Jeremy Corbyn

Has binners ever liked a politician, ever?

Don't be ridiculous!

On a related note to issues touched on earlier in this thread, Owen Smith saying he'll call another referendum has got UKIP dancing with glee, and another example of still absolutely totally failing to get the message from the 'Northern Heartlands' which so resoundingly voted out of the EU.

But as Jezza is also a supporter of an open door immigration policy he can't capitalise on that. So it looks like either way, the leadership election is academic, as the next labour party leader is going to preside over the loss of a slew of seats to a UKIP party that is now actively targeting (very successfully) its former voters in its former 'heartlands' who still being resolutely ignored by everyone at Westminster, bearded or otherwise.

So... at the end of the day... 2 bald blokes fighting over a comb

Add to this what Lunge correctly observed. That very few, if any, cenrtist voters will go for Corbyn

The problem for Labour is that it needs people like Binners to vote for them to get into power.

That certainly isn't a problem for Labour. If there's one thing this thread has taught us it's that binners is not a typical voter. He has gone from extreme support for Corbyn to extreme opposition to Corbyn, he claims to be a Labour supporter but is more right-wing on rail nationalisation than most Tory voters, dismissing it as mad leftie nonsense.

I have done a lot of election work over the years knocking on thousands of doors of ordinary voters, I have never heard anyone rant the way binners rants on here.

Binners always takes an extreme position ........extreme opposition to everything.

The problem for Labour is that it needs people like Binners to vote for them to get into power. You win elections in the centre ground, not the left of the right. The left will vote for Corbyn, the right will vote Tory, that's easy, but the centre will decide who to vote for and so, who will win. Right now, Labour under Corbyn, IMO, will get very few centre ground votes so will lose any election with him at the helm.

Nonsense - Momentum are merely the vanguard of a popular revolution. With one wave of his red flag comrade Corbyn will lead us into the broad, sunlit uplands of liberation

the leadership election is academic, as the next labour party leader is going to preside over the loss of a slew of seats to a UKIP party that is now actively targeting (very successfully) its former voters in its former 'heartlands'

So are you saying labour can't win unless it lowers itself to the 'northern heartlands' view on immigration? It's lost me, and I suspect many others who actually bother to vote if that's true.

If there's one thing this thread has taught us it's that binners is not a typical voter. He has gone from extreme support for Corbyn to extreme opposition to Corbyn

On the contrary comrade. This makes me a typical voter. Tribal loyalties are over. Finished. As recent results in previously bomb-proof labour constituancies in Scotalnd and the north demonstrate.

People will be pragmatic, and judge politicians on their actions, or propsed actions. How many times I have to repeat this to you I don't know.... I was all for Corbyn giving it a go as he represented something new. I hoped he'd tone down the wilder leftie rhetoric, and moderate his stance on things to try and broaden his appeal to be inclusive of more centrist voters, while shifting the centre of gravity to the left.

But he hasn't, has he? Far from it. Right from the off (when he refused to sing the national anthem - grow up FFS!!) he's been an utter disaster. Utterly ineffectual as a buttress against the Tories, and politically clueless as he's staggered from on elephant trap to another (unilateral nuclear disarmament... seriously?).

And his nose-diving poll ratings reflect this. People in the UK (except you and your fellow cult members) don't do extreme left or right. They don't like idealogues. They're inherently distrustful of them. Especially ones that look like cult leaders.

People (hey.. like me...) will vote according to who they deem to be competent, and who they trust to do the job properly on a credible economic and political platform.

And that, Comrade, aint Jezza

Sorry

You may not like the way things are. But they are what they are comrade

the 'Northern Heartlands' which so resoundingly voted out of the EU.

Why though? Considered opposition on solid grounds, or just knee jerk xenophobia? Or a mix of poorly considered ideas?

I'd sooner not have my country held to ransom by that shit, if that's the case. But you know, the PEOPLE MUST BE RESPECTED and all that 🙄

I hope more politicians to oppose that particular bit of popular will. Democracy my arse.

People in the UK don't do extreme left or right.

Can we get this point cleared up please?

[b]CORBYN IS NOT EXTREME LEFT[/b]

CORBYN IS NOT EXTREME LEFT

And Farage was not extreme right

Didn't do them much good in the general election though, despite gaining 12.6% of the overall vote

CORBYN IS NOT EXTREME LEFT

Obama is a "leftie" in the US, yet he's way right of the Tories. It's not a case of comparing it to the whole political spectrum, it's looking at it within the context of UK politics.

