Jeremy Corbyn

So can we all agree that Corbyn's a bit of a chump?
10,001...bah!

Now I'm confused. Junkyard seems to be saying that Making A Profit works. Yet ernie seems to think there's a "mantle" that can be passed between them.

Hmmm.

Given the sheer economic illiteracy presently displayed by those around the Glorious Leader, and the left generally, (which seems to revolve around the discovery of a magic money tree) I think it's a fair assessment that, if they get anywhere near the levers of power, business and capital would pull out of the British economy with such speed, they'd probably be pleedng for an IMF bailout within weeks.

It doesn't take a degree in economics to see this. Most people won't vote for us to become Greece. Which is exactly what would happen

Meanwhile in downtown Croydon

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which seems to revolve around the discovery of a [b]magic money tree[/b]

This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"

Junky so does posting 9999 and 10000 demonstrate 1) a sense of fun 2) a competitive and egotistical trait you have like for example you'd find in an ambitious purely profit motivated business person ?

Yet ernie seems to think there's a "mantle" that can be passed between them.

This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"

aka - the people that have got hold of all the money! 🙂 Where do you go if you need a shit? The bathroom of course, aka - the place where the toilet is

right guys... I'm off out

Binners is here after learning all of his opinions and japes from the Sunday papers so it's all gonna go a bit strange again for a few hours..

I'll pop back later when it's calmed down a bit

Enjoy your afternoon 🙂

You too

This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"

i always find it interesting that you have no objection to lifes unfairness in terms of there being massive winners in terms of wealth with capitalism but when it comes to taxation all of a sudden you RW suddenly start giving a shit about fairness - where of course fairness mean the rich get richer. I dont think you have really understood what fair means 😥

Junky so does posting 9999 and 10000 demonstrate 1) a sense of fun 2) a competitive and egotistical trait you have like for example you'd find in an ambitious purely profit motivated business person ?

If there is one thing we can all agree on its that any business i led would be inevitably doomed for failure- unless it was perhaps performance related to copying and pasting on here 😉

'Fairness' in what though and to what end - equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. What exactly do you mean by fairness?

I earn below average wage - just and I am happy to pay more tax

You know that HMRC will happily take a cheque from you, don't you.

Or are you doing an Owen Jones ?

What exactly do you mean by fairness?

You know that HMRC will happily take a cheque from you, don't you.

I dont know abou tyou but I tend to not do things that are pointless though I did reply to that "point" of yours.

Is there even the remotest possibility of a debate on here in between all the childish bickering point scoring ?

Its OK, you are amongst friends here, you can admit that you are only socialist with other people's money - there are millions more like you.

If you truly have no comprehension of what the term fairer means then there would be little point me trying to explain it to you at this late stage in your development

I agree - Everyone benefits from public services like street lighting, roads, fire brigade, police etc.
So obviously, in order to be fair, everyone should pay an equal amount into the kitty - like the poll tax.

What could be fairer than that?

I know exactly what I mean by fairness (in terms of achieving a fair system within a socially democratic framework that has as its aim the promotion of absolute equality of opportunity whilst at the same time balancing / respecting the rights and liberties of the individual) but it appears that you don't hence your refusal to set it out. Humour me and explain what you mean by fairness or you could by refusing to do so simply confirm the cluelessness that is apparent from your posts. Perhaps you don't know what you mean.

Fairness is a very slippery term.

Is it fair that I pay about three times as much tax as my wife, yet we use the same level of public services?

Is it fair that I pay about three times as much tax as my wife, yet we use the same level of public services?

It doesn't take a degree in economics to see this.

In fact it takes a complete lack of basic economics to post some of the sh1te ^ but little is new. People have been spouting the same nonsense for ages.

Annoyed to have been tied up and missed 10k having started this. 😉

TMH no one reads the 10,000 posts but they do see you started it 8)

More tax Junky as soon as there was an increase in VAT to address the deficit we had howls of complaint. Someone on average income of £25k will pay something like £1000 (?) in VAT pa so the increase would have cost them £115 pa. The total raised was about £10bn pa which is pretty meaningful.

[quote=cranberry ]Its OK, you are amongst friends here, you can admit that you are only socialist with other people's money - there are millions more like you.

