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Is Corbyn so tainted (unfairly or otherwise) that it would be best for the Labour Party for him to step aside?
Shouldn't have been allowed to be anything more than a perpetual back bench protestor, and yet here we are.
He's a liability, he's not a leader, and his commie coterie aren't going to appeal to the swing voters Labour need to actually form a government. He won't step aside though. He'll have to be dragged out.
...commie coterie...
{In the spirit of this thread most prolific posters...}
Lets keep it simple. Which one invents laws to lock up their political opponents?
Were Straight Left democratic socialists, or communists? I’ll happily acknowledge that they got wise and saw the Labour Party as the only possible vehicle to use to actually change things, but, has that really made them democratic socialists, like most of the rest of the Labour movement?
Some background reading for those not familiar with the history of Milne & Murray, as regards Straight Left…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Left
That’s a welcome call from the Labour Party, in my opinion. Glad to be able to disagree with you once again Binners! I was getting worried.
The Labour Party – courageously addressing the real issues uppermost in peoples minds, once again 😂
Those living near the grouse moors and experiencing flooding might disagree with you.
Binners the issue of grouse shooting damaging the moors and flooding towns in the hills is a massive one. To the people who get flooded every other year in places like Todmorden and Hebden Bridge I can guarantee you it's a much more important issue than the free movement of labour in the EU and trade tariffs.
And actually, the EU compounds the issue by giving the shooting estates money from CAP so you're on very thin ice on this one.
UK decision to let them get that money Dazh.
https://fullfact.org/environment/does-government-subsidise-grouse-shooting/
UK decision to let them get that money
It still comes from CAP, the fact that our govt sets the priorities as to where CAP money goes is irrelevant as to whether it's an important issue. To the people in these towns, like millions of others, local issues which directly affect them are more important than international trade and immigration policy. I'm afraid they just don't care about customs unions and single markets.
Is Corbyn so tainted (unfairly
or otherwise) that it would be best for the Labour Party for him to step aside?
I would say so.
the fact that our govt sets the priorities as to where CAP money goes is irrelevant
It is? So shifting blame to the EU for decisions made in the UK has had no effect at all? And why are you doing it? Plenty of things the EU gets wrong, but why paint UK decisions as EU ones? What’s the agenda? Why join in with that?
To the people in these towns, like millions of others, local issues…
You come across just ever so slightly patronising Dazh, if you don’t mind me saying. People, even folk in these towns, can see beyond their own little world you know. Some even occasionally leave the shire, or, heaven forfend, have friends, relatives and colleagues born elsewhere. Imagine that?!? Out of towners, mixing with our own local stock.
I would say so.
Indeed, it is irrelevant if Corbyn’s time is up because of his own mistakes, or those of others, or just bad luck timing wise, or cumulative unfair criticism of him, or time wasted having to battle others in the party who never wanted him to be leader, or perhaps because all leaders who have lost elections struggle to win others in future, but, where as he may have been the right man to move the party on a few years ago, he is the wrong man to lead the party now and a barrier to its success.
slightly
😂
So shifting blame
Wasn't shifting the blame, although if CAP results in lots of money to be given to grouse estates then we're better off without it IMO.
You come across just ever so slightly patronising Dazh
That is very amusing. You and others have spent the last 1000 pages saying brexit voters didn't understand what they were voting for etc, right through to now saying everyone has got their priorities wrong because brexit is the only thing we should be worried about. And you say I'm patronising?
Honestly, this confirms again to me that the whole remain side of the debate has tragically disappeared up it's own backside. Which is a shame, because the remain argument used to be pretty much cut and dried. Now all I hear is wailing about how it's all Corbyn's fault, and if it wasn't for him everything would have been ok. It's pretty pathetic really.
dazh - thats just on here that you get this peculiar delusion about corbyn
tjagain, Jo Swinson Saying she would not go into a coalition with the Tories under Boris Johnson, or any party supporting Brexit.
Progress! Stil a hypocrite tho if she wants a second EU ref but not a second Scottish one
"The SNP have put forward this idea of IndyRef2 at subsequent elections and they have lost seats and lost votes."
Errmmm- the SNP have a majority / are the largest party in every election possible. @they have far more legitimacy and votes and seats in every forum than the lib dems.
Also still refusing to apologise for her part in 10 000 deaths and impoverishment of millions to give tory supporters tax cuts
Its OK tho - she is going to lose her seat with a bit of luck. Foul woman. She needs to join the tory party - her natural home
tj, I am not defending her. I know little about Jo Swinson, you appear to know a bit more, but a cursory Google search of Jo Swinson and tory coalition quickly brought that article to the top of the page which shows her ruling it out despite your claim. Could you be wrong about other things?
