviously whether he's fit to be Prime Minister.

BTW craig, what's your opinion of Corbyn himself ? I reckon he was a bit of handsome brute, and looks strangely Scottish.

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The one between him and that black woman looks a half decent bit of crumpet, but not the fag pig on the right - you'd need beer goggles to shag that lol What do you reckon ?

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thats a bit of a wry smile from Corbs, hes definitely been doing the wild thing with Diane the night b4

itll be coke* n hookers revelations next, gideon stylez.........

* assuming he found some made from fair trade organic cocoa leaves

he does look like he had to rush to get dressed in time for the rally though. Maybe she had been sitting on his shirt-tails, as the old boy on the farm used to say to me when I was late to the yard....

Obvious troll is obvious

I wonder if he will reply with a hilarious sweaty reference in his post

ernie_lynch - Member

BTW craig, what's your opinion of Corbyn himself ? I reckon he was a bit of handsome brute, and looks strangely Scottish.

The two go hand in hand in both Junkyard's and my experience.

Ah, right. And 35 years later he becomes Labour Leader and gives her a frontbench job

Thinking about it though, it isn't necessarily a sign of corruption.

It could be they have a mutual respect and trust, which would be conducive to better team work.

35 years later she got a job, she must be damn good

Im not sure it would be a good idea to employ any of my exes, its possible I may have been a bit of a cad

That interview yesterday where the BBC were pushing and pushing for an answer about whether he would kneel before the queen - they just seem really petty - very few people actually care.

Kuensberg (sp?) let herself down with that. I've always quite like her but she came across as nothing more than a tabloid tittle-tattle merchant. The trouble is, whilst most newsnight viewers probably saw it as puerile, the unwashed masses take note of this sort of thing. It obviously caught him off guard which worries me, as it's not exactly difficult to pre-empt these things, did he really not know what the privy council ceremony involved? How hard would have been to say something like, 'The office to which I've been elected requires me to perform some duties which I have to accept even though I disagree with them, if in future I'm in a position to change those, then I will look at the available options'?

That interview yesterday where the BBC were pushing and pushing for an answer about whether he would kneel before the queen - they just seem really petty - very few people actually care.

His comment that 'things need to change in this society' regarding kneeling before the queen sounds pretty bang on to me. Its not the 16th century FFS!! We're citizens! not ****ing medieval serfs! And our system of government should reflect that!

Back to policy. So Corbyn says he'll wait to see what Cameron negotiates with The EU on the basis he may campaign to "leave". Now he's reversed that position to say under no circumstances would he do such a thing and will campaign to"remain". At least he's starting to understand that being a leader is a bit different than lobbing critism from the back benches.

This Diane Abbott "splash" is a non-story

Not singing the Anthem and kneeling before the Queen is very much relevant. A very large portion of actual or potential Labour supporters will be pro-Monarchy. Also Jerry Adams and Sin Fein don't kneel before the Queen either and we know how Corbyn says they are his friends. Corbyn would be well advised to look at how the SNP handle the issue of the Monarch, despite campaigning for Independence they make it clear the Queen would remain Monarch of an Independent Scotland.

We're citizens!

Erm... I think you'll find that's on the wish list, not part of the actualite.

I think you guys are citizens...and are still subjects at the same time. Part of the weird and wonderful world of not having stuff written down.

A very large portion of actual or potential Labour supporters will be pro-Monarchy.

My Christian friends don't think that I should have to say prayers.

Also Jerry Adams and Sin Fein don't kneel before the Queen either and we know how Corbyn says they are his friends.

You keep trying to push this agenda. Smear, smear and more smear. Tell me, are you actually able to make up your own mind based on reality or do you inhabit your own jambaverse where you suck in all the bullshit fed to you by the media you like and with whom you agree, and spew it back here expecting people to believe it?

Not singing the Anthem and kneeling before the Queen is very much relevant.

Only to simpletons.

grum - Member

Not singing the Anthem and kneeling before the Queen is very much relevant.

Only to simpletons.

It will continue to be an issue no matter what he says.

To simpletons.

