Jeremy Corbyn

[quote=big_n_daft ] As Danny DeVito said recently - "Why don't you guys want to pay your tax?
https://order-order.com/2015/07/23/douglas-carswell-v-owen-jones/

The best you can do to refute that is Carswell being disingenuous? Typical right winger thinking though to only be able to think of the individual rather than the collective.

Hint: traditionally your next gambit is to accuse lefties of wanting everybody else to pay more tax.

[quote=greentricky ]Yet somehow despite being abysmal at thinking on her feet or performing in challenging situations, she manages to sell to the masses that she is the safe pair of hands for doing negotiations and they buy it

the masses are clueless. they'd be more engaged in the process if the elections were ran in a big brother/ x-factor/ britain's got talent format

the masses are clueless. they'd be more engaged in the process if the elections were ran in a big brother/ x-factor/ britain's got talent format

the masses are clueless.

Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services

big_n_daft - Member

Big n daft, do you hold May to the same level of scrutiny for supporting state sponsors of terrorism such as Saudi?

It's on the glum-bucket thread, don't cross the streams

I think I can guess the POV of somebody posting Guido videos of Carswell being a dick.

Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services

If it didn't agree with you, would you think it was unbiased?

looks like a bit of a masterstroke this....... It's now open season on the Maybot on Twitter for 'treating the voters with contempt'

Apparently, the Tories have decided that no May is better than a bad May 😆

If it didn't agree with you, would you think it was unbiased?

There is nothing to disagree with. It is a fact based document on what the parties are offering/intending to do, put in very simple easy to read manner.

So perhaps June will see the end of May?

Last day of May today

shes just been asked if she will resign if its a hung parliament

Im telling you the Tories wont hang about, - Dominic Raab Tory minority leader in 2 weeks time 😉

Nah I still think she will win the Tory press are gonna start turning the 'Corbyns actually a hamas suicide bomber guff' up to 11 now

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Nah I still think she will win the Tory press are gonna start turning the 'Corbyns actually a hamas suicide bomber guff' up to 11 now

How much of it will be preaching to the converted though. Hoping the TV debate will actually be a debate about what the parties will be doing and how rather than asking them all about things they said in 1983...

There is nothing to disagree with. It is a fact based document on what the parties are offering/intending to do, put in very simple easy to read manner.

That favours anybody promising the moon on a stick!

Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services

Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately I think 90% of people would file it straight in the landfill bin - because its closer to the door than the paper recycling bin.

I can't wait to see the expression on her face as every single reporter and interviewer asks here what she's so scared of? As the rictus grin once again gives way to the death stare, and another name is added to 'zee list' 😆

#maybot earlier

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That favours anybody promising the moon on a stick!

They can do that today, and depending which party will get the support or the sniping from media. Would still be up for scrutiny.

Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately I think 90% of people would file it straight in the landfill bin - because its closer to the door than the paper recycling bin.

Possibly, but would also be on TV, billboards, buses etc,. If you don't provide unbiased basic facts on what the parties are actually offering how can we ever expect the clueless to be anything but clueless.

Perhaps she should be asked why she didn't want a public inquiry into the [url= https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf ]Litvinenko assassination [/url] which had put many UK citizens in danger.

Big n daft, do you hold May to the same level of scrutiny for supporting state sponsors of terrorism

In terms of arms sales to regimes around the world we are indeed conflicted, there is oversight, and even if the system is flawed there is a system. Labour are virtue signaling but have yet to state the value of the licences that would be rescinded of the current £3.5bn

Whatever is happening in Yemen, it's under reported, it's part of the Sunni/Shia divide in the region and is likely to be complex with
No simple answer, whether we supply to the Saudi regime is up for debate

I think I can guess the POV of somebody posting Guido videos of Carswell being a dick.

????

Who would want to be in Amber Rudd's shoes 😆

Lamb to the slaughter....

Although a cunning move by Corbyn, only done based on his current popularity.