"Ok so she has ruled out coalition but......!"
Its from July but not something I have seen before. I stand corrected that she has ruled it out but its conditional on Johnson being in charge
I have a deep dislike of the woman tho because of her lack of repentance for the harm she has done- which must colour my views.
Of course I could be wrong about other things - much of political debate is opinion not fact.
it’s all Corbyn’s fault, and if it wasn’t for him everything would have been ok
Is that your grouse?
I don't think anyone's said that. I would say we're a long way up shit creek and any paddling he's managed to do has been in the wrong direction.
More seriously, building a cross parliament group to vote down the government should be just about withing grasp. He may be doing all kinds of wizzy behind the scenes stuff to achieve this, but blimey it's a long way behind the scenes if he is.
Maybe he does think he can win a post-crash out election, to deliver proper socialism? God knows I'd want him to win it compared to alternatives. But he won't.
john -several folk on here are blaming Corbyn and voting tory lite instead because its all his fault
Let's face it, it was a shock that he won the leadership contest,even to him.I was always under the impression that JC intended to reform the party moving power from the PLP back to the grassroots/membership so they had a greater say in shaping policy etc. making it less centralised.The subsequent challenge to his leadership probably only reinforced this view. Surely his original plan was about paving the way for a successor so that those with " radical left wing" policy views stood a chance ? IIRC he seemed ambivalent on whether he would even contest the 2020 election.The snap 2017 election, when let's face it ,he was expected to be electorally annihilated changed all that and his popularity on the hustings and his " personality cult" confounded many critics,but not Binners.In ordinary times I don't think that JC would contest the 2022 election but any succession planning is on hold as BJ may call a general election any time.If Labour win then he will stay on but if not he'll exit and no doubt someone with similar "radical left wing" views. less baggage, a sharper suit/twin set and better media presence will get elected as leader and maybe Binners will be happy.
brexit is the only thing we should be worried about
I have never said that.
Lots of other things I have never said in your little piece as well.
Now, was there a point to you trying to link grouse shooting to the EU, rather than except it as a very British issue?
Now all I hear is wailing about how it’s all Corbyn’s fault
No one thinks Corbyn is singlehandly delivering Brexit, but, in this thread about Corbyn, illustrating why people are disappointed with him without reference at all to Brexit is unlikely, admittedly. It’s not the only reason though, he’s just a disappointment… three years to win over the trust of the public has resulted in… well…not enough of it going on… and even losing voters who were previously on side. The gap between Labour members and Corbyn, on the issue of the EU (which YOU brought into this grouse shooting thing) is a very obvious example of why Corbyn is not bringing to the Labour Party what he promised… unfortunately. A more member led party would suit me just fine, as I’m to the left of many of the MPs, just as the party members are… but all Corbyn meant by it is the members have the power to accept the “strategy” of Milne&Co, or lump it.
thats just on here that you get this peculiar delusion about corbyn
Sadly it’s not. I hear a lot of people in real life saying similar. And Twitter is even worse with the whole FBPE thing transforming from what was a well intentioned but pointless bit of virtue signalling to a full on stream of Corbyn-is-the-devil fantasism.
The remain side of the argument has been hubristically detached from reality from day one. They never thought they would lose, they then wouldn’t - and still don’t - accept that they lost, then they make up all sorts of convoluted arguments to say the original result is invalid, and now when it looks like it is finally going to happen, they blame the wrong person/people. I guess people need their scapegoats,
One or two shrewd articles popping up in the Guardian recently.
"If it is so important that no deal is prevented at all costs, if this is not just all political posturing, then the “no Corbyns” sign has to come down off the treehouse."
Binners the issue of grouse shooting damaging the moors and flooding towns in the hills is a massive one. To the people who get flooded every other year in places like Todmorden and Hebden Bridge I can guarantee you it’s a much more important issue than the free movement of labour in the EU and trade tariffs.
Yet they probably should care about Brexit given that a fair chunk of the flood defence funding is coming from the EU, and the recent applications to UK Gov have been rejected.
Yet they probably should care about Brexit given that a fair chunk of the flood defence funding is coming from the EU
I’ve been waiting for this sort of comment. Shouldn’t we all be thankful that the EU is there to protect us and provide the things our own government tell us are unaffordable? Well that’s the problem. People quite rightly want and expect their own government to do these things. In many respects they see EU funding as charity. They don’t want charity, they want to stand on their own two feet*, and that’s why they voted for brexit.