I explained my reasons you are free to ignore them and troll away

Amongst friends - if i had friends who debated at this level I would be incredibly embarrassed by them and me.

10k.

Holy ****.

Good job, guys.

...and by guys I mean 4-5 people.

10021 posts & 308 voices

As I said earlier in the thread - Silly canutes

Shakes head at the shockingly bad knowledge of the history of these islands

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But....

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As pointed out on the Twit,

Wrong Vernon. That Vernon's the one who resigned from the shadow cabinet because you weren't very good.

Is there no beginning to his talents?

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Shakes head at the shockingly bad knowledge of the history of these islands

how so dafty?

10021 posts & 308 voices

300 of which probably gave up after page 50.

A remarkable reverse ferret from the SNP (and Corbyns) Financial advisor that even Labour would be proud of:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37219612

That one should have THM laughing for a good hour or two 🙂

10021 posts & 308 voices.

This thread is basically like settling down to watch Breaking Bad at this point. There's obviously something fairly compelling about it, but I really don't have that kind of time.

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This thread is basically like settling down to watch Breaking Bad at this point. There's obviously something fairly compelling about it, but I really don't have that kind of time.

Pages 100-130 suffered a dip in quality, but it really picks up again for pages 140+.

Thanks ninfan, actually it's not amusing really. What Stiglitz is now saying is blindingly obvious as I said at the time. What I find concerning is that professional Nobel winning economists appear happy to [s]prostitute themselves[/s] co done such nonsense at the time

Ah, economists and their accurate predictions.

Would that it were so...

yunki - Member

how so dafty?

what do you think Canute did?

Did he not believe that he could hold back the tide?
And the traditional spelling of his name is ****

I thought it was an apt [i]popular[/i] anecdote

(EDIT: aaaaah, I see my 1970s primary school education has failed me again.. Still with a bit of luck these arrogant bully boys [i]will[/i] emulate Canute's humility once they discover that they cannot hold back the tide of progress)

Mr Corbyn pledged to "democratise the internet" if he took power, including consulting on online election voting.

and....

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/29/arizona-illinois-voter-registration-systems-hacked-fbi ]FBI says foreign hackers breached state election systems[/url].

Has Corbyn really got no clue at all?

hmmm..

maybe some new jobs would be created specifically for implementing better security for such an undertaking?

is that a bad thing?
maybe he does have a clue 🙂

maybe some new jobs would be created specifically for implementing better security for such an undertaking?

.. but we would probably also, under the rule of Chairman ****, keep all of the jobs now not being done by all of the people working on the current voting system as well.

Thanks ninfan, actually it's not amusing really. What Stiglitz is now saying is blindingly obvious as [s]I said at the time[/s] anyone who had a clue said at the time. What I find concerning is that professional Nobel winning economists appear happy to [s]prostitute themselves[/s] condone such nonsense at the time

FIFY. Also key point here is he's an advisor to Corbyn and his credibility is sliding yet further. He does seem to have the right idea about the euro though that 1) it would be bad for Scotland and 2) it could spell the end of the EU/Europe

"Democratise the Internet" it must be a slow day, what does that even mean and who really cares anyway ? "I've decided to vote Labour in 2020 as I want high speed broadband pit in down our street"

An independent currency would be awful for Scotland, as it would be too volatile based on the oil price, so companies dealing with rUK would have to hedge and increase costs and risk.

Corbyn needs to work on his PR in Scotland, he was in Dundee recently and it was hardly reported. He'll need to do a lot, lot more to take on the SNP.

Did he not believe that he could hold back the tide?

Knut deliberately demonstrated to his over-enthusiastic followers that he was only human by showing that he could not miraculously hold back the tide despite his courtiers insisting that he could, and despite their many votes.

I'm sure there's an analogy here if I just look hard enough.

Bit of a conflict of interest surely if Stiglitz advises both SNP & Labour (he also has advised the USA (Clinton), the Greeks and Japan)?

TBF he is normally completely wrong, so anyone using him as a adviser is one to avoid in my book.

"I've decided to vote Labour in 2020 as I want high speed broadband pit in down our street"

Given how shockingly bad the internet is in this country in some areas, and how increasingly dependent upon it our lives are becoming year after year, that's not such a bad thing to wish for if you happen to run a business from home, for example.