As Binners rightly says:

People (hey.. like me...) will vote according to who they deem to be competent, and who they trust to do the job properly on a credible economic and political platform.

And that, Comrade, aint Jezza

But compared the recent UK politics he is.

No, not extreme left - just normal left.

Just read this article by Rafeal Behr in the Grauniad

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/24/labour-complains-tories-govern ]While labour complains, the Tories simply govern.[/url]

Its the most concise appraisal yet of the difference in view between the evangelical Corbynites and your average voter, and perfectly sumarises why he hasn't a hope of winning a general election.

[i]To pack a venue with hundreds of people chanting in unison, declaring their allegiance on T-shirts, is an achievement matched by non-league football clubs that never win trophies and indie bands that never top the charts. It is politics as a serious hobby, leaving serious politics to the professionals.

The Tories understand this.[/i]
[i]
A historic failure of Labour has been the inability to challenge an unspoken cultural presumption – internalised even by many of the party’s supporters – that Tory rule is Britain’s default setting, interrupted only by episodes of leftward correction. Tony Blair unsettled that view, then his party disowned the achievement. May is now the happy beneficiary of a return to the traditional roles: Tories govern; Labour complains. [/i]

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts no that comrade?

No, not extreme left - just normal left

That is fine, he is well within his rights to be, but you can't expect anyone to win an election with views on the extremes of the countries political spectrum.

Edit, good article Binners.

but right now, in today's UK political landscape he is extreme

I still disagree with even that, tbh.

Ah, Corbyn now admits the train wasn't "full" but that he wanted "two empty seats together"

Well, we'd all like that, wouldn't we snowflake 😆

I still disagree with even that, tbh.

Out of interest, who else is further left?

Extreme ? Not sure, hard left by today's standards definitely. Europe's most left leaning government after Greece has just announced tax cuts for small business to try and boost employment. Corbyn has many views / "policies" not seen anywhere in European Government aside from Greece :- NATO, Trident/Nuclear weapons, Armed Police, Nationalisation (not really possible in the EU anyway), Middle East

Ah, Corbyn now admits the train wasn't "full" but that he wanted "two empty seats together"

Well, we'd all like that, wouldn't we snowflake

😀

Reserve two seats together then you muppett. All Corbyn and his cronies wanted to do was make a film.

I am a difficult so and so but if it where me I would have sued him for liable misrepresenting my business. Made him climb down formally with a grovelling public apology, and a travel ban too.

Ah, Corbyn now admits the train wasn't "full" but that he wanted "two empty seats together"

Well, we'd all like that, wouldn't we snowflake - if only someone invented a system where you could book ahead !

Also: its considerably more expensive if you just rock up instead of booking in advance. Where does that fit with the 'man of the people' schtick? Just looks like he was deliberately trying to make a point. But like everything else he does, did it it spectacularly incompetently and ended up shooting himself in the foot, and looking like a political amateur

Has binners ever liked a politician, ever?

Apart from odd balls who does? Most people vote for the least bad option, not one they like.

Funny Jambs you say that I'd been thinking he was luck not to have Virgin going after him legally.

Also oddly if he wanted to make a film about full trains a quick ask would have thrown up daily rammed commuter trains up and down the country, he could have taken his pick. Mind most wouldn't have had space for him to sit on the floor and be filmed.

Also: its considerably more expensive if you just rock up instead of booking in advance. Where does that fit with the 'man of the people' schtick?

Sometimes you don't know when you want to travel in advance. I don't always.

Sometimes you don't know when you want to travel in advance. I don't always.

I laughed when I heard the Virgin rebuttal had suggested he book in advance. I suppose the leader of the opposition knows exactly when he needs to travel months in advance. "Sorry Mrs May, I'm going to have to leave this meeting early, my train ticket's for a specific train and non-refundable."

Imagine if he'd sat in someone elses reserved seat!!!

Imagine if he'd sat in someone elses reserved seat!!!

His predecessor as leader did that right in front of me at Lords the other day!

Just looks like he was deliberately trying to make a point. But like everything else he does, did it it spectacularly incompetently and ended up shooting himself in the foot, and looking like a political amateur

This.

Defending JC's actions is incomprehensible.

Sometimes you don't know when you want to travel in advance. I don't always.