*I don’t subscribe to this myself BTW. I have no problem with EU funding, but you have to understand and accept this fact if you want to understand brexit.
a fair chunk of the flood defence funding is coming from the EU
Err... you do know where the EU gets that money from? Don't you?
a fair chunk of the flood defence funding is coming from the EU
Err… you do know where the EU gets that money from? Don’t you?
I always laugh at this. After Brexit, we won't see any of that money. We will still get to pay the same taxes, but the money will go to billionaire Conservative party backers.
"Trickle down", etc, etc.
you do know where the EU gets that money from? Don’t you?
Getting diverted towards the EU thread here but as oldnpastit says. The problem is although it could be argued the money goes to the EU and back again if it didnt go that route that it wouldnt be used to help those deprived communities. Admittedly some money might go to the area in terms of more subsidies for the grouse moors owners to trash not only their land but everywhere near them but thats about it.
“Trickle down”, etc, etc.
In fairness in these cases without flood defences it is more than just a trickle down.
Err… you do know where the EU gets that money from? Don’t you?
Razor sharp. As ever.
Pfft!! Keep up at the back.
Grouse Moors are just, like, soooooooooo last week. On with the issues exorcising the nation even more than that....
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1161563464504156160?s=21
I think we got through another day without mentioning the B word, comrades.
Nothings happened on that front today, has it? No high profile Tories at each other like rats in a sack? No. I’ll scoot off back to the allotment then. Same time again tomorrow? We’ve not done rural buses for a while, have we?
Heaven forbid that the leader of the opposition should be concerned about the country's educational system! Whatever next?
Fair play to him... he got the university admissions system a footnote mention at the end of the today programme
They’d spent the previous hour discussing the big bust up with Hammond and Johnson over Brexit and the chaos around no deal planning.
One of Corbyn’s pygmies was on and asked for Labours position on the no deal preparations
It doesn’t actually have a position on it, but ‘the matter was being discussed’
The current system of predicted grades gives the wealthy a leg up and penalises disadvantaged students and those from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Any evidence for this? Will universities still be giving lower “offers” to students from poorly performing colleges/schools who impress when face to face? Actually, @northwind could help us understand the issues around this…
As for Brexit… Corbyn made it clear he would wait ‘till September… expect radio silence ‘till then at least (while Cummings is firing on all channels for the Leave team taking back control).
I’m sure Dom will have bought him a new watering can, or something, as a thank you for vacating the news agenda for the next month and giving them a clear run for their ‘No Deal’ propaganda
Corbyn wants Brexit - particularly a no deal Brexit - as bad as any member of the ERG. They are different sides of the same coin.
What he’s hoping for is for the Tories to tear themselves apart & GE which he’ll hope to win so he can implement a red unicorn Brexit.
If you want to stop Brexit you’ve really one party to vote for.....& it’s neither Labour or Tory.
Stop with that utter nonsense - do you really beieve that? totally ridiculous
True. Ridiculous to think that someone who spent his entire career (such as it is) railing against the E.U. could possibly be a Brexiteer?
You know he’s on holiday for a couple of months? Same as during the referendum campaign, then?
While Boris and Dom put everything in place for no deal
Is that picture a composite of your mind?
True. Ridiculous to think that someone who spent his entire career (such as it is) railing against the E.U. could possibly be a Brexiteer?
Terrific nuance.
BTW you have an alternative set of people to vote for. They have 13 seats. Go for it - subvert democracy all you want.
While Boris and Dom put everything in place for no deal
Right from the start Labour have been well against no deal.
But just not very successful at trying to stop it. I remember a couple of votes where they just sat on their hands.
Front bench isn’t exactly leading the charge.
Right from the start Labour have been well against no deal.
Yet have done the sum total of **** all to stop it, once they voted to facilitate it, including ruling out any political alliances to do so. All very Brexity.
Liek with all politicians, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.
He's a Breiteer.
Interesting article in todays Guardian by Rafael Behr which sums up a lot of the Corbyn enthusiasts views on here
After the Brexit storm, a new political alliance could emerge
Especially this...
For Labour, the Lib Dems have always been a contemptible nuisance: plastic progressives; squatters who make it harder to evict Tories from office. The remain alliance will be viewed the same way and attacked as enablers of conservatism. Some hostility is rational given that the project’s purpose is to rival Labour for the status of principal national opposition. But giving venomous expression to that enmity is counterproductive. There is a strain of piety on the left that refuses to believe in valid political expressions of compassion that are not Labour-branded.
