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He's always wanted out, this is win in Corbyn's world. His thinking is that when he gets in power labour can nationalise all the industries without EU issues. The students and the metroplitian liberals who jumped to Corbyns cause never looked very hard at his views, and hence, now feel let down, but its they who are the fools.
Politics is a funny world, where those on the hard left and right can come together to get rid of the EU and then after fight over the spoils.
There is [b]no[/b] justification for Labour to block the UK's departure from the European. The country voted to Leave. and Labour is respecting the vote. Nor are they playing any tactical games about blocking it later. It's done, just a matter of process.
@daz no it isn't his job to oppose the Government just for the sake of it.
It is the job of the opposition to represent the views of people who disagree with government policy. Once again labour have forgotten that.
It is the job of the opposition to represent the views of people who disagree with government policy. Once again labour have forgotten that.
Including UKIP voters then?
Seems an odd definition to me.
Corbyns job, as far as he's concerned, and has always been concerned, is to represent the interests of his immediate coterie of hard left nutters. And at the moment that interest coincides with the same goals as the hard right.
What's depressing is that the naive idiots who just re-elected him expected anything different, before they condemned the Labour Party to its destruction and some typically clueless cloud-cuckooland idea that leaving the EU will usher in some kind of socialist revolution.
It won't. It'll deliver the polar opposite. All labours triumphs over the 20th century will be shredded by a hard right Tory party that sees the opportunity of a lifetime to turn the clock back a hundred years
What's staggering is not just that labour has a leader so profoundly stupid, and blinded by his own nonsensical fantasy ideology, but there were so many sufficiently dense people to vote him in, and in doing so sign the death warrant of the party and all it ever achieved.
Seriously... what does this moron think the likes of Iain Duncan Smith are going to do about workers rights when they've got a blank sheet of paper in front of him? And they're actually actively supporting this lunacy! It defies belief! Talk about being totally detached from reality!
and the 48%
This is it for me. Just come out and say we respect the referendum result, we respect the 52% who voted out AND the 48% who voted remain.
I guess that would mean a Norway/ Swiss type outcome/fudge (but obvs much betterer!)
Including UKIP voters then?
You think UKIP voters disagree with the current government?
before they condemned the Labour Party to its destruction
I don't think we have to go over the causes of Corbyn being elected again. Do we? I'd suggest though that if that opinion is typical of centrist anti-corbynites in the party then labour will be out of government for a lot longer than Corbyn will be around.
Well Owen Smith - remember him - the traitor/Tory lite/blairite scum - is presently defying the whip for the first time in his career (not the 400th) to take a stand and represent the 67% of labour voters (remember them? The ones deserting the current Cotbyn Labour Party in their millions) who voted remain.
These bloody conviction positions eh?
yes
You think UKIP voters disagree with the current government?
Yes, massively so.
This is just getting ridiculous now:
I will vote for Brexit bill tho I fear the consequences will be catastrophic - Margaret Beckett
If Corbyn was so attached to convictions in politics, he would allow MP's a free vote.
Not drag in the three line whip to keep them in line.
Hypocrite.
Typical rather than ridiculous ?
No backbone - avoid decisions
Don't take responsibility - blame others
Isn't it now obvious that the whole "conviction narrative' was always a mirage designed to fool the unthinking into ignoring/accepting the cuckoos
That sounds like the opposite of imposing a whipNo backbone - avoid decisionsDon't take responsibility - blame others
"This is just getting ridiculous now:"
Isn't it. Utterly mental.
That sounds like the opposite of imposing a whip
Not really, it avoids having to think too much about it or put up a fight. Just shrug and blame the people for voting
I don't think it's a wilful avoidance of decision-making.
It's the result of no clear route mapped out before the referendum.
There was no post-referendum planning. Nobody can even agree on the meaning of the 'advisory' part should be.
It's a complete mess. The fact that people (including Corbyn) didn't even know what the timing should be post-referendum is telling enough.
The problem is, I was always a remainer, so I'm always going to feel that brexit is stupid and that the campaign to leave was full of lies.
But I must admit - as soon as the referendum result was in, I assumed parliament would follow suit and brexit first, negotiate after.
but alex, thats the rationale response - we are in a new world
Corbyn is not cut out for the job, that has been obvious from day 1
The bright side is that they have uncovered a possible replacement with Starmer.
