I didn't.
In what way, it was made by a Labour Party supporter of Corbyn ?
In that case not reading a word from you ever again would bore me rigid
Not really, when I was away in Asia for a month offline you just devoted your attention elsewhere. You are not that choosey.
Was he filmed eating a bacon sandwich? That would be a dead giveaway.
Corbyn achieved the same thing by being Chair of Stop the War Coalition (that being the key word - coalition of very curious groups), no need for him to do the Bacon sandwich plus of course he's not Jewish in the first place.
plus of course he's not Jewish in the first place.
Well of course not.....no Jew could ever become leader of the Labour Party, haven't you heard?
Well of course not.....no Jew could ever become leader of the Labour Party, haven't you heard?
Miliband needed to prove his non-Jewishness, he was always clear about the fact he had not been raised in a practicing family. You only need watch the VICEnews piece to understand how carefully stage managed everything is these days. The sarnie episode was very very carefully thought out, just horribly executed.
The sarnie episode was very very carefully thought out, just horribly executed.
Do you have any sort of proof that it was Ed trying prove his non Jewish Ness, or is it just wild supposition?
If your source is the guy who keeps has to keep his Nazis tattoos covered up while youre manning the vote leave stall, it won't be considered credible 😉
Miliband needed to prove his non-Jewishness, he was always clear about the fact he had not been raised in a practicing family.
Was he? I can't say I can ever recall Miliband talking about his non-observant Jewish family - you reckon he was always making that point?
Of course it doesn't come as a surprise to me as his father was a renowned marxist.
And we know that no one ever thinks of Karl Marx was a Jew because wasn't a practicing Jew.
Not really, when I was away in Asia for a month offline you just devoted your attention elsewhere,
Even if it was true it would not mean i was not bored but hey you keep using those non sequitirs
Secondly How would you know if you were offline
Miliband needed to prove his non-Jewishness
?nly in jambyland can a jewish labour leader be proof of anti semitism from the left....how can one debate with someone who uses "facts" like this and argue that making atit of yourelf publicly is "stage managed"
Is JC(not Jesus Christ) still the leader of that Democratic People's Republic party?
Shouldn't they start nominating their next leader coz JC(not Jesus Christ) is so yesterday, I mean so boring now ... so so bored ... They should move with the trend man.
@Alex I really would like to know your view ?
How could you have missed it?
See if this helps.
You :
I thought it was balanced
Him :
I didn't.
From 3:30-4 10 I think he managed to address your issue very well
Ha - it just seemed like each scene was designed to fall flat.
Watch it a second time thinking that it's a hatchet job and you'll see what I mean. The soundtrack early on plays a doom-laden note over his victory for example.
That comment at the beginning about voting for Jeremy was deliberately meant to reframe what you were watching into thinking that this was Jeremy in his best light.
Common lies were repeated - that the £3 voters 'swept him into office'.
As is common for the press, it completely avoids talking about policy and looks for the controversy instead.
That's not to say that I liked what I saw though - I didn't. But it's hard to know whether they deliberately chose the least confidence-inspiring scenes.
After this week's revelations about Captain America, this is not so much of a shock, especially since we have been forewarned of his anti semetic tendencies by jambs
http://newsthump.com/2016/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-unmasked-as-hydra-agent/
alex is correct I tried really hard to watch to the end- lots of times I wanted to just give up as about every few minutes there was a pretty clear dig. At 25 mins you get cameron having a pop about anti semitism terrorist sympathiser then it cuts out before Corbyn actually replies- its pretty blatant editing IMHO
Even the intro is designed to make him sound inexperienced and with no expertise who "took over". The bit where he said he votes for him- about 2 mins in
" we were looking for a new kind of politics but from the outside it looks like nothing has changed"
Did he join the party to get access and to say that or was he a lifelong member?
It was interesting on some levels as clearly corbyn does not get the media savvy shallow nature of UK politics and he really struggles with the spin and presentation of it all.
He does seem to have a natural bonhomie with individuals
Hatchet job trying to pretend not to be a hatchet job IMHO
@Alex and @Junky interesting thanks. Corbyn was undoubtably supported by new members and £3 (not members) votes - you could interpret the journalist as trying to say something positive. If I remember correctly from that PMQ's Corbyn didn't really say anything in responce he stuck to his original question. Cameron went on to make the same demand/request a number of times as Corbyn wasn't responding. Corbyn can't deliver a "new kind of politics" particularly in just a few months and not least as he's the opposition so can't do anything really. You have to win an election to change anything
I posted the video as I thought it was interesting. Corbyn does really need to back off the BBC criticism though, he just looks daft.
Armando Iannuci couldn't have scripted some of that
Though I think we know how the PMQ attack lines got leaked:
Corbyn does really need to back off the BBC criticism though, he just looks daft.