The hustings in Gateshead was published ten days in advance:

http://labourlist.org/2016/08/labour-leadership-hustings-dates-and-times/

Given that he was one of the two people whose attendance was pretty vital, you would have to assume that he checked his diary before agreeing to it

Just looks like he was deliberately trying to make a point. But like everything else he does, did it it spectacularly incompetently and ended up shooting himself in the foot, and looking like a political amateur

This is true of most "leading" politicians when they try the "Average Man/Woman on the Street" gag, it never works, because they aren't, generally. They're either genuinely that awkward (see bacon or Pasties) or they've been in the rarefied atmosphere of politics so long it looks as false as it is.

Does he know who Ant & Dec are yet?

You can't arrange yourself a seat on a train for a journey you knew about weeks in advance? And you want to run the countries economy?

Or you were just intending to pull a cheap political stunt of the type you've been so loftily disdainful of?

What would your ideal candidate be like, binners? Seriously? What would his/her policies be?

I blame Fatcha!

Ah, Corbyn now admits the train wasn't "full" but that he wanted "two empty seats together"

Well, we'd all like that, wouldn't we snowflake

What a flake!

Pathetic.

Any comments from the comrades?

Well I'm a Tory apparently Molls, (or traitorous scum) so ask Theresa whether she's got any policies yet?

Actually...Blair without the craven American Bomby stuff, the unquestioning indulgence of the shysters in The City, and...well... Blair, and his messiah complex.

I think its pathetic that everything else other than Iraq is glossed over by the left as they re-write Jeremy's fairy-tale history. Those labour administrations were genuinely progressive and did a lot of good. Achieved a lot more than Jeremy has in his 30 years shouting from the back-benches. But you're not allowed to say that. You have to shout 'WAR CRIMINAL' from the common room, and leave your political analysis at that

Sometimes you don't know when you want to travel in advance. I don't always.

and those trains are priced so you'd have to be pretty desperate to book last minute.

And considering the number of their party they could have hired a people carrier and drove up for les than the tickets.

Or maybe even a taxi.

Wouldn't have made such good movie material though.

Actually...Blair without the craven American Bomby stuff, the unquestioning indulgence of the shysters in The City, and...well... Blair, and his messiah complex.

Having had the "pleasure" of working for a state controlled bank for 9 months I can safely say politicians and banks are the absolute worst combination.

Well, given that you still have a bank to work at, and wouldn't have if you'd not been bailed out by the taxpayer, it seems fairly obvious to me that the worst combination is still better for you than the government not stepping in at all.

I think its pathetic that everything else other than Iraq is glossed over by the left as they re-write Jeremy's fairy-tale history. Those labour administrations were genuinely progressive and did a lot of good

Is the minimum wage, Scottish devolution and the independence of the Bank of England more or less important than the killing of 100s of thousands of innocent people, hundreds of british servicemen, and the destabilisation of an entire region resulting in widespread terrorism, the destruction of entire countries, and the displacement of millions of refugees? I don't really think anything Blair's administration did can even come close to compensating for Iraq. Blair always said history would be his judge, so it must be comforting for him to see his legacy being so quickly forgotten.

I think its pathetic that everything else other than Iraq is glossed over by the left

I agree. As I've been saying all along, we need to have a proper debate about what policies we want - not just scream and shout, which is what everyone does and it ruins the whole process.

I don't really think anything Blair's administration did can even come close to compensating for Iraq.

Yet you lot all voted for him again...

Nobody is endorsing it Daz. Or putting it in a league table.

But to refuse to acknowledge any other policy, and accept any other more nuanced view is just juvenile. What do you think the country would have looked like after 13 more years of the Tories?

Well... looks like we're about to find out

Yet you lot all voted for him again...

Not me. I didn't vote labour again until the last election.

I don't really think anything Blair's administration did can even come close to compensating for Iraq.

This isn't about exonerating Blair, it's about policies that we like, and would like to see continued under a new government headed by someone else.

Corbyn has many views / "policies" not seen anywhere in European Government aside from Greece :- NATO, Trident/Nuclear weapons, Armed Police, Nationalisation (not really possible in the EU anyway), Middle East

This'll be like shooting fish in a barrel...

1) NATO: Austria, Sweden, Finland, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus are all in the EU but are not members of NATO
2) Nukes: Aside from the UK, only France has nuclear weapons in the EU
3) Armed police: Try talking about "shoot to kill" with Jean Charles de Menezes' family...
4) Nationalisation: France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Ireland have nationalised railways. France has a nationalised energy company
5) I think all European countries want peace and justice in the middle east

Nobody is endorsing it Daz. Or putting it in a league table.