Alex quite right there was no planning for a Leave vote. Cameron would not even entertain the possibility and he should be rightly criticised for that. Corbyn at least stuck his oar in and said A50 should be triggered immediately althoigh that was another of his make it up on the fly "policies"
The bright side is that they have uncovered a possible replacement with Starmer.
Yes of course. In a world of increasing populism, where policy and detail is secondary to prejudice and ignorance, the answer is to hand the leadership to a technocratic lawyer who comes across as an emotionless automaton? 🙄
Unfortunately there's only one Corbyn/Momentum/Union/Guardian-approved leadership candidate, but they all agree that it's too early for him yet.
Clive Lewis
Clive Lewis wouldn't be a bad idea. Not sure why it's too early for him though. I'd also expect Heidi Alexander to be in the running too. I'm still absolutely convinced Corbyn will not fight the next election.
I'm still absolutely convinced Corbyn will not fight the next election.
Well he certainly won't fight it, but he will still be leader unless the Unions withdraw their support.
So what happens to the rebels?
If they do it another 500 times they get to be leader 😀
The bright side is that they have uncovered a possible replacement with Starmer.
Corbyn's legacy .... Sir Keith and Baroness Chakrabati 🙂
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-article-50-vote-parliament-diane-abbott-shadow-home-secretary-jeremy-corbyn-a7558281.html%3Famp ]Et tu Dianne[/url]. 😆
Sir Keith
#jambastarmer ?
I hope poor Ms Abbot recovers quickly. She must have been very poorly to miss such a vote. Best wishes to her.
I know he wants to be more Trump, but he has just stated that people "choose to be gay" or lesbian.
😯
Still if any of them choose not to be gay then his mates at Press TV ( banned from the UK for their part in showing a confession obtained with torture of a journalist ) know the blokes who have the cranes who can hang people until they are straight again.
Phew, seems Dianne is better today. That's good news.
"I hope poor Ms Abbot recovers quickly. She must have been very poorly to miss such a vote. Best wishes to her."
Her party and her own views diametrically at odds with her constituents. Abstaining would have been the right thing to do IMHO and given that wasn't practical a migraine was the right thing to do.
Still a nasty racist, but on this she's done the right thing.
#prayfordianne
She abstained? I thought she was ill. The news is even better.
pray? thats a bit religious for here....
teamhurtmore - Member
pray? thats a bit religious for here....
There's a caring, cuddly alternative as well.
#ShowDianeWeCare
http://www.politico.eu/article/prayfordiane-labour-mps-mock-jeremy-corbyn-ally-abbott-brexit-vote/
Judge a man by the company he keeps
Binners in a thread with all the right wingers about Corbyn 😉
And yet here you are, Junky.
😆
Candy and kids Capn!!!
😉
only to call you all ****s then walk out so it does not REALLY count 😉
NO OFFENCE MEANT to be clear
EDIT: due to new post NO OFFENCE MEANT to the CPT to be clear 😉
Bit unfair THM [ and surprisingly unfunny]I have largely given up on this when was my last post before today?when was yours so the moth to the flame is not me is it
And the horse you rode in on, Junky.....
😀
😀
Well when you're ill....
" Abstaining would have been the right thing to do IMHO and given that wasn't practical a migraine was the right thing to do.
Still a nasty racist, but on this she's done the right thing."
Surely the right thing would have been to resign from the shadow cabinet as others did? Then vote according to conscience.
Not impressed with an MP who would take a sickie rather than vote or abstain. But can't say I'm surprised with her.
i am never impressed with MPs who abstain
Your job is basically to vote on things
The sickie abstention is even worse.
"Surely the right thing would have been to resign from the shadow cabinet as others did? Then vote according to conscience."
If she wasn't one of the Leader's only allies, then yes.
Good old conviction politics!!
Good old Dianne. Do as I say, not as I do
At least she's consistent
If she wasn't one of the Leader's only allies, then yes.
Not allied enough to vote with him though?
Derick 'Degsy' Hatton on This Week just now - the socialist supporter of arch socialist Corbyn - has clearly being having Botox, sat there in his Paul Smith suit. I'd put my house on him having a driver waiting for him when he's done
Power to the people eh comrades...
binners - you spout this bollocks as if a) we wouldn't agree with you and b) the alternative we've currently got is better.
But no matter - you go away thinking you've scored your point.
Ed Millipede to the front bench/shadcab apparently.