The media is out to get him and none more so than the intellectual left leaning intelligentsia - see also the guardian
they hate him more than I hate blair
I tend to agree a lefty like him/me wont win an general election bit lets ee]]That said the media really is out to get him - hence the "anti semitism smear " - what did corbyn call it in the link?
- labour has a problem with anti semitism under corbyn utterly disgusting subliminal nastiness- he seems to be obsessed with me
actually watch the minute from 3 30 on - its pretending to be praise but its all digs
Ah, the "right wing media" problem again 😆
The BBC is about as anti-Corbyn as they are pro-Trump - it's not their fault he is stumbling around like a clown in a minefield.
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Much of fhe left is against Corbyn as they see him condeming them to another 5 years of oppostion from 2020-25 whether he's leader by then or not. He's so weak on so many issues and his party so divided its obvious its going to get reported by the BBC. He likes chatting to the party faithful who in turn like him very much. That however will not win a general election.
Secondly How would you know if you were offline
Junky I missed this earlier .. I know as when I got back online I read through some old threads to catch up, it was liks I had never been away.
it was liks I had never been away.
To be honest I never missed you.
How long were you away for?
2 months in Asia (Jan-Feb) and a month in the Alps(March) only offline for a few weeks though quite a bit of wifi even in Laos
offline for a few weeks
Gosh. Still when you got back you managed to catch up by going through the old threads, there's dedication for you. I can't be arsed to see what I've missed if I've not looked for a day or two.
Do you think people believe this globe trotting man of business/luxury bullshit that you try to incessantly promote?jambalaya - Member
2 months in Asia (Jan-Feb) and a month in the Alps(March) only offline for a few weeks though quite a bit of wifi even in Laos
You, and thm, really do try too hard at it...
I still have my suspicions you both are the same person btw! 😆
TBH I don't think he's wrong regarding bias. For example, Sadiq Khan and Corbyn both made the same comment, using almost exactly the same words, calling for a united party. The BBC reported that Khan was demanding unity, while Corbyn was pleading. A very cheap but insidious tactic used widely in the media- one side of an argument states or clarifies, the other insists or claims, is a classic (be warned, once you've started noticing this, you can't stop). And Khan's comments were inexplicably depicted as a criticism of Corbyn. Another I remember, they described him as "no fan of defence" for not wanting to attack Syria. An unsubtle twist, that.
And his comment that the BBC narrative was "Corbyn's going to lose" before the local elections seems to be a simple statement of fact- and when Labour performed so much better than the BBC predicted, they reported it as "swerving universal disaster".
Nick Robinson says he's been shocked at how the BBC has rubbished Corbyn. But I'm sure he's a lefty and BBC hater, right?
Jeremy Corbyn was reached for comment, but his reply is not published because nobody wants to hear his sickening lies.
Listened to his speech this morning. it's done nothing to dissuade me that he's playing a very dangerous game on the referendum. Either he really doesn't believe his own words on staying in, or he's being uber-cautious on not repeating the mistakes of the scottish referendum. Both I suspect. Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.
Either he really doesn't believe his own words on staying in
Surely if that was the case, he would have written articles saying that we should leave the EU in the past? Unless of course he's deleted them all...
Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.
He wants an out vote. Always has.
He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.
Its hard to say if hes fully committed
but i definitely think that hes aware of the damage saving Cameron's bacon in the last referendum did to labour, with those who were once core voters
5thElefant - Member
He wants an out vote. Always has.Either way he's not doing much to combat the prospect of an out vote.He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.
JC(not Jesus Christ) would gain more respect if he has stuck to his real feeling of Vote OUT, coz that is what he was in his "younger" years.
Instead he sold his soul like most politicians do in exchange for power and position, so where is this principle of his he is talking about?
At least we know our current PM is spineless and toast on his way out to be big earner future conference motivation speaker ...
Ya, told you ALL politicians would sell their soul for a bob or two. Ya, principle my foot ...
Question is ... do we/you have two "leaders" that cannot stand their grounds? Are we/you screwed?
@ernie I would agree I spend far too much time on STW chat threads.
@seaso bit of work and day to living in Asia is much cheaper than here in Europe, accomodation is $5 a day or staying with mates for free. I acknowledge 4 days in Zermatt for wedding anniversary wasn't cheap but friends in Verbier put us up for free, quid-pro-quo for when they stay with us in London. Will be doing same again in August.
@dazh what I do admire Corbyn for is he cannot hide his true feelings, he's a bad liar. He does not believe in Remain or the EU but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.
but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.
Surely that makes the hypocrisy worse, given his stand on Trident?
As Marx said: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
He is showing some rare common sense in keeping well out of it.