Point taken but I very much doubt if you ran a business you'd vote for Corbyn. FWIW my BT broadband was consistently slower than my 3G never mind 4G signal.

@dragon Economists are never "right", you pay them for an opinion which you then discuss. Economjcs isn't about facts, its about theories, predictions or indeed guesswork if you like. Perfectly legit for him to be hired by multiple organisations, not a conflict of interest if handled correctly imo

what does that even mean and who really cares anyway ?

If you take off your blinkers for a second, there are some good ideas in there. But carry on with your juvenile loony left nonsense, not that anyone is actually listening anymore.

not such a bad thing to wish for if you happen to run a business from home, for example

Running a business? That's only for ruthless exploiters of teh workerz innit?

I though the sign at the press launch said it all:

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Did Jeremy find a seat ?

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57c5699be4b02f8e29d7cfe9

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Right, I am voting for Jeremy - all publicly funded software will be made available to [s]quiet bat people[/s] everyone.

I can't wait to get my hands on the command and control software for our nuclear submarines ( that should go to sea without any weapons ).

EDIT: Oh and a little info on Jeremy's new digital bezzie:

[url= http://order-order.com/2016/08/30/corbyns-digital-democracy-guru-supports-continuity-iras-armed-struggle/ ]http://order-order.com/2016/08/30/corbyns-digital-democracy-guru-supports-continuity-iras-armed-struggle/[/url]

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If you take off your blinkers for a second, there are some good ideas in there

Thing is Daz.. these private school numpties have been indoctrinated with smug self satisfied rhetoric since birth..
They're not generally very bright, but having been trained their whole lives to run and fetch the corporate bone, they think that their inflated pay packets indicate some sort of superiority..

They just yap out the same tired song generation to generation, without half a clue of what it means..
It's a funny old sense of esteem that they cling to, but they could no more dream of giving it up than we could dream of breathing underwater or taking to the skies.. Their brains are just too simple

It's daft really.. they're like automatons

It's very sad

Jeremy is just.... tragic.

Tragic.

Thing is Daz.. these [s]public school numpties[/s] bitter loony lefties have been indoctrinated with Their smug self satisfied rhetoric since birth..
They're not generally very bright, but having been trained their whole lives to run and fetch for their union masters [s]the corporate bone[/s] they think that their [s]inflated pay packets[/s] right to spout leftist drivel indicates some sort of superiority..

They just yap out the same tired song generation to generation, without half a clue of what it means.. it's a funny old sense of esteem that they cling to, but they could no more dream of giving it up than we could dream of breathing underwater or taking to the skies.. Their brains are just too simple

It's daft really..

FTFY

that doesn't really make sense jon... try harder laddie 🙂

It really does, you know.

silly bollocks 😆

This Digital Manifest, sounds very like Gordon Browns Digital Economy idea.

@cranberry just when you thought it couldn't get any worse 😯 it starts to get hard to believe it's all just naive incompetance and it starts to look like the deliberate selection of a full on terrorist sympathiser.

these private school

Not me, council house and state school in Tooting to private home and state school / tertiary college in Hampshire then Bristol and Oxford Uni. Posted that before so you must have meant someone else, an imaginative Pantomine Villan perhaps ?

Have fun off to watch some mindless Jason Bourne entertainment at £5 a ticket, value shopping 🙂

it starts to look like the deliberate selection of a full on terrorist sympathiser.

As we are playing a game of complete and utter BS then Teresa is a Nazi sympathiser and she wants to eat your childrens liver

Ok your go

Does she have a badge?

Sorry Yunki, I hadn't commented recently so I thought i should contribute something of the same high brow cut and thrust of wot the rest of the thred is like......

Been dipping in occaisionally, I reckon Junky has reached gas marked 7, all been a quite amusing side show, bit like Corbyn really. 😈

if gas mark relates to boredom then a little higher

If it relates to "upset or some such" not even on gas mark 1

My main feeling is that its all pointless - RW folk clutching at straws and often just writing outright lies rather than just completely one sided and distorted. Left wing folk just taking the piss, Binners at gas mark 54 and DazH trying to have a grown up debate in all the noise as Yunki does what Yunki does best

Junkyard in all fairness you're usually the more thought provoking, less stereotypical left wing (and I use that description lazily) poster but this thread does not show you at your best.

