Yes, very funny
Hilarious.
Now you are going too far - very funny is enough.
Is THM really giving out lectures in how to successfully ignore people now
Its as useful as it is humourous
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Mornin' - I saw Blair suggest that Corbyn should automatically be on any leadership challenge ballot. All you anti-Balirites need to thank him for that as it would save Corbyn's bacon, or maybe its reverse psycology ? 🙂
Morning Jambas - did you finish the other ales? How's the weather?
Nah the next leadership contest will be a Tory one if Dave looses the EU vote
Fortunately as long as the 'young, educated and cultured' or whatever the anti-kipper is, come out to vote Dave should be safe
My lord you tories are getting some serious wood this morning about Blair and Corbyn
Is it just because you cannot discuss Zac Goldsmith playing the race card in london and failing so spectacularly?
I assume even the Blairites are sensible enough to realise that splitting the PLP from the membership is not going to lead to success. Corbyns downfall will continue to be predicted by the type of person who constantly gets [s]it [/s] everything completely wrong and then still insist they are satisfied with being wrong.
@tmh, sadly not all, 12 in two days would have been some going and I didn't fancy the home brewed largers. Very nice today, in Leeds for family bbq after seeing youngest perform at Northern School of Contemporary Dance. Insteresting factoid is the School is an old Synagogue !
Junky commented on Zac on the other thread, strange choice of Candidate for a contest its very hard for anyone other than the Labour candidate to win. Strange he accpeted the request to stand (comment last night that Cameron will be glad he lost as a victory for such a euro-skeptic would have been bad for the referendum). Goldsmith asked the obvious questions getting the obvious response and generating the predictable "racist" howls, reminds me of this Charlie Ebdo editorial
[url= https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/ ]How did we get here ?[/url]
David Miliband would have been right right choice had Labour wanted to win
I doubt it, I really think he was worse than his brother, at least his brother went for it.
Its not really a question that with the "had they wanted to win" cheap dig.
I suspect he was more popular with those who like superficial things but I am sure the media would have savaged him as much as they did "red ed" and as much as they are savinging Corbyn for "terrorist sympathiser" God knows what tenuous straw man they would have made up for him though - Jamby what dont you like about him 😉
I know jamby I read it and not one mention of his racism though even though high ranking Tories moaned about it
Still we all must have principles if not consistency
A new leadership election with MPs not putting Corbyn on the ballot would be the end of the Labour Party. Even Blair sees that. The only way for labour MPs to get rid of him, is to find a candidate who isn't a blairite or brownite metropolitan clone who understands working people. Once they do this they then have to persuade the membership to vote for them instead of simply telling them to. They would be much more successful in this if they accepted and worked with the current leader rather than acting like spoilt children.
And Jamba are you really complaining about goldsmith being called a racist given your obsessive attempts to label most people on the left as hitler apologist anti-Semites?
Cameron will be glad he lost
#jambaplanet
Goldsmith asked the obvious questions getting the obvious response and generating the predictable "racist" howls,
What question was that?
@Junky - Worth actually getting over who says it, and sitting down and listening to what he says
However, the membership don't care about a GE victory they just want a party of conscience - hecne Corbyn.
You have that on good authority do you?
Labour mayors for London and Bristol. Maybe a party with conscience [i]and[/i] some victories
So which of the specific points that Blair made would you disagree with V8ninety?
game over for the slimy bastards innit!! 🙂
I want that giveaway hat.
[s]So which of the specific points that Blair made would you disagree with V8ninety?[/s]Please respond to my desperate troll
FTFY
play the ball not the man Junky
or are you just trying to divert attention away from what Blair says being spot on again...
are you just trying to divert attention away
Asks the man who has taken diversionary tactics on forum threads to new giddy heights.
I like it when ninfan gets [s]polite [/s] desperate to get a response...its almost endearing. Futile but endearing
When you are serious I may respond till then Mleh
Junkyard - lazarusI like it when ninfan gets [s]polite [/s]desperate to get a response...its almost endearing. Futile but endearing
When you are serious I may respond till then Mleh
You serious? I mean really? Not kidding here. 😯
I thought you have been having some fun like me? Yes?
Crikey must be me command of poor English language.