Not saying anyone is endorsing it (although Hilary Benn is doing a bloody good job of showing that the labour right is back on message with the militarists), but you shouldn't underestimate just how many labour supporters are still scarred by it. I know many people who still won't even consider voting labour because of Iraq, even under Corbyn.

What do you think the country would have looked like after 13 more years of the Tories?

Broadly similar to what it does now. Tories wearing red ties are still Tories.

Broadly similar to what it does now. Tories wearing red ties are still Tories.

And its precisely that type of dismissive, mindless, reactionary, student common room, lefty cobblers that have led the labour party to its present shambolic, totally unelectable state. As a silly, shouty, juvenile little protest group, waving its placards and chanting its slogans from the political wilderness.

And until the more left leaning members of the labour party ****ing grow up, stop being so bloody stupid and acknowledge how ridiculous statements like that are, then they won't get so much as a sniff at a general election

What do you think the country would have looked like after 13 more years of the Tories?

it's about policies that we like, and would like to see continued under a new government headed by someone else.

Indeed. I'm generally of the opinion that people are a lot more radical than politicians and the media will admit. A party with genuinely radical (that doesn't mean extreme), innovative policies which address obvious problems would do very well I think. Policies like:

- Making the rich and corporations pay their tax (all of it)
- Universal basic income
- A nationwide integrated public transport system with affordable fares
- Real affordable housing both to buy and rent.
- Legalisation/decriminalisation of drugs (we're ready now I think)
- Free higher/post-school education or training

I don't even think Corbyn is suggesting half of those above. Quite frankly I (and I think many others) would vote for any party which implemented just one or two of them.

edit: *awaits flaming by everyone as some nutcase ideologue*

is it public services paid for by PPI, a messy middle eastern war with a terrible "peace" and shed load of academy schools?

A government able to organise a [s]seat on a train[/s] pissup in a brewery would be nice though.

In the last 4 general elections I have voted for Labour, Lib Dem and Tory (and yes, one of them twice).

I voted for Blair as I felt he was a good balance between left and right and had policies that both sides could embrace. Because of that, he got into power and stayed there. No Labour leader since then has come close to making me vote for them.

Yes, Blairs legacy should rightly be the war/Middle East problems. But, as Binners says, he got into power by making large swaths of people think Labour were a viable option to run the country. Corbyn can't do this. If Labour want to be in power again they could do worse then steal some of Blair's policies.

I find it staggering how delusional some on the left are. Saying that the Labour Party under Blair was just the same as the Tory party is absolutely ridiculous. And if you can seriously be maintaining that, (as those around The Glorious Leader, and his mindless acolytes seem to be), then you can't expect many people to dignify your opinions with the remotest shred of credibility.

It is genuinely a laughable, sub-6th form common room level of political analysis

And its precisely that type of dismissive, mindless, reactionary, student common room, lefty cobblers that have led the labour party to its present shambolic, totally unelectable state. As a silly, shouty, juvenile little protest group, waving its placards and chanting its slogans from the political wilderness.

And until the more left leaning members of the labour party ****ing grow up, stop being so bloody stupid and acknowledge how ridiculous statements like that are, then they won't get so much as a sniff at a general election

Look chum, it's you who's been the shouty one. I made a simple remark that has more than just a little fact to back it up.

And as for growing up, how about accepting a mandate that 65% of your party membership voted for the current leader as their first preference and concentrating on being the opposition to the government, rather than the opposition to themselves? Also, holding the government to account for possibly the most damaging domestic decision made in recent times, rather than using it as an excuse for a childish coup that if they'd read their own party rule book they would have known had no chance of success.

If Corbyn's only success is to drag the centre of British politics back somewhere towards the left of Thatcher, even from opposition, then that's still a better outcome than him never having bothered and some red Tory cardboard cut-out pretending not to be Tory while governing on a manifesto based mainly on Tory policy.

I find it staggering how delusional some on the left are.

Given you're allegedly a Labour man, I think you demonstrate the delusion of some on the left perfectly. Just toddle off and join the Tories - you appear to be one - you just appear delusional that neoliberalism is a policy of the left.

how about accepting a mandate that 65% of your party membership voted

It is genuinely a laughable, sub-6th form common room level of political analysis

Its not really ludicrous to say tony was not very labour/left wing and was a bit tory/rw centrist. I assume all but the most fervently polemic would see this.

