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I don't disagree with that principle, but if you're going into an interview to talk about a specific thing, you need to have those numbers. Particularly when you know it's an interviewer who writes for a paper that hates you, and one of your senior colleagues has already been ridiculed for not knowing her numbers. It's a schoolboy error so it becomes less about "memorising numbers" and more about common sense preparation.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.gobuchul - Member
It's not that they aren't allowed to look them up, it's just basic preparation that seems to be missing.
I'm not saying it's just directed at corbyn btw, it works both ways. It's a very poor interviewing style, and tbh just treats everyone like mugs.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.
Because that's not how it works. I agree with you that it's crass but it is what it is.
Corbyn knew what would happen if he didn't have the numbers but he still didn't bother to prepare properly.
As far as I'm concerned this ins't a party political point, as they've all fallen foul of it over the last couple of weeks. And it simply shows the lack of basic competency of many of our politicians. Kind of depressing really.
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I agree he should have known better.gobuchul - MemberCorbyn knew what would happen if he didn't have the numbers but he still didn't bother to prepare properly.
Guess if you are going to accept Corbyn, you are going to have to accept the slightly dithering style.
It's deliberate badgering, why didn't she just give him a few minutes to look up the answer and then come back to the question, rather than take the partisan position of a tory questioning a labour leader. And make an issue out of it.
The video is worse, he picks up some paper, he starts to wind up the iPad, an assistant scampers in with the manifesto
She have him plenty of time to answer hence the space for the heavy breathing? etc
And the rest of the interview wasn't any better
She was hostile for sure- I listened to the whole interview.
He 100% should have had a piece of paper in front of him. Schoolboy error. Corbyn and his team big mistake.
FFS.
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It is all a bit silly now all this forensic cross examining by journos looking for a "scoop". The politicians should just say they don't have the figures to hand but will supply them after the interview.
Edit: But if it flushes out the racists (as per CFH's post) then perhaps it has some merit.
The politicians should just say they don't have the figures to hand but will supply them after the interview.
For a curve ball question, I would wholeheartedly agree. "Sorry, don't know" is better than an Abbott floundering.
However, for the policy you're launching, no.
How do Corbyn's tinfoil hat brigade figure their insane, paranoid conspiracy theories come across to normal people, who more than occasionally leave their bedrooms?
As for that interview, any politician would know that on announcing any new policy, the very first question - every single time - is going to be 'what's this going to cost?'
The only thing people should be concerned about are the intentions of the parties and base their decision on that. So what if they don't achieve all of the things in a manifesto, the key is what is the manifesto aiming for.
This is all very well, but voters have to decide if the politicians are capable of fulfilling those intentions. That's what all these interviews are all about.
Not convinced that the tinfoil hatters are bothered about any outside their bubble
they also represent a tiny amount even of corbyns support
Latest survation poll has May on a 6 point lead, which would mean Corbyn doing better than Milliband !
Live broadcasting is one of the trickiest things you can do. Even well media trained presenters slip up without a teleprompter.
We can't expect anyone to constantly be prepared and articulate all of the time. They're going to falter every now and again. It may be easy sat here on a forum with everything at your disposal to make a point.
I can assume all you lot will be out of a job as soon as you can't remember a figure from memory at work and you have to look it up? 😆
However, for the policy you're launching, no.
Can always take the Tory approach and say "we'll tell you after the election".
I can assume all you lot will be out of a job as soon as you can't remember a figure from memory at work and you have to look it up?
No I wouldn't.
However, if I was sent to sell one thing to a client and when they asked me how much the headline upfront cost was, I couldn't tell them and didn't have the information immediately to hand, then i would look stupid and the client wouldn't be inspired with confidence either.
However, if I was sent to sell one thing to a client and when they asked me how much the headline upfront cost was, I couldn't tell them and didn't have the information immediately to hand, then i would look stupid and the client wouldn't be inspired with confidence either.POSTED 9 SECONDS AGO # REPORT-POST
Especially if one of your colleagues had recently been trying to sell something else to that same client and had come unstuck as well.
There does seem to be disparity here
May was not ridiculed for her claims of 6.8 p a child for breakfast
still corbs knows hes up against this so he should have been on it
meanwhile
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Looks like the 'Team Theresa' has lost it's appeal:
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I wonder if she'll realise the rest of the cabinet from wherever it is they're being held hostage? They won't be allowed to speak or anything, obviously. But maybe just sighted in public? Just for the novelty value
If it's a choice between one person who can't remember a couple of figures when put on the spot and another who has repeatedly refused to give straight answers, can't look ordinary people in the face when approached, has political beliefs that make Cameron look like a paid-up Socialist and has perfected the political U-turn when it suits her, then I'll go with the first option, thank you.
[b]COMMUNIST!!![/b]
Theresa May and the Conservatives! Is she going to do a song?
Jeremy Corbyn and the Sympathisers
If it's a choice between one person who can't remember a couple of figures
And turned down the Nobel Peace Prize numerous times over the last twenty years less it detract from his constant #workingforpeace
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
[quote=zokes ]Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
[i]brexit means brexit
no deal is better than a bad deal
trust us not him
strong and stable[/i]
just about covers it I think?