No simple answer, whether we supply to the Saudi regime is up for debate

Perhaps she should be asked why she didn't want a public inquiry into the Litvinenko assassination which had put many UK citizens in danger.

Indeed even Corbyn called for one on Russia Today...... didn't he?

http://www.politico.eu/article/alexander-litvinenko-assassination-vladimir-putin-jeremy-corbyn/

Yes they are. But instead of parties politically slagging each off, media trying to influence etc,. it would be better to have non politically aligned and non-biased information broadcast, sent to all in post etc,. so at least the clueless are given a chance to understand what the parties are offering, what the differences are, what it means to each person, what it means to public services

if it doesn't fit on the side of a bus...

Indeed even Corbyn called for one on Russia Today...... didn't he?

yeah that link is 100% smoking gun 😯

it says absolutely nothing, im sure you can do better than that

it says absolutely nothing, im sure you can do better than that

But Corbyn called for a full public inquiry, didn't he, especially when this came out,

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-04-12/british-detective-i-was-poisoned-investigating-litvinenko-murder/

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there must be a way you can actually link it to corbyn in some way, no matter how tenuous

back to google you go....

Taking questions during a campaign visit in Bath, Mrs May said Mr Corbyn "seems to be paying far more attention to how many appearances on telly he's doing, and he ought to be paying a little more attention to thinking about Brexit negotiations".

Can she actually hear what is coming out of her mouth?

Perhaps she knows she ****ed it up completely and has already blown it? 🙂

[quote=kerley ]Taking questions during a campaign visit in Bath, Mrs May said Mr Corbyn "seems to be paying far more attention to how many appearances on telly he's doing, and he ought to be paying a little more attention to thinking about Brexit negotiations".
Can she actually hear what is coming out of her mouth?

was that a tacit signal that she thinks she's going to lose?

ol' spineless and shaky malfunctioned again. Linton has his work cut out, needs **** big dead cat to dig her out of this one.

It'll be worth reading the London Evening Standard, if you haven't done so already. They say revenge is a dish best served cold. George Osbourne is having a field day with May! He'll be absolutely loving this.

Actually ... it's a sign of how far we've traveled down the wormhole when you find yourself looking favourably at George Osbourne 😯

Angela Rayner on May: "This prime minister is for turning but not for turning up."

😆

I've always had the feeling Murdoch doesn't like being on the losing side. I wonder if there's a tipping point for him ?

Given you can still get almost 4/1 at the bookies on any result other than a Tory majority, I suspect that's a way off yet - but them I'm quite tempted by a punt on NOM at 11/2.

I think Murdoch is safe- hes backed the right party just not the right leader

May will win, less than she hoped even if she does well her party will be rattled by her poor showing

surge in bets being placed on Johnson being PM, apparently

Rudd is obviously angling herself as a replacement- Crosby obvs has faith in her, after tonight she might even be the defacto face of the campaign!

either way the rightwing press will be working on the next way to attack corbyn;

chaotic corbyn vs Strong & stable is now a joke
IRA thing hasnt stuck, polls still narrowing
todays press (mail, express, telegraph etc) back on immigration and using the all powerful xenophobia tool

May has the look of someone who's finger has just gone through the toilet paper.

She'll win, but she's already packing her bags.

Angela Rayner on May: "This prime minister is for turning but not for turning up."

That's a bit unfair. Tories say the PM is "talking to voters, not swapping soundbites with 6 other politicians"

Theresa May, well known for her love of talking to voters and hatred of soundbites.

Jeremy "Leicester City" Corbyn?

There's a very important proposal in the Labour manifesto that hasn't received any press coverage:

Labour has effectively committed itself to ending the corporate secrecy of the UK's overseas crown dependencies and territories - i.e, to bring an end the the biggest tax havens and secrecy jurisdictions in the world. As anybody who has done work in the field of anti-corruption (or anybody who has read the excellent Treasure Islands) knows, a huge portion of the world's criminal money, including that of corrupt politicians globally, is hidden and recycled through the UK's tax haven system. It has deeply undermined democracies around the world, facilitated the mass transfer of wealth from the poorest regions of the globe, immiserated millions and given cover to the world's criminals, thieves and plunderers. A public register of true beneficial ownership, which reveals who really owns companies in places like the British Virgin Islands and the Caymans will blow the lid on corruption and criminality in a way that can barely be conceived. Forget the Panama papers - this would truly rock the whole world and advance democracy and accountability globally.