Jeremy's description of what happened:

"But, let's get to the details of it. Yes I did walk through the train. Yes I did look for two empty seats together so I could sit down with my wife to talk to her.

"That wasn't possible and so I went to the end of the train. The train manager, who was a very nice gentleman, came along and we had a very nice chat about the problems of overcrowding... he then very kindly did find some seats and after 42 minutes I went back through the train to the seats he had allocated."

Must've forgotten the bit where he sat down on the floor and talked bollocks.

A start would be stop looking at what the party membership wants

start looking what the rest of the country wants.

[i]Just toddle off and join the Tories[/i]

That seems to be the attitude of all the Corbynites to anyone who disagrees with the Glorious Leader. Without stopping to think that once you've told everyone to **** off and join the Tories, there's nobody actually left to vote for you.

A slight hitch in the masterplan

500,000 delusional lefties waving placards with their cult leader on aren't going to win a general election I'm afraid

I find it staggering how delusional some on the left are.

Delusions are in no way limited to the left!

It is genuinely a laughable, sub-6th form common room level of political analysis

With all respect due I don't think it's helpful to keep referring to criticisms of Labour's very real Tory-centric shift of those years as 6th form analysis.

start looking what the rest of the country wants.
So they need to become tories then?

Shouldn't think so. The rest of the voting public aren't "tories"

They're just, for the most part, not likely to vote for a bunch of clowns...

So they need to become tories then?

You've got 7 million people who voted Lib Dem in 2010. I suspect a chunk of those don't want to vote Tory but sure as hell won't vote Labour in its current form. How about you target those?

With all respect due I don't think it's helpful to keep referring to criticisms of Labour's very real Tory-centric shift of those years as 6th form analysis.

Nail. Head. Hit. Hammer. The. On.

Binners: you don't like Corbyn. Fine, we get it.

Now, which of these two outcomes do you think would have been better:

1) The parliamentary party learns to deal with its unexpected new leader, but does so in good grace for the immediate good not only of the party but for the country as a whole and allows him to propose his own policies while providing staunch opposition to the government, or;

2) Large portions of the parliamentary party constantly and actively foster disunity to try to undermine a leader they know has a powerful mandate from the people who select their leader, and decide that a guaranteed to fail coup is a better option than sticking it to what appeared to be a mortally wounded Tory party after the referendum?

One might just have resulted in a Labour government a few years from now, and if not, it would have had a strong effect on redefining the centre somewhere more towards the um, centre. The other has resulted in zero opposition, a whole load of navel gazing, and the apparently accurate impression that the Labour party is an absolute shambles

If I was leader of the opposition I would hope my PA would have a copy of my diary, would have booked my tickets in advance and made sure I had reserved seats. If a PA can't manage that then there is a question mark regarding his/her ability. Personally I would have far more faith in a leader of this country paying the extra and sitting in first class than choosing to sit on the floor!

Why don't the green target them then or UKIP or the BNP?

Its almost like parties have principles[good bad, woful, repellent whatever], they stand on a platform and the electorate decide

So many of you think the goal is JUST to win and you do whatever is required to win. No wonder you admire tony so much 😉

I get why you argue this I dont understand why you dont get the alternative view/approach.
The reality is it requires both an alternative to the tories and the mass appeal as those disillusioned with politics are not rushing out i their droves to vote for not quite Tory and those not voting wont turn out in enough numbers to win an election [ probably]

Zokes nails it with his 6th form analysis

it only lacked the intellectual rigour of Binners mature name calling to earn a like from me

sticking it to what appeared to be a mortally wounded Tory party after the referendum?

Mortally wounded? Sorry fella, but you really are delusional. They had their internal squabbles done and dusted in a matter of days, with typical ruthless businesslike efficiency, and are right now drawing up their agenda for the next 4 years of totally unopposed rule

No, but they need to appeal to people who may once have voted Tory and perhaps are looking for another option.

Or they could appeal to the 34% of the population that didn't bother to vote, possibly because they're fed up with tories wearing blue, red or yellow ties. They could also appeal to the 4 million who voted for UKIP through a demonstration that there is another way - Labour has lost a lot of its vote in the last NuLab years to UKIP. They could appeal to the 1 million who voted Green by taking on some of their more socially progressive policies while also providing a realistic chance of them actually being made law.