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
erradicate the defecit by
[s]2015[/s]
[s]2017[/s]
[s]2020[/s]
2025
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
That's the glum-bucket thread, don't cross the streams
More homeless,
more dead disabled people
I cant see past these 2 myself and anyone who votes Tory knowing the facts about these things should be ashamed.
So no difference from Labour then once they've scared off private business, increased the amount we are borrowing and its servicing costs and then made lots of people unemployed as part of the state re-nationalisation and resulting efficiency drive.
Do you want the steaming poo or the other steaming poo.
Well apart from the difference that the tory shit has happened and continues to happen. The Labour stuff is just in your head.
The Conservative campaign has meandered from an abortive attempt to launch a personality cult around Mrs May to the self-inflicted wound of the most disastrous manifesto in recent history and, after the atrocity in Manchester, shrill attacks on Mr Corbyn’s appeasement of terrorism.
Yep from your very own George Osborne.
Never liked him but I'm enjoying his revenge.
@kimbers that point is fair enough but again it's relative - address the deficit or cause it to mushroom once again
Rather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
They can't - they know the Labour manifesto has come off way better than their own. And the expected decimation of Corbyn has just not happened how they would've liked.
So on with the sideways swipes at media cock-ups whilst gently ignoring that Corbyn sailed through both Neil and Pacman.
Even that *well known* lefty sandal wearing broadcast organisation has Jezza's cock-up at the top of the headlines. Maybe they're not so lefty?
kimbers - MemberRather than attacking Corbyn, can you toryboys actually articulate what it is the Conservatives will do for the country if re-elected?
erradicate the defecit by
2015
2017
2020
2025
Cut immigration to the tens of thousands by [s]2015[/s] [s]2017[/s] 2022
The irony of those here critising the Tory social care measure is staggering as to a man you've all been in favour of much higher IHT full stop. Effectively the Tories announced a soecific new IHT measure
address the deficit or cause it to mushroom once again
How is that going ?
How is that going ?
The thing is the Tories manage to spend and have nothing to show for it.
Penny-wise but pound foolish.
@kerly pretty well, I'll find you the graph. Spending money is easy, we know Labour can do that.
soecific new IHT measure
and in a stunning u-turn added a cap (that protects the assets of the wealthiest above a certain amount)
She's a ****ing blowhard who turns at the first sign of trouble!
Corbyn is like a ****ing rock compared!
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Spending money is easy, we know Labour can do that.
It's a myth.
Since 1979 Labour have had four budget surplus's - the Tories have had two.
Said it before but the TORIES BORROW MORE PER YEAR in office than Labour.
yip.kimbers - Member
soecific new IHT measure
and in a stunning u-turn added a cap (that protects the assets of the wealthiest above a certain amount)
From bad to worse. So Woman's Hour is biased ( 🙂 ) and presenter Emma Barnett a "Zionist". In fairness Corbyn has condemmed these comments
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_592d5a5be4b0df57cbfd3e07
The wealthiest don't pay IHT as it's easy to plan for. Thr unprepared pay IHT
@crk because they inherit the deficit from Labour ? It's bloody difficult to turn that around you know
quite good when the government do the preparation for ye.jambalaya - Member
The wealthiest don't pay IHT as it's easy to plan for.
How about this one for a pre-interview smear?
He's now had to retract it completely after 'doing some research' post-publication. Otherwise known as 'hearing from Emma's lawyers', I suspect.
#jambyfact
Guess who brought some home made jam along to The One Show today 🙂
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once again when interviewed he comes across as genuine, likeable and about 10x more human than the Maybot
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/30/jeremy-corbyn-david-dimbleby-rightwing-bias-british-newspapers ]Dimbelby complains about rightwing media bias[/url]
The wealthiest don't pay IHT as it's easy to plan for. Thr unprepared pay IHT
Just ask the Milibands
Last 26 years. 13 years a piece in total.
Total Conservative overall deficits for the 13 years: £ 1068.1 billion (average £82.2 billion per year).Total Labour 1997/98 to 2009/10 overall deficits for the 13 years: £496.4 billion (average £38.2 billion per year).
You cannot make it up. But you can of course.
@crk because they inherit the deficit from Labour ? It's bloody difficult to turn that around you know
Weirdly Labour managed it in 1998.
[url= http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/ ]Tory vs Labour borrowing[/url]
YouGov poll for The Times showing a hung parliament......
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@kerly pretty well, I'll find you the graph.
Still waiting for the "Tories addressing the deficit" graph.
scotroutes - Member
YouGov poll for The Times showing a hung parliament.....
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as much as Id love to see it (is it possible to die of schadenfreude?)
I still think May will win by a fair margin, though not the landslide she expected
Crikey, she really IS smashing it!
Just reading how they have tried to weight the pollings differently this time around as labour supporters dont turn out, providing that continues like last time the polls should be pretty accurate but if Corbyn has mobilised the youth vote the polls really underestimate labour
Just ask the Milibands
Indeed, I didn't even realise it was possible to change someone's will after they had died.