Oh, by the way, what is the Tory contribution to the fight against corruption? A commitment to close down the UK's Serious Fraud Office.

Here, in its full glory, is the paragraph that could change global politics fundamentally for the good:

'The current global tax system is deeply unjust. Africa’s economies alone lose more than £46 billion annually through corruption and tax evasion – more than 10 times what they receive in aid. Labour will act decisively on tax havens, introducing strict standards of transparency for crown dependencies and overseas territories, including a public
register of owners, directors, major shareholders and beneficial owners for all companies and trusts.'

http://www.labour.org.uk/…/ma…/Labour%20Manifesto%202017.pdf

Likely Murdoch and strong and stable sock puppet May will be doing their darnedest to keep that on the down low.

kimbers - Member
either way the rightwing press will be working on the next way to take down corbyn;

They shall simply ignore anything that doesn't fit the narrative.

Very little reporting of the Channel 4 debate, which seemed to have gone Corbyn's way.

He was bloody good on The One Show as well, heard a few people talking positively about it today.
The BBC haven't given it the same amount of coverage as they did for May's appearance, which was reported in every single bulletin.

Even David Dimbleby has noticed:[url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-2017-david-dimbleby-jeremy-corbyn-british-press-fair-deal-theresa-may-labour-a7762551.html%3Famp ] Link.[/url]

This is quite a tough decision for me, tbh. I'm leaning Labour, though.

May was useless as home sec

somehow people forgot that when she became PM

+ it turns out that Corbyn isnt the dithering old giffer that the media has been pushing since he became leader

30% seems to work for Germany. Why hasn't their industry relocated to Ireland?

Because I don't want to buy a car or premium household electrical appliance made there ? Corporate tax is so easy to avoid now a high rate is pointless and counterproductive. Iteland and Luxembourg have "stolen" hundreds of billions in tax from the rest of the EU via cushy deals. Why 30% in Germany or 20% in UK when you can pay 1% in Ireland / Lux etc.

@binners Lib Dems and Tories out in force around me face to face events inc an all party hustings and leafleting, was a Lib Dem seat for 20 years until 2015 now Tory again. Expecting bigger majority with Kippers joining Tory vote (leave constituency) plus further swing to Tories.

My call is still a 75-100 seat majority

Sorry if I'm being thick here, has inheritance tax been abbreviated to IHT?

My apologies squirrel, yes the common abbreviation and saves me typing out the whole word

jambalaya - Member
My call is still a 75-100 seat majority

i thought you said a 100-150 landslide?

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Because I don't want to buy a car or premium household electrical appliance made there ?

Well done branes, that was precisely my point.

She probably will win but if she is having a really shit time right now and sleepless nights I'm happy.

The Mash...
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/may-rebooted-live-on-air-20170530128503 ]May rebooted live on air....[/url]

jambalaya - Member

100 to 150 seat Tory win

jambalaya - Member

My call is still a 75-100 seat majority

I can see why you're a tory...

There's a very important proposal in the Labour manifesto that hasn't received any press coverage:

Alternative headline is: Labour propose colonial direct rule, army to deploy after election

As it might not be as simple as the manifesto claims.
http://www.city.ac.uk/news/2016/may/why-british-law-doesnt-necessarily-apply-in-overseas-territories

Jeremy "Leicester City" Corbyn?

No - unfortunately Leicester is represented by Keith vaz!

No - unfortunately Leicester is represented by Keith vaz!

