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Aye, right and "the war has not necessarily developed to Japan's advantage" if we are doing proper understatement. 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Voice_Broadcast
🙂 thanks every day is a school day, had never heard that before ...
@molgrips wealth inequality is driven by house prices in the South East
You wot?
Are you saying that people are only getting richer becauses their houses are appreciating? You realise that for prices to go up people have to have the money to buy them at those higher prices.... So the house prices follow the wealth not the other way round.
Leveraged bet in a rising market, you take your income advantage say thats 50% and then multIply that by 5 times. Add in foreign demand for London property and ripple out effect ... keep doing that for 10 or 20 years and the numbers get big very quickly. I know many people with same job as me who chose to raise fheir families in central London and as a result have substantially higher net worth. All due to property out performance vs Surrey never mind further afield. Peckham has gone up 90% in 5 years.
IMO the main issue to address is rampant tax avoidance by companies (Facebook included) and unless we get a grip on the GIG economy soon it's going to suck billions out of HMRC. Salary caps are a daft idea. People can get paid what they want focus on taxing them and deal with the massive corporate loopholes.
Absolutely hopeless, and hapless at PMQ's yet again. Swatted aside by the Maybot.
On the whole Brexit issue he does seem to have taken the same role as during the referendum.... that of a disengaged and disinterested observer. Like its happening to other people in another country, and not really something he should be concerning himself with
The role of a backbencher?
The poor Lab lady on the daily politics gets roasted by A Neil. It's rather sad and desperate now.
They're discussing it on Five Live at the moment. Apparently the new cabinet .... you know the one that replaced the last one (the Blairites and traitors who had resigned en masse)? The shiny new one made up of Corbynite loyalists and friendly lefties.....?
Well apparently they are also now heartily sick of the glorious leaders endless procrastination, meetings that go on for days with no resolution, the total failure to be able to make a decision on policy, and just being absolutely useless.
More walkouts expected soon.
Not that it'll make a blind bit difference, of course. As we are constantly reminded on this thread, all that matters is his 'Mandate' from 'The Membership'....
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He sounded OK in the breif excerpts on WATO. May finished with an attack on his leadership which I'm sure is a seam worth mining.
"BBC Trust says Laura Kuenssberg report on Corbyn was inaccurate"
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/18/bbc-trust-says-laura-kuenssberg-report-on-jeremy-corbyn-was-inaccurate-labour
Well apparently they are also now heartily sick of the glorious leaders endless procrastination, meetings that go on for days with no resolution, the total failure to be able to make a decision on policy, and just being absolutely useless.
I'm a fan of Corbyn's point of view and constructive approach to problem solving rather than political mud slinging. However it's becoming increasingly clear that despite the positives, he's not the right person for the job. Given time, enough PLP members should realise this, you'd think, and there can be another leadership challenge.
Is there any polling on support within the party membership? Weren't the £3 members signed up for a year, meaning they'll lapse soon?
I'm a fan of Corbyn's point of view and constructive approach to problem solving
not bothering to solve them is indeed a unique approach, but I'm not sure how constructive it is Molls? 😆
Most politicians are "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG LA LA LA"
I'm a fan of the principle of hearing all sides and forming a consensus*. Not fashionable in politics today is it?
* not that Corbyn is necessarily pro-active enough to do this, but I think it's his general approach.
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This is a Political Sketch Writer, but in this case he is making a very strong point, not sure all the blame can be laid at JC's door - but he certainly has not helped.
Dont blame the puppet, blame the puppet masters?
(Cuckoo)
not sure all the blame can be laid at JC's door
Come on now. That sort of madness does not belong on this thread. EVERYTHING, from brexit, Donald Trump, to the shit weather is Jeremy Corbyn's fault. He tried to fix it by buying a new suit and going on telly more, but nothing will keep this lot happy.
The "leader" set's the tone, makes key decisions, inspires and well ... leads. Corbyn either does these badly or not at all. Numerous MPs have said the same thing, when faced with a complicated issue or conflicting demands his head goes down and he simply does nothing.
In the way that the Tories would rather the NHS is out of the geadlines (as they achieved in 2015 GE by promising £8bn to Labour's £2bn) Labour need immigration and Brexit to dissapear and the news to be about something they have a coherent policy on. What that is I couldn't tell you.
Binners - do you actually follow what Corbyn says? - I have seen several very good statements from him over leaving the EU.
Binners probably follows it in the same way as the Guardian columnists:
It all doomed Corbyn to a pretty miserable session, in which he got some of his facts wrong and in which May was able to treat him with a contempt that isn’t pretty, but which accurately reflected the fact that, [b]when it comes to Brexit, she knows what she wants and Corbyn doesn’t really know what he wants. [/b]And it showed.
He has been found wanting yet again on this key issue.
I have seen several very good statements from him over leaving the EU.
The problem is those statements contradict each other 8)
He really does just seem to say the first thing that comes into his head.
we are talking about Jezza not Trump, Jambas...
...oh, hang on, your correct 😀
Tristram Hunt also laying a size 11 in on the poor old fella - still what does he know, wasn't he a Blai***te (avoids swear filter)?
Where people get their news has a big effect on their perception of people...
as such we have "people dont like corbyn based on what they have read in right-wing media" shocking...
Also how is someone being in charge because a big majority of members of the parted voting for them a bad thing?
makes much more sense than someone putting their hand up and saying "Id like daves old job" and everyone else backing out so we end up with a PM nobody (not even the tories) voted for
as such we have "people dont like corbyn based on what they have read in right-wing media" shocking...Also how is someone being in charge because a big majority of members of the parted voting for them a bad thing?