FWIW, I voted LibDem in 2010 and voted Labour in 2015. Had there been a Green candidate I would have voted for them in 2015. If there was a Greens candidate in 2020 but Labour have managed to throw off their NuLab dalliance with the neoliberal status quo, I'd vote Labour. If Corbyn hadn't happened, I can't imagine me voting Labour except as a least worst option.

I get why you argue this I dont understand why you dont get the alternative view/approach.

Because they secretly want to live in a one-party state under the cloak of 'democracy'? The Chinese must think all this is hilarious. To think we go round the world telling everyone how great democracy is, and even start wars to force it on people who don't want it, and yet we don't seem to understand it ourselves, and make a complete pigs ear of implementing it.

They had their internal squabbles done and dusted in a matter of days, with typical ruthless businesslike efficiency, and are right now drawing up their agenda for the next 4 years of totally unopposed rule

And why did they get away with it? Could it have been because the self-obsessed PLP decided that rather than shoot at an open opposition goal, they chose to take out their own keeper with a two-footed sliding tackle, then fail to even score in their own net?

Or are you saying that even with your Messiah, Blair, at the helm of the PLP the Tories would have been able to dust themselves off just as quickly? Because you seem to be conceding that the Tories would have sorted themselves out regardless of whether the opposition was pursuing them effectively or not.

3) Work towards effectively removing a leader who clearly can't lead, manage or seeming do anything useful. While continuing to represent the constituencies that elected them as Labour MPs under the manifesto.

When your own MPs who have a wide spectrum of backgrounds, personalities and views are almost to a man against you, then the only common theme is you.

I don't think Corbyn advocating triggering article 50 straight away, did his own or his party any help with credibility. That was an own goal right there, the PLP's ineffectual bungling then just the compounded it.

We are where we are. Whats absolutely certain is that you'd have been able to hear the laughter echoing round Downing Street at the bearded messiahs latest PR suicide attempt, and a little moment of delight at the thought that that is the 'opposition' she'll be facing for the next 4 years.

She's just been handed a free pass to do what she bloody well likes.

No doubt the bearded ones poll ratings will continue in freefall after this latest farce, with all but the cult members in the bunker, who will, somewhat inexplicably, take this as further proof of how great he is!

Labour's very real Tory-centric shift

Corbyn was always on the left of Labour, even in the eighties

In fact he was so far to the left of the Labour party that the Tories used him as an example of the hard left in a 1987 advert:

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So, are you staying that Corbyn has moved to the right as well? Or is he still the hard left loony Labour **** that he was back then?

Or they could appeal to the 34% of the population that didn't bother to vote

Well Corbyn tried to unseat Kinnock as the party wasn't left enough under Kinnock's leadership.

Fact Corbyn wants to re-open the mines makes you wonder what decade he is living in.

Lib Dems be trolling like
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binners - Member
Just toddle off and join the Tories

That seems to be the attitude of all the Corbynites to anyone who disagrees with the Glorious Leader.

Obviously, that is how cuckoos work. Take over the nest and kick the incumbents out.

When can we get past ideology and back to the crux of the issue - competence?

binners - Member

"Just toddle off and join the Tories"

That seems to be the attitude of all the Corbynites to anyone who disagrees with the Glorious Leader. Without stopping to think that once you've told everyone to **** off and join the Tories, there's nobody actually left to vote for you.

There you go again with your ridiculous pretense that you are a typical voter. You are no more a typical voter than I am binners. I meet "typical voters" all the time I never hear anyone rant about the Left the way you do.

If I heard someone ranting about the Left the way you do I would assume that they were a member of the Tory Party, or the BNP, or the English Democrats, or some other right-wing party (although TBH I think your anti-Left rants are a bit too extreme for the Tory Party).

It is not the job of the Labour Party to attempt to attract people like you who despise the Left. What do you think the Tory Party is there for?

Th Corbyn quote of the day below, which begs the question whether threatening companies is now Labour policy?

I do by the way look forward to meeting Virgin Trains to discuss these issues because I do think that there are – even before we take them back into public ownership - regulatory issues that need to be discussed and I’m very happy to do that.

And Virgin Trains have been in touch, I’m happy to meet them. We don’t have closed door or closed minds.”

1) The parliamentary party learns to deal with its unexpected new leader, but does so in good grace for the immediate good not only of the party but for the country as a whole and allows him to propose his own policies while providing staunch opposition to the government,

Some tried. Have you read the accounts of ex-shadow cab members? Are they all lying? Really? What if they're telling the truth and he's not up to the job? Is that a possibility?