A fellow traveller, very appropriate

big_n_daft - Member

As it might not be as simple as the manifesto claims.
http://www.city.ac.uk/news/2016/may/why-british-law-doesnt-necessarily-apply-in-overseas-territories

**** it then lets not even bother trying. 🙄 Tax havens whats the damage really?

The implication is that nothing has been done, in fact work has and continues to be done, can more be done, yes, is it a party dividing issue?Not really, it's overblown by the OP

We don't have programmes on primetime TV mocking tax cheats, like we do with benefit claimants.

jambalaya - Member

My call is still a 75-100 seat majority

Depressingly, quite likely to be right. Lots of young voters tend to stay at home and not vote, while lots of older ones tend to go out and do their civic duty.

You get the government you deserve to some extent.

+ it turns out that Corbyn isnt the dithering old giffer that [s]the media[/s] Binners has been pushing since he became leader

FTFY

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer....

Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in [s]heaven[/s] Ramsbottom over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 15:7
🙂

A fellow traveller, very appropriate

I thought Keith was a fellow travelling washing machine salesman?

jambalaya - Member
Corporate tax is so easy to avoid

These things are easy to avoid because of successive complicit governments, it's not a universal law that corporations are able to avoid tax. If the will was there the tax could be collected.

Need to end corporate collusion however.

Ireland is hardly the model tax strategy though is it, it has the IMF and EU warning that its tax base is so narrow it is as vulnerable to needing a bail out in the event of a down turn as it was previously

Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in [s]heaven[/s] Ramsbottom over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 15:7

I have seen the light brothers and sisters

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To be fair to me, for all my incessant whining, I was only ever going to vote one way. As I'm more likely to lop off my own cobblers with a rusty chisel, stir fry them, then have them with some quinoa than even flirt with voting Tory

And doing this did amuse me....

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that off camera laugh
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Iirc Ireland are going to go be prosecuted/fined for giving apple or google a 0.5% rate.

What they didn't reckon on was the opposite being true for Corbyn

This 100%. Her entire incompetent, hubristic, and arrogant campaign has been based on the singular message that 'I'm not Jeremy Corbyn'. Trouble is that doesn't work when people start to see that Corbyn is not the extremist ogre that the media and the tories have portrayed.

Jesus! Just watched the footage of the Maybot malfunctioning on telly when asked about the TV debates. Her fake, forced rictus smile is starting to look a little familiar. Let's hope she's on a similar trajectory....

There's some good lines coming out of this debate no-show:
"The Tories realise that No Theresa May is better than a bad Theresa May"

It's all becoming a bit Alan Partridge isn't it? I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for her. Never have I seen a political leader become such an object of ridicule in such a short time.

If I was her and lost, I'd wake up the next day and think 'thank god that's over', I can get on with my life now.

I honestly belive she's set up her stall and now has no option but to pretend she can make a success of it, but secretly hope to fail and she can say 'well I tried' it was the 'will of the people'. And she can walk away.

Will Jeremy get to read his own MI5 file if he wins ?

Will Jeremy get to read his own MI5 file if he wins ?

They'd probably let him anyway, I doubt there is anything interesting in it!

Unless pottering in your allotment and cursing at next door who have grown bigger vegetables counts as interesting.

Amber Rudd must be loving this. This is her pitch to take over when the tories commit regicide. I wouldn't be surprised if Chairman May wasn't even given the choice to attend and they sent out Rudd instead. I predict there'll she'll be doing lots of damning with faint praise.

edit: probably wrong thread. *goes to the election thread*

Unless pottering in your allotment and cursing at next door who have grown bigger vegetables counts as interesting.

And too think, this morning he wasn't even going to be there and then turns up and plays a blinder

I paused it to cook dinner but Corbyn smashing it so far!

binners - Member

To be fair to me, for all my incessant whining, I was only ever going to vote one way. As I'm more likely to lop off my own cobblers with a rusty chisel, stir fry them, then have them with some quinoa than even flirt with voting Tory

And doing this did amuse me....

Ho. Ho. Ho. You had us all fooled with your deranged daily rantings about Corbyn.

I bet you could teach Boris Johnson a thing or two about stringing people along with your hilarious tomfoolery and buffoonery.

You cad.