Since Corbyn does not identify himself as a remainer, his diehard supporters are obliged to see remain itself as a suspicious category – a tactical diversion by soulless centrists who cannot be sincerely worried about inequality or distressed by austerity because if they were they would surely be supporting Labour.
Bolstered by that moral arrogance, the official opposition party expects – nay, demands – that pro-Europeans do their duty and get behind the Labour leader as the only feasible candidate to replace a wicked Tory.
Corbyn wants Brexit – particularly a no deal Brexit – as bad as any member of the ERG.
And there in a nutshell is the current state of the remain side of the debate. Embarrassing.
Little wonder leave won the referendum with this sort of analysis, and if this is the best you can do I have no doubt a second referendum will go the same way. Not that we will get a new referendum, because those who claim to want one are childishly refusing to vote for the one party who can provide it.
Len McClusky is on the world at one at the moment.
He's reiterating labours determination to 'honour the result of the referendum' and leave the EU
How? ... Red Unicorns, comrades
Yet have done the sum total of **** all to stop it, once they voted to facilitate it, including ruling out any political alliances to do so.
A cursory look at the indicative votes clearly shows you are talking shit.
No surprise there.
And there in a nutshell is the current state of the remain side of the debate.
Sorry Dazh but that is also rubbish. There are plenty of sane remainers who dont spout that rubbish. Its just some are so driven by a hatred of Corbyn that they seem happy for the rabid right to push through a hard brexit. I suspect its in a hope that Labour will get wiped out and they can return to the glory days where only a small part of the population was courted for votes.
Its just some are so driven by a hatred of Corbyn that they seem happy for the rabid right to push through a hard brexit.
Joking aside, what can I do to stop a no deal Brexit? My instinct is not a lot.
Corbyn has got more sway than me. Yet he is seemingly doing nothing to stop it, he's not even talking about it to show the UK what the Tories are doing. And this is why a lot of people are pretty damn annoyed that the leader of the opposition is seemingly not trying to oppose a policy that will do long term damage to huge parts of the country, large parts of which contain the people that Labour should be standing up for.
Corbyn has got more sway than me. Yet he is seemingly doing nothing to stop it,
He can, for example, start speaking with the Cabinet Secretary to see whether the suspected approach would be invalid or not.
There can be negotiations with other parties and tory MPs which wouldnt have daily updates provided. My guess is thats happening although its going to be hamstrung by the LibDems equally obstinate approach and unwillingness to work directly.
A cursory look at the indicative votes clearly shows you are talking shit.
Horses and stable doors spring to mind.
We're going to crash out of the EU because it was the default once MPs had voted to trigger article 50
Remember that vote? The one where Corbyn 3 line whipped his MPs to support it, along with another two votes to confirm leaving the customs union and the single market
All looks pretty Brexity to me. And paying lip-service to trying to prevent no deal afterwards, while doing nothing whatsoever, is convincing absolutely nobody about Labours No Deal opposing credentials. Well.... nobody outside the bunker, anyway
My guess is that's happening
That's part of the problem, you, like all of us, are guessing.
He needs to be out in the press talking about it, convincing people that he's working his proverbial's off to stop no deal. He needs to be making noise as to why it's so damaging to Labour constituencies, he needs to be telling us what he's personally doing to stop it, he generally needs to be talking about it. But he's not, and that concerns a great number of people.
There are plenty of sane remainers
I'm sure there are, but they are being drowned out by the nutters and obsessives. I certainly don't hear many sensible remain arguments any more, and not just on here. All I hear now is 'if Corbyn had done something it would have been stopped' or words to that effect. Total fantasy, but easier than admitting that it's a very hard problem to solve without some form of compromise.
But he’s not, and that concerns a great number of people.
Okay, tell me. What use would that do? Looking at the Libdem feed its just a bunch of spurious rubbish with nothing of substance.
Greens are the only ones who have pushed anything recently and even that had to be a soundbite friendly piece to get some discussion which then, really, went nowhere.
The tory rebels seem a bit more interesting but again nothing really usable there.
By the by, if you look at the various Labour politicans it has been made clear talks are happening although in what detail who knows. However I wouldnt be expecting press releases on that until something is finalised.
All I hear now is ‘if Corbyn had done something it would have been stopped’
You hear it, but no one has said it. I have to wonder if this is trolling.
I’m sure there are, but they are being drowned out by the nutters and obsessives.