I gave up a long time ago as this is not a debate its just folk taking the piss out of each other- the only reason the mods have not killed it is because tit keeps folks in the one place

No one is coming out well from this thread but , like a slow motion car crash, I cannot look away

I wonder just how risible Tragic Jeremy's cock ups and incompetent embarrassments have to get, before his fanbase awake from their glassy-eyed dreams of a Perfect Socialist Zion...

@dragon Economists are never "right", you pay them for an opinion which you then discuss. Economjcs isn't about facts, its about theories, predictions or indeed guesswork if you like. Perfectly legit for him to be hired by multiple organisations, not a conflict of interest if handled correctly imo

This belongs on the EU thread with the other made up stuff Jambas.

Or the homeopathy thread.

DazH trying to have a grown up debate

Probably the first time I"ve ever been accused of that! I'm not immune to lefty grandstanding myself. My main point about Corbyn is that I'm still genuinely amazed that this leftwing resurgence could happen here, a supposedly rightwing conservative hotbed, and the most pro-market neo-liberal country in western Europe. No matter how much anyone dismisses it as 6th form socialist worker loony lefties or whatever else, something has clearly changed in the political psyche in this country. If it hadn't we'd currently be listening to the bland and ideologically bereft witterings of the likes of Cooper or Burnham. To be honest the more the usual suspects repeat this loony left nonsense the more I think it may result in something tangible and long-lasting as they obviously haven't a clue what's going on.

Dont confuse protest politics with the resurgenece of LW (or RW) politics. That would be to miss the point completely.

Dont confuse protest politics with the resurgenece of LW (or RW) politics

That's what I'm getting at. It seems all too easy to dismiss it as protest* politics. At what point do people sit up and admit something might actually be going on?

*Really not sure what that means. If politics isn't about protesting and acting against what the other side do, then what's the point?

People are making the same points (usually flawed, occasionally valid) against governments of all political persuasions. It's got little, perhaps FA, to do with a LW resurgence as you put it.

As a paying customer we only ever paid for Dismal Scientist and that was as they where deliberately counter cultural as it where avoiding group-think. Rest of it isn't worth reading imo and I don't bother, something I learnt decades ago as an fx, rates and credit trader. Equity research and sectoral analysis yes. Economics work, waste of time. Lets round up the Brexit predictions and compare with reality in June 2017

Anyone have a clue of what JC might have been thinking appointing an IRA sympathiser ? He must have known

Jason Bourne was suitably entertaining, suspended reality for 2 hours I imagine much like you'd experience in a Corbyn Shadow cabinet meeting. I made an error as it was £5 for 2 tickets not each.

Rest of it isn't worth reading imo and I don't bother

Evidently 😉

I gave up a long time ago as this is not a debate its just folk taking the piss out of each other- the only reason the mods have not killed it is because tit keeps folks in the one place

No one is coming out well from this thread but , like a slow motion car crash, I cannot look away

Can't see any reason anything here would even be reported, a bit of frustration with too many daft images from Chew aside.

Feel free to give it a break then. DrJ seems to be doing so. Clod not appeared lately either. You might be well served as Corbyn is so busy buggaring it all up by himself trying to argue his side must be desperately frustrating. I stepped back for a bit as Ernie's posts where getting lost in the cross fire.

[url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/30/labour-leadership-election-corbyn-leads-smith-24/ ]Looks like it's in the bag.[/url]

No doubt if he does win with an increased majority, it'll be because of a protest vote/communist takeover/mass hysteria/russian conspiracy/hallucinogenic drugs*

Or maybe it's because members, and perhaps even voters, want something different to what's been presented to them for the past 20-odd years?

*delete as appropriate

I don't think that the result was ever seriously in question, just the scale of the disaster for Labour.

Its going to be a stonker.

yup... sgonna be a disaster...

cos 12 uppity yobbos on a mountain biking forum say corbyn's no good 😆

And lots of other people:

[url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/05/corbyn-britain-least-popular-new-opposition-leade/ ][url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/05/corbyn-britain-least-popular-new-opposition-leade/ ][/url][/url]

Excellent news. Here's hoping he makes it to 2020. Thread predictions 30,000 posts ?