Jeremy Corbyn

We don't forget John Smith Northwind, he was a wonderful and principaled man but I am not sure he would have won as did Blair

Back when the match is finished.
🙂

So close to a third.

Edit: Erm....I'll see myself to the correct thread.

Lol an Indian calling the Welsh racist!

[quote=ctk ]Lol an Indian calling the Welsh racist!
I was going to say "pot calling the kettle black" but I fear that's not PC these days

Roy gone for the playground tactics of how maxing out on strikers.

How rubbish and one dimensional is Stirling, you just show him down the line and get the tackle or block in, easy for any half decent right back.

Jambalaya; you're wasting your time directing any words at me other than an overdue apology and retraction of your accusation of anti-semitism. You may somehow feel that running scared out of that thread and pretending it never happened resolves matters; it does not. It's only to your further discredit that you now think you can talk to me like it never happened.

Sorry, everyone else, but it needed saying. Meanwhile, is there football on or something?

Northwind I am ketting things calm down. Lets be absoluely clear I will be back on that thread in a very big way when the reprort is published,

I stand by everything I said on that thread including the clarificatiob of my remarks

I OWE YOU ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Unfortunately I cannot be back in London for a pro Israel counter demonstrarion againat the Hamas and other terroist apologists next weekend

I reckon Corbyn just wants to hang on until Chilcott so he can castigate Blair.

Chilcott will almost certainly tell the British people some fairly unpleasant things about a former Labour prime minister.

While most people are fully aware that Tony Blair was a deceitful liar being severely criticized in an official report will have a deeper more profound meaning.

This report will not do the Labour Party any good, especially as it will very likely also severely criticize other Labour politicians such as Jack Straw.

It will imo damage the Labour Party. This will be reflected in public support and approval for the Labour Party. I fully expect it to effect Labour's standing in opinion polls and any possible elections/by-elections in the near future.

Any drop in support for Labour will automatically be blamed on Corbyn by the Blairites and their media friends.

The fact that Jeremy Corbyn was an outspoken critic of Blair's disastrous warmongering policies will be completely ignored.

Anything that is wrong with the Labour Party is Jeremy Corbyn's fault. While positive things like increased majorities in by-elections and Labour winning the London mayoral election have nothing to do with him.

On another note a hugely significant development has occurred.

A year ago the Blairites, the Tories, and the media, characterized Jeremy Corbyn as a loony-leftie with extreme hard-left views which were completely out of touch with Labour voters, and for that reason would spell electoral Armageddon for Labour.

A year on it's become clear to most people that these claims were completely false.

So the tactic has now completely changed. As his enemies queued up to stab him yesterday, with complete disregard the damage it is causing Labour, I noted with intense interest how they invariably went to great pain to emphasize what an honest and decent person Corbyn is, even Hilary Benn did so.

They know that they can no longer fool the public with the loony-leftie extremist friend of terrorists bollocks. Now the criticism is almost solely based on the claim that he lacks [i]"leadership qualities"[/i].

And yes he does those lack those qualities which we come to expect from leaders of political parties......tub-thumbing, devious, question-dodging, slippery, sound-biting, scheming, etc. Sometimes he doesn't even sound like a politician.

And that is precisely his appeal - people are fed up with politicians. Especially with question-dodging, lying, devious, sound-biting, dishonest, scheming, conviction-lacking, politicians.

Of course whether it's enough to win a general election is another matter. But politics imo is changing, and not just here but also in other countries. And Jeremy Corbyn is part of that change.

Your positivity is warming Ernie - you are as loyal as dear Diane holding his mike today. Good for you.

as loyal as dear Diane holding his mike today.

Is that what he calls it?

@ernie did you see the prevelance of Socialist Worker members at the Corbyn rally tonight, Labour members where saying they where significantly out numbered

Corbyn is a busted flush. Anyone who's not a diehard Corbynite can see it (especially if you watch the Vice doco on him). I wish the Labour party would appoint a credible alternative to the Tories (and UKIP), I don't care who. Our democracy needs it.

[quote=corroded ] Our democracy needs it.Our democracy does not need two parties making the same promises and implementing the same policies in order to attract the votes of the same marginal constituencies. The Leave vote surely showed that there are many voters looking for another answer - one not provided by Tory or Tory-lite.

I've never voted Tory or Labour but the next Tory leader will be the biggest arsehole ever.
I will need to vote against them and that will mean labour. With Corbyn in charge that will be a wasted vote. Burnham seems alright.

Your positivity is warming Ernie

Did I sound positive? I certainly didn't mean to.

I would have thought that there was a clue here :

Any drop in support for Labour will automatically be blamed on Corbyn by the Blairites and their media friends.

The fact that Jeremy Corbyn was an outspoken critic of Blair's disastrous warmongering policies will be completely ignored.

Anything that is wrong with the Labour Party is Jeremy Corbyn's fault. While positive things like increased majorities in by-elections and Labour winning the London mayoral election have nothing to do with him.

You think that sounds positive from my perspective?

And in my next post I said :

his enemies queued up to stab him yesterday, with complete disregard the damage it is causing Labour

You think I believe that is a positive thing?

Either I need to express myself better or you need to reconsider what positive might mean.

corroded - Member

I wish the Labour party would appoint a credible alternative to the Tories

I'm surprised to hear you say that based on what I've seen you post on STW. What have you got against the Tories?

people are fed up with politicians

As they are with experts. Look where that's got us.

As usual. I expect that you know what I meant - positivity towards a guy who was obviously in the wrong job at the worn time with the wrong people.

What next - Angela Eagle?

Its bad enough watching the Tories implode, but for Labour to do the same thing at the same time is breathtakingly incompetent.

& not Corbyn's fault. Burnham got behind him why couldn't the rest of them?

