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Whatever. Just getting bored with you two loving JC all the time.
Blimey, if you think this is boring what will you make of the 20,000 posts on the EU thread. We've been saying mostly the same stuff for what 9 months ? 🙂
Again, 'whatever'.
I really couldn't care less about counting posts/comments/or whatever gets you going.
It's just seeing this JC thread all the time here that really bores the life out of me!
It's just seeing this JC thread all the time here that really bores the life out of me!
Have you considered not clicking the link?
It's just seeing this JC thread all the time here that really bores the life out of me!
And yet you keep clicking and commenting on it! What's up, is the rest of the forum even more boring?
Pro tip: there is another page with more bike-related stuff and another one with stuff for sale on it too. and on the chat page, the ones about big diy projects are great fun.
Again, absolutely no one I know would agree with this, and that includes a fair number of GPs, hospital doctors, nurses, social workers, paramedics, ambulance drivers and others who work or used to work in the NHS. In the NHS the privatisation agenda is an accepted fact, and the general pubic are not far behind.
You do know that GP services have always been privatised? The question is why won't JC nationalise them?
The old boy is on Marr now - looking q smart
One of the panelists on the news quiz on Friday night summed it up, he doesn't actually remember he is leader of the labour party and gets confused when reporters ask him about stuff this Jeremy bloke has been saying.
Oh dear his understanding of Brexshit is vague to say the least
Lots of cliches but no answers and still peddling inequality despite it falling for some period now
Damn Tory press!
😉
And struggling on FoM
Marr having fun now!!!
"Do you still agree with yourself?" 😆
Biased media ^2 😉
Marr pi¥¥ taking is amusing. Subtle but hard hiting
(Horrible socks - did he get dressed in the dark?)
He's not very slick yet at avoiding the question "How are you going to pay for this?". Burbling on about "bargain-basements" and the like....
More entertainment coming up - Andrew Neil interviewing Piers Morgan about The Donald. 😯
I dont see the problem with talking about inequality even if it is falling. Its higher than most other countries. Corbyn wants the gap to decrease, we all do right?
More interesting than Corbyn on Marr is Len McClusky and Gererd Coyne both being interviewed on Pinnaers Poltics on Five Live about the leadership of UNITE. This shows exactly where the Labour Party is at the moment.
Len, like Corbyn, just sounds like a dinasaur who's political compass was calibrated in 1975, and hasn't moved an inch since. They're incapable of moving on, and engaging with the world as it is. It's no wonder they're totally failing to engage with voters. Who on earth still identifies with this type of language, and confrontational us and them attitude? Clearly not many people, judging from the polls
He has also introduced the phrase 'hard right' to describe those within the Labour Party who oppose the glorious leader.
At least Coyne addresses relevant issues facing labour voters, or former voters, and the direction of the party. For example, in the upcoming Copeland by-election, why would a worker at Sellafield vote for a party with a leader who has railed against the nuclear industry for decades.
Coyne was on Sohpy Ridge's show binners. Spoke sense as far as I am concerned.
Corbyn provided more comedy gold as Footballers are to be excluded from a wage cap as they "are only with their clubs a short time", like 15 years 😀 I don't have too many stats on CEOs but I'd wager on average they last substantially less than 10 in the top job. At least we understand where Jeremy's loyalties lie, forget business people it's wendy ballers all the way.
We have a workingpop of around 30-35m and the focus is on the wages of 100 of them!! What's that as a percentage? How many zeros after the decimal point??
Nice priorities!
Glad Jezza wasn't too downhearted about this morning,
On @MarrShow this morning we discussed @Theresa_May's chaotic Brexit, the #NHSCrisis & how Labour will build a more equal society #Marr pic.twitter.com/rpzasiB1Sk
Nuclear power = not a bad thing ( this week )
Mr Corbyn markedly softened his tone on nuclear power, insisting that Britain’s civil nuclear power stations would remain “for a long time” and could expand. In the past he has called for them to be decommissioned.
Not the first time that Labour has had a "pretty straight kinda guy" as leader.
@cranberry #sellout 😉 good call there is no way the UK meets pollution reduction targets without nuclear. Unfortunately the answer is not flogging the old ones but building new ones.
It's not Corbyn's priorities, it's the media's. As soon as the cap was mentioned, the media suddenly thought of a way in which they could get Labour's core audience even more alienated from Corbyn - by focussing on footballers.teamhurtmore - MemberWe have a workingpop of around 30-35m and the focus is on the wages of 100 of them!! What's that as a percentage? How many zeros after the decimal point??
Nice priorities!
The problem is, Corbyn should have had a [i]much much much [/i]better reply to this. Something like "It's interesting that when I mention high earners, people immediately focus on footballers and completely forget that the wealth of the richest X number of people in Britain is the same as Y% of population. That's the inequality that needs focussing on..."
Why did Jezza open with the wages of the FTSE 100 CEOs then?
Corbyn and his comrades in Alliance for Workers Liberty / Momentum are ABSOLUTELY obessed with the wealth of the few. It's central to their anti-capitalist beliefs. You don't think a Shadow Chancellor who is a self proclaimed Marxist is not obssesed with the wealth of a few ?
Corbyn has said footballers will e exclused from the salary cap, I fear for F1 drivers, golfers and rugby players though as they don't benefit from representing the "working mans" game. They will be lumped in with the CEOs and put to the financial sword. Wayne Rooney is ok though, phew !