I still think May will win by a fair margin, though not the landslide she expected
Probably
Idiots will capitulate at the last second and vote tory.
How about these two graphs...
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Stolen from a post on FB, but is pretty damn good
'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election. Why? Because he's a man of his word. Finally there's someone who wants to fight for the opinions of the majority, despite what his personal feelings are. He's willing to put his own agenda to one side to fight for the common consensus. That's what makes a great leader otherwise it is a dictatorship.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.
Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good, **** them, it's long overdue. VOTE LABOUR.'
Stolen from a post on FB, but is pretty damn good
Fantasy story? BBC drama? dream of a muddled mind?
Deep and incisive as always
Thanks for the Woman's Hour video, jamba - very informative. I hadn't heard it or seen the transcript before, so hadn't realised quite how much of an arse Emma was being.
Deep and incisive as always
Always aim to please
greentricky - MemberJust reading how they have tried to weight the pollings differently this time around as labour supporters dont turn out, providing that continues like last time the polls should be pretty accurate but if Corbyn has mobilised the youth vote the polls really underestimate labour
Yougov just report the polling as it comes. I believe some of the polls are trying to correct for young voters not turning out and other factors.
big_n_daft - Member
Stolen from a post on FB, but is pretty damn goodFantasy story? BBC drama? dream of a muddled mind?
Thanks for that big n daft, I generally lack the patience to read long-winded posts but when I saw your disapproving comment I knew that one would be worth it. And indeed it was. So thanks again - without your comment I wouldn't have bothered reading it.
Emma Barnett is Jewish. Hence all the Corbyinstas "Zionist" Twitter abuse following the interview today. At least Corbyn was quicker to comdem it this time than on prior occasions
Oh do change the ****ing record. You've already said that. Any opportunity to get Corbyn and 'jewish' in some negative manner in the same post, and you'll take it, at least twice. It's muck slinging, plain and simple.Emma Barnett is Jewish.... Corbyinstas "Zionist" Twitter abuse ... Corbyn ...
So Corbyn condemned the abuse and apologised for not having the figures on instant recall. Is Emma going to apologise for her suggestion that him having to look up a figure shows we can't trust Labour with money (an accusation which certainly doesn't follow from the evidence she's trying to use for it)? TBH she comes across as pretty abusive and completely lacking impartiality herself in that interview.
I'll point out again that I'm not a natural Labour supporter and still struggling to be convinced by Corbyn, but I've seen through what the media is doing, and if they're so determined to take him down he must be doing something right (to some extent though my political leanings are influenced in exactly the way the media is trying to swing the election, that I'll vote against the leader I think would make a rubbish PM 😉 )
Emma Barnett is Jewish. Hence all the Corbyinstas "Zionist" Twitter abuse following the interview today.
I don't think it was the fact that Emma Barnett is Jewish that was the issue, it's the fact that unlike Corbyn she is anti-Palestinian and pro-Israeli/Zionist.
It is of course perfectly possible to be Jewish and anti-Zionist.
As Mira Bar Hillel, a Jewish journalist who has been abused Emma Barnett, points out in her article in the Independent :
[b][i]To her credit, although the rabbi and I represented opposing views, Ms Barnett was equally rude and patronising about both of us. I was, she decided, speaking for “self-loathing Israelis”. [/i][/b]
Let's put it this way folks, as the Tories keep telling us, this is a straight choice, Corbyn or May.
Have a wee look at how May has been doing as PM. She's utterly terrible, do you really want 5 years of that?
Corbyn may not be ideal, but what he's doing right now is showing us that he can grow into the job.
May hasn't a scooby.
Neither May nor Corbyn give me any cause to be optimistic - for differing reasons.
May's personalisation of the election - which has been toned down a bit - is a real turn off. Her assertions about experience of negotiating with european leaders are fantasy; what has she negotiated either with the EU or in the UK?
The uncosted manifesto is also a cause for concern.
She appears to be incapable of 'thinking on her feet'.
Her senior team - except for Amber Rudd who has been visible only due to the mass murder in manchester - are doing and saying......what?
Corbyn is undoubtedly a man of deeply held principles but does not appear to have any leadership ability.
The 'fully costed' manifesto is welcome but based on naive assumptions that corporations and wealthy individuals will sit idly while corporation tax rises & higher rate taxes are implemented. Experience tells us they won't.
Neither he nor his team have any demonstrable strategic/high level/international negotiation experience.
Corbyn's age and energy are concerns; Tom Watson has been almost invisible during the election campaign and would he want to become leader? McDonnell impresses but is not leadership material.
Momentum is a malign influence.
So, do I/we vote for local candidate - based on local considerations - or for labour/tory party? Any other vote is nothing more than a weak protest.
Bill Clinton said......'It's the economy, stupid'.
That will - or should - be the biggest consideration in this election; our economic future is irrevocably tied to the brexit negotiations and that scares me s**tless.
If only we could re-run the brexit referendum - with what is, now, a much better informed electorate.
Am still applying for Irish passport - Irish mother, born in Eire etc - and looking to buy in France but deeply concerned about UK.
Wonder how Cameron feels about the shit storm his blasé attitude has dumped on us?