Corbyn would be well advised to look at how the SNP handle the issue of the Monarch, despite campaigning for Independence they make it clear the Queen would remain Monarch of an Independent Scotland.

Somebody has hacked Jams log in.

Corbyn and Abbott would never have worked long term. They would have divorced when she sent the kids to a private school.

EVEN the Daily Fail (yes, I looked, so you don't have to) comments section is over run with disgust for this gutterscraping non story. If DM readers can see it for what it is, then reasonable people will have no problem at all.

(More poorly tied bobby-dazzlers in evidence - yawn)

Still 475 days in office is the mid price at the bookies. Spread 30 days either side - buyers or sellers at 445 - 505?

At lease the new PR/rebuttals person is in place which might help a little.

The Abbot thing is only of relevance to the extent that it raises questions about a new-style of open and refreshing politics. Abbot and McDonnell appointments hardly fit that but hey, ho he needs some close allies. It lonely at the top esp knowing that so many of your troops are willing you to fail.

As for jobs for the boys its not as though there are any favours granted for family members like to other lot, surely........? Not in the new world.

Nicola looked like she was enjoying her recent train ride with EIIR and was positively gushing with her words.

The Duke seemed to be enjoying the outside view!

[i]Kuensberg (sp?) let herself down with that. I've always quite like her...[/i]

Seriously Dazh? Ugh...she has me reaching for the remote every time I see her ugly gurning mug, saying look at Meeeee!!!

Nicola looked like she was enjoying her recent train ride with EIIR and was positively gushing with her words.

The Abbot thing is only of relevance to the extent that it raises questions about a new-style of open and refreshing politics. Abbot and McDonnell appointments hardly fit that but hey, ho he needs some close allies. It lonely at the top esp knowing that so many of your troops are willing you to fail.

More of the same. No matter who he chooses - allies? Oh look, he's only giving jobs to his mates. Non-allies? Oh Jesus, is he nuts giving jobs to people he can't trust? Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't. Right wing smearers be smearing. Which is no surprise. What what.

True - damned either way, and a difficult task given what was available. So the actual question is, what's new? Same old, same old.

Still we shall see - as Ernie noted our new shadow chancellor will be on QT tonight. We can judge for ourselves - with Carney's intervention yesterday, there is an obvious question coming in the first three.

Seriously Dazh? Ugh...she has me reaching for the remote every time I see her ugly gurning mug, saying look at Meeeee!!!

Well given the choice between her and NIck Robinson it's a no-brainer. Allegra Stratton on newsnight is far better but I'm always distracted by how terrifying she looks.

teamhurtmore - Member

(More poorly tied bobby-dazzlers in evidence - yawn

For somebody who reads three newspapers in the morning you have a surprisingly narrow vocabulary. Do you even know what a Bobby Dazzler is? Shhesh...not what one would expect from a politically neutral A* tutor.

^ SPAG is not A* either

I appreciate your concern for my education duckman and am now enlightened - google really is your friend! Thank you very much - too kind.

Fortunately, the benefits of wide reading include other perspectives (and less sexist ones BTW)

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bobby+dazzler+fly+fishing&biw=911&bih=430&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIsJ2Y45H-xwIVTLwUCh0nJQBx#imgrc=3BQ8IQw0VLC5sM%3A

As can be determined ^ a less well-known version perhaps?

Here we go again.... and so soon!

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Is that not just Tim Farron delighting in the fact that someone remembers he exists?

Who?

As can be determined ^ a less well-known version perhaps?

So sorry,because of your use and justification of casual racism as humour I thought you were using the Scottish slang version.

Could there be a new centre party on the way? The liberals are probably more to a Blairite Labour MP's liking anyway.

@dd I am not pushing this agenda I'm offering an explanation as to why it's an important topic in the press and will remain a big part of the Tory campaign not to mention those in the Labour Party who don't agree with him. It's an obvious point on which to attack Corbyn not least as he has such a weak defence. He's a protest politian who did what he liked on the basis he was never going to be in a senior position, he's never even been a shadow minsiter. So he did what he wanted and screw the consequences, except that now he has to face the consequences