I don't get your comments jambalaya. Which bits do you agree with and which bits don't you?
You seem to ridicule every aspect, which is exactly the problem. Why not focus on which bits you agree with and broaden the discussion and find solutions, instead of seeking to shut it down.
For example, if you don't agree that inequality needs managing, surely that's the important thing to focus on, not all the guff you posted above.
F1 drivers all live in Monaco. CEOs wages are out of control and they kind of decide what to pay themselves dont they? Shouldn't any decent CEO want his workers to be paid more?
Also are Non Doms included in inequality stats? What about shares as pay etc are they included in the figures?
Footballers getting paid loads fine by me. Super high unaffordable-to-most ticket prices not OK. (Yes I know stadiums sell out at these super high prices)
Corbyn and his comrades in Alliance for Workers Liberty / Momentum are ABSOLUTELY obessed with the wealth of the few.
Hold on.. that's a little bit disingenuous.
It's not the wealth of the few that's the problem. It's the ratio of their wealth to that of everyone else. In other words, that people are hoarding it for themselves instead of sharing it.
Quite an important point, don't you think?
F1 drivers all live in Monaco
And.pro cyclists etc. They travel the world and wouldn't spend 6 months in the UK, along with having a short time to use their skills. Want to see inequality try applying real world to lots of local councils
Shouldn't any decent CEO want his workers to be paid more?
No. That would cut into the profits of the company and the shareholder dividends.
It's not the wealth of the few that's the problem. It's the ratio of their wealth to that of everyone else. In other words, that people are hoarding it for themselves instead of sharing it.
How much do you earn, molgrips?
If it's more than me, howsabout just giving me some of it, then?
I'm fairly sure that is not how [s]jealousy[/s] [s]socialism[/s] jealousy works
Them have got it and I haven't - how can that be fair, just because they are cleverer, took more risks, invested more, were luckier than me.
If it's more than me, howsabout just giving me some of it, then?
Depends - how much do you earn?
If it's a pittance, then I already do. But that's pretty facetious, and an argument in favour of higher taxation and spending rather than this particular policy.
Point is that if a company does well, then everyone's contributed. So maybe they all deserve a part of the success?
Them have got it and I haven't - how can that be fair, just because they are cleverer, took more risks, invested more, were luckier than me.
All of the above are down to luck (mainly genetics combined with parenting/schooling/inheritance etc,.)
Difficult to stop one person being luckier than another but the rewards for that luck should not be so great.
(And no jealousy here, I earn a good wage but openly admit it is more luck than anything else - it is being able to admit it that comes with maturity although some people never can bring themselves to it)
Point is that if a company does well, then everyone's contributed. So maybe they all deserve a part of the success?
[b]COMMUNIST!!!!![/b]
I'm not saying (and neither is Jez) that people can't be rich.
Just that it's a bit off when people hoard tons of it and don't share it. Don't we teach our kids the same thing?
Just that it's a bit off when people hoard tons of it and don't share it.
Scrooge McDuck isn't real. They don't actually sit on a big pile of gold coins. Rich people invest their money in coke, hookers and.. business opportunities. They fund the businesses that we work for.
or example, if you don't agree that inequality needs managing, surely that's the important thing to focus on, not all the guff you posted above.
Alex I have posted on this. Raise minimum wage / living wage. Address GIG economy undermining wages and employment rights for example.
@molgrips wealth inequality is driven by house prices in the South East. It's not about "hoarding money" IMO.
Why has the rest of the country not responded better to the move to services from manufacturing ? We do have a problem with lack of regional diversification. Because state employers are so important outside the SE when the state's finances suffer its more noticable outside the SE. As a good MTB mate of mine said in his city in Dorset the prison and hospital are the dominant employers.
Nice to see a clear concise reaction to TM's statement on Brexit from the glorious leader
Like they'd asked a particularly befuddled old bloke in a retirement home for the terminally bewildered what he thought about it...
Poor old Emily Thornbury on Channel 4 news now (in Jezzas customary absence) trying to explain labours position, when there clearly isn't one. Or there are several different ones, daily
Did he have dandruff on his shoulder (Sky interview) ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/821359347015950336
Lady Nugee crashed hard on C4 news just now. Floundering.
Crap - don't have access to a TV at the moment, but I do love watching her make a fool of herself.
To summarise:
"What is the Labour Party's policy on Brexit?"
"Sorry, but I haven't got a clue"
"What is the stance of the Labour Party to today's statement then?"
"Nope.... sorry.... no idea on that either...."
Repeat to fade....
Nice to see a clear concise reaction to TM's statement on Brexit from the glorious leaderLike they'd asked a particularly befuddled old bloke in a retirement home for the terminally bewildered what he thought about it...
Yes, he should have been f***ing incandescent, but instead he's like some old fart in the library that can't find his flat cap.
He's been on ****ter and sounded slightly vexed
"What is the Labour Party's policy on Brexit?""Sorry, but I haven't got a clue"
"What is the stance of the Labour Party to today's statement then?"
"Nope.... sorry.... no idea on that either...."
Repeat to fade....
Tell me that there was weapons grade arrogance and a toxic level of smugness...
Actually, you don't need to, I *know* there was - she is incapable of anything else.
For someone with absolutely nothing to say, she did seem quite pleased with herself