Unfortunately he doesn't give them anything else to write about, no actual leading or direction, policy on the hoof as it were.
It's great so many people joined a political party to vote for him, question is did they join the right party or just hijack somebody else's?
question is did they join the right party or just hijack somebody else's?
I think they did, their blairites were the ones that hijacked it for a while
That could be called progress though. Still they are keeping him in a job, just a shame nobody is really being leader of the opposition at the moment. Still the momentum mob are happy even if nobody else is.
Where people get their news has a big effect on their perception of people...as such we have "people dont like corbyn based on what they have read in right-wing media" shocking...
That is right - if you close your eyes and ears and shout !No Pasaran! 3 times, yo find out he has a secret well of competence that simply doesn't get reported in the press, who would rather quote what he has said and what he has done.
Damn those dirty, [s]right-wing[/s] chosen by the people, in a free market, press
80% of the press in this country is right to far right in its outlook. ONly the morning star is leftwing
Aye comrade!
But no one forces anyone to buy a particular outlet's news ( except of course the BBC ). So that would suggest, given your figures that 80% of the people who want to read the news want to do so from a conservative viewpoint.
Long may it continue.
80% of the press in this country is right to far right in its outlook. ONly the morning star is leftwing
And judging by the polls/election results so are the people.
You can only complain about the media so much, the trumpette seemed to do OK without them.
The one major problem is he is not a leader. That is nothing about policy, viewpoint etc. He just doesn't know how to lead, get his points across or lead a party. Whine, moan and complain about the media all you want but it still doesn't change what he is.
I have seen several very good statements from him over leaving the EU.
He was meant to be a remainer though 😉
Odd that a convtiction (sic) politician cannot say what he really thinks about immigration because he needs to pander the large percentage of Xenophobes whose vote he needs. That's some convtiction....
Until they make their minds up on FoM they cannot add any value to the debate.
The one major problem is he is not a leader.
I think the major problem with him is that he is just not very bright. He doesn't seem to grasp the details of the situation and he doesn't think on his feet. To be outwitted by a dullard like May really takes some doing.
He was meant to be a remainer though
An old dinosaur, out of touch, desperate to re-fight long-lost battles, unable to accept reality - yep - he's a remainer.
😉
Latest polling shows that the Tories are now more trusted on the NHS than labour. The one solitary remaining area where labour ALWAYS polls ahead of the Tories is no more. Way to go Jezza!! Thats some achievement, given the present relentless 'Crisis in the NHS' headlines.
It can surely only be down to the fact that in the vast majority of peoples eyes the present labour 'leadership' couldn't be trusted to run a bath efficiently, or effectively. They just exude an air of muddled incompetence, or total irrelevance, in pretty much every area.
Surely not. The masses wil join the messiah following the rally call on ****ter
Labour created the NHS to care for us all – now it’s time to #CarefortheNHS. Join an event near you this Saturday ? labour.org.uk/nhs
Get some banners binners and join the crusade
cranberry 🙂
Binners in fairness to Corbyn I think the Tories where ahead on the NHS at 2015 GE, when you are aeen as incompetant on the Economy it flows through to everything else.
I read about Angela Rayner's speech, "Ideology never put food on my table" .... indeed and being in opposition you can achieve very little
They just exude an air of muddled incompetence, or total irrelevance, in pretty much every area.
I don't disagree, yet labour party MPs can't find anyone who can beat him. That's the real problem. I'm interested in what they and their ilk are doing to resolve this other than just whining from the sidelines or even worse buggering off to find new jobs.
I don't disagree, yet labour party MPs can't find anyone who can beat him. That's the real problem.
Agreed. Its a sad state of affairs.
@dazh not with the new rules, no. You have a group of committed activists dictating the direction of the party. I'd be willing to bet the Sunderland Leave voters would think McDonnell's Marxism is for the nutters. You can see that Momentum are now insisting you join Labour, this is a clear responce to the entryists / Cuckoo brigade.
Sadly for Labour this has worked out even worse (/better) that we thought. I thought it would be lefty fun and games until May Scottish elections and then he'd be kicked out.
tjagain - Member
80% of the press in this country is right to far right in its outlook. ONly the morning star is leftwing
Is that the morning star that celebrated the "liberation" of Aleppo a few weeks ago?
If thats an honest representation of what you consider left then I've just realised that I'm right wing for the first time in my life.
not with the new rules, no. You have a group of committed activists dictating the direction of the party.
Rubbish. The power of the trots is vastly over-estimated, and momentum aren't even affiliated so how can they 'dictate direction' (aside from the fact that they're more interested in arguing amongst themselves about voting procedures)? This is an easy and convenient excuse for the PLP and others who still refuse to admit and address the real problem.
Rubbish. The power of the trots is vastly over-estimated, and momentum aren't even affiliated so how can they 'dictate direction' (aside from the fact that they're more interested in arguing amongst themselves about voting procedures)?
Why? they managed to put their man in charge, they don't need to influence people.
This is an easy and convenient excuse for the PLP and others who still refuse to admit and address the real problem.
So what is the real problem?
Get some banners binners
Easy for you to say 🙂
Well the morning star is a step up from WingsoverScotland!
Indeed what is the "real" problem?
[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/01/19/bbc-found-to-have-misrepresented-jeremy-corbyn-as-competent-opposition-leader/ ]BBC found to have ‘misrepresented’ Jeremy Corbyn as competent opposition leader[/url]
Yawn momentum trots etc its bullshit. Labour party members voted in droves for Corbyn because he was the best candidate. The vast majority of Labour members have nothing to do with momentum.