More unpopulism?
Are we reaching a tipping point - like in the same way every Manchester resident will have at some point been the guitarist in The Fall, before being sacked by Mark E Smith - that every single Labour MP will have been Foreign Secretary before resigning in exasperation at Jezza?
Quite worried about Diane, fine at 5pm Westminster function then struck down before the vote on the most important issue of the last 40 years. 3 line whip too. Back in my day we called it skive-alitus
The only tipping point is rightwing bollox on here. I'm leaving everyone to it til there's actually something new to talk about.
"I am just going outside and may be some time."
Wrap up warm, dazh
I am sure there is a point hidden in there somewhere THM - is it you are not funny?
So we are left with the RW and binners then should be fun for you all
Perhaps it was Dianne's turn to be the guitarist in the Fall? And as her colleagues filed through the division lobby, she was scowling at Mark E Smith for ****ing around with the bass on her amp?
I thought she held the amp?
Have you seen Jezza's tweet on Brexshit?
Good piece on Labour's problems from Lisa Nandy, Labour should be a party of patriotism not placards
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5895fdf6e4b0a1dcbd029a2a
Good piece
Obviously you would think that Jamba as she's back to the 'we should be more like the tories' solution. Have people like her not learned anything from the past two years? Do these labour MPs really not have any better ideas than 'we should be a little bit more racist'?
dazh - Member
The only tipping point is rightwing bollox on here. I'm leaving everyone to it til there's actually something new to talk about.POSTED 2 DAYS AGO #
What's new dazh, I missed it?
#flouncerevoked
What's new dazh
Certainly nothing in that Lisa Nandy piece of self-promotion. The new thing is that which hasn't yet been mentioned, which is the fracturing of Corbyn's inner circle in the form of Diane Abbot's hypocrisy.
#flouncerevoked
A simple pause waiting for something of substance to discuss rather than the childish loony left stuff.
It'll certainly be interesting to see how Ms Abbot's migraines are next week 🙂
I think we touched on dear DiDi last week
Jezza did so a while ago.
Every day is a school day, to Sir Keith and Baroness Chakrabati I should add Lady Nugee 🙂
Diane Abbott you should be ashamed. Nick Bowles attending the A50 vote after receiving Chemotherapy.
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Jammers darling, with regards to Diane's debilitating illnesss....
Remember when you were at school, someone uttering the phrase "I'm sorry sir, but the dog ate my homework"
My suspicion is this migraine might prove to be very very contagious in both parties as this Brexit shambles becomes more real.
Apparently Nicky Morgan has caught it, but due to her apparently being in possession of a brain (a rarity in the present Tory party) and a pair of kahunas, she also developed Tourette's, directed at the whips. 😀
So rumoured that hes picked a resignation date?
meanwhile, it turns out that Tory councils do get a better deal
I was surprised at the sudden surrey referendum climbdown
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/08/jeremy-corbyn-accuses-may-of-sweetheart-deal-surrey-council-tax
Anyone half expecting him to vote against the Labour whip tonight, just for old time's sake ?
cranberry - Member
Anyone half expecting him to vote against the Labour whip tonight, just for old time's sake ?
if hes gonna bail anyway
is it time to unleash the beast?
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meanwhile, it turns out that Tory councils do get a better dealI was surprised at the sudden surrey referendum climbdown
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/08/jeremy-corbyn-accuses-may-of-sweetheart-deal-surrey-council-tax
It looks as though the government has bribed a Tory council, which is a pretty big deal in my book. Somehow, I suspect this story won't get the attention it deserves.
Kimbers, ransos, it's not just any conservative run council either is it? Look who the local MP's are- couldn't be more embarrassing (putting up council tax 15% to mitigate central government cuts and impact on local hospitals) if they hired a skywriter and wrote it in lipstick on Eric pickles' naked form.
Theresa dismisses it as 'fake news' - I am curious how else you read [s] the smoking gun[/s] those text messages to not come to similar suspicions to Labour and the Graun.
Also hugely funny imho how these texts got out into the public in the first place. Cue massive scary memo to everyone in in Surrey cc about confirming phone and email details before discussing sensitive stuff. Which I hope will also get leaked for our minor amusement too.
Clive Lewis jumps!
Readying himself for a tilt at the leadership?
Poor old Di, looked totally foolish on sky news
But good to see that she is looking better