Thats not dissimilar to the leave side though. Empty vessel makes the most noise and all that.
Although its exacerbated here on the remain side since you have plenty of "moderates" whose frothing hatred of Corbyn makes things worse. I suspect with some of them if he had announced he wanted to revoke article 50 they would become strong leavers.
Remember in many cases these are the swing voters who were courted by Blair and then Cameron and have got used to being treated as far more significant than they actually are.
Those pesky swing voters, eh? What do Labour need them for anyway?
All I hear now is ‘if Corbyn had done something it would have been stopped’
He now says he opposes no deal, but supports leaving with a deal.
Well in that case, he could have whipped his MP's to support Mays deal. He didn't do that. He did the opposite, thus making No Deal the default position, since he'd whipped his MP's to trigger article 50.
Since the Tory party takeover was completed and they plunge us gleefully towards an increasingly certain catastrophic crash out, Corbyn seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth, other than for his Twitterbot random subject generator.
I mean, he's hardly ever been much of a presence, but at this critical juncture, where Boris, Dom and co are being very busy boys, he is now totally invisible
I wonder if he could be tempted out for some kebab awards?
In the meantime, its left to Phillip Hammond to be HM opposition
Those pesky swing voters, eh? What do Labour need them for anyway?
As it turns out to **** things up.
"centre" got moved significantly rightwards.
Core constituents ended up looking for alternatives.
Then we end up with people looking surprised when we end up in the mess we are.
Well in that case, he could have whipped his MP’s to support Mays deal.
Wow. You are going full Maybot press secretary there.
Do you really not understand that "leaving with a deal." doesnt actually mean "any deal no matter how shit".
Which bit of 'the EU will not reopen negotiations' are you struggling with?
there isn't a bit of small print that says 'unless you have a beard and grow runner beans', as much as the messiah seems to believe there is.
Us bitter remoaners have said right from the off that any deal would be what the EU said it was going to be, and their attitude would be that.... "There you go! Take it or ****in' leave it!"
Yet somehow there will be magic red unicorns flying over Dover once PM Jezza heads to Brussels?
Remember in many cases these are the swing voters who were courted by Blair and then Cameron and have got used to being treated as far more significant than they actually are.
Your other option is to ignore them and not get into power. To get into power you have to find a way of appealing to people who wouldn't ordinarily vote for you. Blair did this wonderfully, Cameron did it well too. You can of course look to the extremes of the right or left, but up until recently, this was not seen as a wise choice.
I’ve been waiting for this sort of comment. Shouldn’t we all be thankful that the EU is there to protect us and provide the things our own government tell us are unaffordable? Well that’s the problem. People quite rightly want and expect their own government to do these things. In many respects they see EU funding as charity. They don’t want charity, they want to stand on their own two feet*, and that’s why they voted for brexit.
It's their houses that will be flooding; I live at the top of Rastrick so floods just mean it takes me longer to get to work.
Their own government has just rejected the EA funding applications so I wish them all the best come the winter storms and standing on their own two feet.
Blair did this wonderfully, Cameron did it well too. You can of course look to the extremes of the right or left, but up until recently, this was not seen as a wise choice
The problem is, as our current situation shows us, that Blair and Cameron went for a tactic which ended up with lots of people feeling disenfranchised.
There is a very good reason why Blair walked when he did. He didnt want to get the boot.
There is a very good reason why Cameron ended in tears. He screwed up the bet.
There are no easy answers. PR is probably the best bet but the "ignore them and not get into power" is a poor cliche which only really addresses getting power as opposed to getting policies enacted. In some cases being in opposition is better if the party in power is having to bend towards your policies to keep in power. As opposed to what happened under Blair where they tacked rightwards heavily.
In some cases being in opposition is better if the party in power is having to bend towards your policies to keep in power. As opposed to what happened under Blair where they tacked rightwards heavily.
I completely agree with this. The opposition can shape policy if the party in power feel threatened that they will/could take votes from them. traditionally, that has meant a Labour government has been stopped going to far left by a Tory opposition and vice-versa. The problem at the moment is that Labour are no threat to the Tories, they are more fearful of losing votes to The Brexit Party.
If/when Labour start making the right noises to become a threat again then maybe Tory policy will move left slight.
This is all just going around in circles… circles that end with a No Deal Brexit, and Labour thinking they can come to power afterwards.