Angela Eagle's crocodile tears were transparent. This lot clearly had a Brexit plan unlike the others!

Alan Johnson not getting any blame?

positivity towards a guy who was obviously in the wrong job at the worn time with the wrong people.

Positivity towards Corbyn? Well 9 months ago he won the leadership election with 60% of the vote, more than any other person in Labour Party history, that's quite positive by anyone's reckoning - or are you suggesting that I'm putting spin on it?

And most people accept that he would probably win another contest if he was allowed to be on the ballot paper, that sounds quite positive too.

It's clear that Corbyn has some significant appeal, I've tried to suggest what that appeal might be based on. I also pointed out that many people are put off by politicians - are you disputing that?

But if you are commenting about how I personally feel about Corbyn I support him but I'm certainly not his number one fan. He's good on issues such as peace but he's significantly to the right of me on other issues, I consider John Mcdonnell to be closer to me.

And I have repeatedly criticized him on here for doing absolutely nothing at all to re-introduce democracy into the Labour Party.

So despite strongly supporting Corbyn I'm not necessarily his biggest fan. I just recognize that he is better than Miliband, Brown, and Blair. And he's certainly better than the overwhelming majority of Labour MPs. He listens and he's not self-serving, I like that.

Does that answer the question, or was your comment just an excuse to make a cheap jibe about holding his mike?

Perfectly thank you. Where do you get the sepia frames from? I would love a pair...

t

Oh of course, there's nothing positive to be said about Corbyn. For someone who claims to be highly educated I'm staggered by just how dumb you can appear, specially your dependency on puerile comments such as references to "holding his mike" and "Where do you get the sepia frames from? I would love a pair". It's like arguing with a 12 year old ffs.

I'm surprised to hear you say that based on what I've seen you post on STW. What have you got against the Tories?

I've only posted on political threads in the last few days. Usually I avoid them because the usual suspects are arguing in the usual circles. But extraordinary times… My feeling is that a credible and forceful opposition is required to keep the Tories on the straight and narrow. I say that as a Tory. Corbyn is not that opposition.

I don't get all these Tories wanting a credible opposition. Is this code for we want another centre right party in opposition to let us get away with stuff?

You surely have all noticed Corbyn holding the govt to account many times? Forcing U-turns on policy etc?

I don't get all these Tories wanting a credible opposition

What mistakes are you thinking of ?

When even Tories are wishing Labour had a better leader, you know that [s]something must be wrong[/s] they are lying and/or plotting with a barely concealed ulterior motive.

Seems that way but I just can't get my head round it. Maybe being kind they want another centre right option to vote for?

Oh of course, there's nothing positive to be said about Corbyn.

Really? Make your mind up.....

For someone who claims to be highly educated I'm staggered by just how dumb you can appear, specially your dependency on puerile comments such as references to "holding his mike" and "Where do you get the sepia frames from? I would love a pair". It's like arguing with a 12 year old ffs.

12? How very dare you. It was 13 last week and I do try to pitch it correctly.

BTW who is drawing a puerile interpretation of his old bird standing next to him at the rally "holding his mike"? Never even crossed my mind - sounds a very childish level of humour that 😉

But relax my old china. Have a brew. The demise of Corbyn is less stressful for the rest of us as it was so obvious from the start. But I appreciate having a genuine old school (that's not a reference to dress sense BTW) socialist floundering so badly and so pubically must be upsetting after all these years. You have my sympathies.

Look on the bright side you were on the winning side last week and you can stop all those nasty foreigners coming in now. It's far more upsetting for those of us who preferred to welcome them.

Just to confirm @thm you think everyone who voted leave is racist?

teamhurtmore - Member

Look on the bright side you were on the winning side last week and you can stop all those nasty foreigners coming in now. It's far more upsetting for those of us who preferred to welcome them.

I did ask last week why he was so keen to leave the EU but so against Scotland leaving the UK.

"It's far more upsetting for those of us who preferred to welcome them."

...as long as they come from an EU country.

Ducks, that is blindingly obvious. After all this time, you should have worked it out, But if in doubt I have posted a little primer for you on the indy2 thread. Enjoy.

Ctk, has anyone said that?

Guardian and BBC are alleging that Corbyn and his team deliberately sabotaged the Remain campaign. That's a pretty serious allegation and if true shows how unfit Corbyn is for any role in government.

Was there any doubt ?

Eagle said pretty much the same thing yesterday.

@thm it was when you said "keep out nasty foreigners when I prefer to welcome them"

Assumed you were talking generally.

It's ****ing disgusting, I can't stand Farage or Gove but a least they said they want to leave, for Corbyn to say one thing and do the other is disgusting. Rather ruins his idea of a new kinder politics (not that I ever believed that anyway.

Hang on, has it been proven? Or are some people with vested interests stirring shit?

Boris was pro EU a couple of months ago.

then he was not for the campaign then he was when he won

Indeed why focus on corbyn when Boris is the master behind all this and we all know he did show no principles in this and he did it for personal gain- tories and their chums like to go a sinning and look elsewhere rather than at themselves. that sais the PLP are helping them enormously in this goal

Corbyn and his team deliberately sabotaged the Remain campaign

the problem is the guardian and the BBC hate him with a passion
the guardian in particular will accuse him of anything - they loathe him beyond words. The BBC has been some way from impartial in the way they cover Corbyn as well

Obvs the corbyn haters will jump on the bandwagon

Wrong assumption - I was being very specific

My mistake @thm.

Didn't Cameron stop people in his office going after Boris with both barrels? Stopped personalised attacks on Boris. A poster with Boris in Farage's pocket was the example used iirc

teamhurtmore - Member

Ducks, that is blindingly obvious.

Actually it isn't, money wasn't the reason iirc.