Apart from you risk becoming an irrelevance.
Anyway my gut is the stay in vote will win the referendum by a decent amount, with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.
with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.
Interesting thought - Cameron becomes the bloke who took on the 'bastards', Corbyn left looking mealy mouthed and ineffective.
Whatever the result will be, will be coz all of us will have to bear that burden. The people ask for it the people get it so let's see who will benefit most. As for the PM ... he is toast.dragon - Member
Anyway my gut is the stay in vote will win the referendum by a decent amount, with the result that Cameron's position becomes strengthened.
kimbers - Memberbut i definitely think that hes aware of the damage saving Cameron's bacon in the last referendum did to labour, with those who were once core voters
TBH though, with the Remain campaign being so totally wedded to Project Fear and hysteria, there's a huge amount of room for other parties to operate in other areas. Exactly what the SNP have been doing in fact.
Corbyn's personal stance seems a bit like mine tbh. He's obviously not pro EU. But you don't have to be pro EU, to be against exit, at this point in time, lots of people are choosing their least bad option. So you end up believing that Remain is the right choice even though you don't want it to be. Nothing wrong with that but it's kind of hard to be impassioned about it, and your level of conviction will always seem lacking beside the absolutists and fervoured.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Nuance? Get out!
Exactly what the SNP have been doing in fact.
1/3 of SNP voters will be voting leave
Then again 5% of UKIP voters are voting stay - they really are a very stupid bunch aren't they
Then again 5% of UKIP voters are voting stay - they really are a very stupid bunch aren't they
Certainky that 5%, they must have misunderstood the question surely.
I agreed with most of the LeftLeave material @ernie posted
ninfan - Member
but he is responding to what the party has decided the campaign stance should be.
Surely that makes the hypocrisy worse, given his stand on Trident?
As Marx said: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others
What's it called when Boris does it? Or is that better because no-one could ever think he's got principles?
I agreed with most of the LeftLeave material @ernie posted
No you don't ! 😆
Btw my name isn't @ernie.
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RE : Corbyn's EU stance. I am a fervent supporter of democratic centralism, it is vital in any democratic organisation. It guarantees democracy and unity.
I will happily campaign for policies which I have previously opposed, understanding as I do both the supremacy and virtue of democracy.
However democratic centralism requires the fullest level of democratic debate and the fullest level of participation.
There has been no democratic debate within the Labour Party with regards to the EU.
Since the hard right seized power democratic debate has become a distant memory.
I am sure that Corbyn's present position on the EU is based on his belief that as leader he must take a stance which reflects the general consensus and maintains the highest level of party unity.
To a degree I respect him on that, but I believe he is wrong. EU membership does not imo serve the interests of ordinary working people, and his EU stance makes a mockery of his alleged commitment to fight austerity, privatisation, corporatocracy, neoliberalism, and western adventurism.
As the Labour Party once stated, back in the day when it engaged in democratic debate :
[i][b]"The next Labour government, committed to radical, socialist policies for reviving the British economy, is bound to find continued membership a most serious obstacle to the fulfilment of those policies".
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He needs to focus on the democratisation of the Labour Party, something which he hasn't even began to tackle.
And have the debate......if the case for continued EU membership is so strong then the pro-EUers will win the argument. Although it's obviously too late for the coming referendum.
Junkyard - lazarus1/3 of SNP voters will be voting leave
Yup, exactly- and they'll most probably vote SNP and Leave without having their heads explode with paradox. There's plenty of scope to campaign on the same side as political enemies, and to run a campaign for something without alienating those who're against.
Then again, a lot of people have fallen for the whole "Scottish Labour paid the price for campaigning alongside the Tories" bullshit, and while I'm not quite sure if Scottish Labour themselves believe it, they certainly do like to use it as an excuse. So it's entirely possible that it's something Corbyn believes or has been advised is true.
Since the [b]hard right [/b]seized power democratic debate has become a distant memory
@kingofcomedy
Because of course there's only a hard left. It must be true because the press tells us.
Amusing that you managed to quote from the suicide note Ernie - I think the public offered their opinion on that.
[i]"back in the day when it engaged in democratic debate"[/i] - you mean like when Foot vetoed Peter Tatchell as a Labour candidate?
Who would you define as hard right then? Kinnock?
You seem to have forgotten that it was the 'hard right' who had spent years calling for OMOV, against the power of the union block vote, that in the end Labour only adopted in '93.
I suppose you're now going to claim that one man one vote was some sort of low point in Labour party democracy 😆
Pretty much says it all doesn't it labrat/Z-11/ninfan, you of all people, who is on the far-right fringes of the Tory Party and indisputably hates the Labour Party, defends the Blairite reinvention of the Labour Party.
I rest my case.