Two key moments that made it clear to me that the idea of avoiding a No Deal Brexit AND Labour coming to power was never part of this long term Milne&Co strategy (I won’t say Labour strategy because it’s not an agreed Labour wide plan at all)…
- the votes/whipping on the Cherry amendment, which aimed to do nothing more than give Parliament the power to pull the plug on the A50 process at the very last minute if that proved to be the only way to stop a No Deal Brexit.
- the failure of the Leader Of The Opposition to call a vote as regards the new No Deal government, despite ministers resigning not just to vote on it, but openly calling on the speaker to let parliament have that vote.
Even a Labour leader who wanted a measured withdrawal from the EU could have supported both of these measures. They were the two last best chances to avoid No Deal. Time is just about up for any other measure now.
Well in that case, he could have whipped his MP’s to support Mays deal.
Wow x2.
Come on, be honest, if he had done this what would you and the other corbyn obsessives on here have said?
At the time? We'd probably have gone ballistic.
But then we didn't really realise that not too much later it'd be looking like the least worst option.
Now? As we drift towards the disaster of No Deal, with the Brexiteers whooping with glee at the prospect and the leader of HM Opposition gone AWOL again...?
And there in a nutshell is the current state of the remain side of the debate. Embarrassing.
Corbyn is as much of a facilitator of Brexit as any one. It is delusional to think otherwise.
All his political life he’s voted against the E.U. The evidence is right in front of your eyes.
What more proof of his disdain for it do you need??
At the time? We’d probably have gone ballistic.
But then we didn’t really realise that not too much later it’d be looking like the least worst option.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Complaining? Given the alternative of No Deal, right now I’d take it every time.
Things have shifted very far to the right, very quickly, with Grandads tacit approval
Just seen on channel 4 news. that Johnson May be planning an 11th hour vote on Mays Deal knowing that s load of MPs would vote for it, rather than watch their useless Brexiteer leader sit and nod through no deal.
Angela Rayner was then on saying that in the event of a general election, Labour would not consider cooperating with other parties to defeat the Tories and that if there were a second referendum, Labour is still not committed, as a policy, to campaign for remain
He’s a Brexiteer who is, at best, ambivalent about a no deal Brexit and actually what he really wants and has always wanted all along
Some people need to open their eyes
It’s coming to something when Phillip Hammond is now acting as the official opposition
Complaining? Given the alternative of No Deal, right now I’d take it every time.
We agree again. I’ve always said the solution is a deal, whether that’s May’s, Corbyn’s or someone else’s. It’s the only feasible option.
Hopefully that time hasn’t past. It looks like the only non-mental option.
I think Jezza would still 3 line whip ‘his’ MP’s to vote against it, preferring red unicorns, which will never happen, so no deal, but I doubt he’d have much luck next time around.
Let’s now hope there is a next time.
No deal would be a disaster, but it seems to be what the leaders of the two main parties (and their little cabals) really want
And ‘The Deal’ is the deal. It won’t change, no matter who’s in charge.
It was always going to be thus
Corbyn knows that. So he knows his approach would ultimately mean no deal
Him and Johnson are two cheeks of the same self-regarding, self-absorbed narcissistic arse. Both enjoying their (equally inexplicable) personality cults, and **** the consequences for everyone else
Corbyn written to other leaders on VONC and temporary unity government to extend A50 and to call a GE. Also commit Labour to 2nd ref with remain on the ballot
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1161751909788782594?s=19
Yeh - a move in right direction!
And ‘The Deal’ is the deal. It won’t change, no matter who’s in charge.
More grade A bollocks. The EU have made it perfectly clear that a new government with differnt red lines could have a different deal ie want to stay in the CU and SM you can -
Why keep on stating as fact utter bollocks.
Mays deal cannot be renegiotiated because she wouldn't change the red lines
“I am ready to adapt our offer should the UK red lines change,” Barnier said in a speech to the Institute of International and European Affairs in Brussels. “Our objective has always been to find an agreement with the UK, not against.”
About *ing time!
No mention of any commitment to remain
So... make me PM and I will pursue a red unicorn Brexit
FFS!
They’ll all, quite rightly, tell him to * off
Another open goal spooned into row z then?
So the principle of ensuring Brexit, while holding others responsible for it now embraces all parties, not just the Tory’s?
They (Seamas and co) really must think we’ve all just fallen out of a ****ing tree
Oh look Binners - a bunch of your favourite labour right wingers want to vote for mays deal now
But of course its all corbyns fault!
They go along with the other deluded bunch who voted with the tories to stop parliament gaining control of proceedings to prevent no deal against the labour whip
But its all Corbyns fault