How serious are you exactly? 😮
I see the [url= http://www.theguardian.com/global/commentisfree/2016/may/08/jeremy-corbyn-local-election-results-labour-leadership ]guardian has gone into anti-Corbyn overdrive again[/url]. So in the last year these so called media 'experts' told us it was a cast-iron certainty that we would get a hung parliament, then they said Corbyn couldn't win, then they said he wouldn't last past christmas, then when he did he wouldn't last past May. They also said the labour vote would collapse and they'd lose masses of councillors and councils. And whilst all this was going on labour won the London Mayoralty and Bristol too. If I were the editors of these idiots I'd be asking some serious questions about the quality of their 'analysis'.
If I were the editors of these idiots I'd be asking some serious questions about the quality of their 'analysis'.
Until they can point at a successor there isn't going to be a coup
What they are doing is writing easy column inches
He is going to stay on unless there are health issues or a really big cock up happens
THe guardian absolutely hate Corbyn
It really is quite blatant
Its like Jamby has decided what articles get printed,
Kahn has been pretty critical of Corbyn's "take sides" local election campaign and asked him to stay away from London, as did Welsh Labour. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
Hardly a ringing endorsement.
I don't think it's any secret many labour MPs are wary of Corbyn 🙂 What they need to get their head around though is that it's not their opinion that matters, it's the opinion of the voters, and labour party members that counts, and so far the former is holding up rather well, and the latter is as strong if not stronger than it was when he was elected.
As for Khan, I'll reserve judgement for now but I can't help but think there's a whiff of Hilary Benn about him.
Hardly a ringing endorsement.
[i][b]Khan was one of the most senior Labour politicians to nominate Corbyn for leader. Without Khan’s endorsement, Corbyn would never have made it onto the ballot. He’s confirmed that Corbyn will be an asset to his campaign to become mayor, and admitted Corbyn’s supporters will help him get elected. Khan has not voted against Corbyn in parliament since Corbyn became leader.’[/b][/i]
According to Lord Sugar.
[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/lord-sugar-savages-sadiq-khan-he-has-single-handedly-wrecked-the-labour-party/ ]Lord Sugar savages Sadiq Khan: ‘he has single-handedly wrecked the Labour Party’[/url]
Still, we probably shouldn't pay too much notice to a disgruntled right-winger.
What do you reckon jambalaya ?
Poor old Jezza - the Guardian against him too. I assume he wont be too worried about the FT carrying articles from his own party conspirators though...
We hung on,” was the bullish response of Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour party, to the local election results. But outside of the liberal citadels — London, Bristol, Exeter — the polls were, in fact, terrible.While Sadiq Khan secured the mayor’s office in the capital, across England we lost when we should have taken hundreds of council seats from an unloved Conservative government. In Scotland, we collapsed to third place behind the Tories. We lost seats in Wales. And most disturbingly of all, in Bury and Glasgow, Jewish communities abandoned the opposition in protest at charges of anti-Semitism. Mr Corbyn’s promise that his brand of leftwing politics would mobilise millions of non-voters abjectly failed to come true. These results prove that, until we come up with a rewarding account of the social democratic Britain that Labour believes in, we will continue our sharp descent towards political irrelevance.
C'mon Tristram, play the game mate. You have a leader to rally behind...
but you have to wonder at political parties at times when they lose sense of reality. The Tories did it with IDS and Hague (too early) and possibly Howard. And then Labour do it twice in a row - Ed and Jezza. Are they so divorced from reality that they cant see that the rest of the population are clear that these guys are not future leaders???
And then Labour do it twice in a row - Ed and Jezza. Are they so divorced from reality that they cant see that the rest of the population are clear that these guys are not future leaders???
Ed was pretty good in the end I thought, but it was clear he didn't really want the job. Ditto Corbyn, he only stood as the Leftish Flagwaver because McDonnel didn't want to, and the Leftish Flagwaver was never expected to actually win anyway.
Two leaders in a row who didn't expect or want the job.
I don't think it did Ed much harm, but I really feel for JC. Committed to the best part of 5 years in a 24/7 high pressure role. A 10 year commitment to remain in parliament even if he loses. All coming at the age of 66 when he has a new wife.
Ed was pretty good in the end I thought,
Really? He had the defenders beaten and an injured goalie to beat and shot wide of the posts - you decide which side!!
but it was clear he didn't really want the job.
Really ^2???
I also feel for Jezza. Must be bloody miserable being in charge of a parliamentary party that doesn't want you and knowing that you are not the right guy for the job. Very stressful, especially as the whole sorry tale is played out in the media spotlight.
You feel sympathy for him seems to me its just another method for you to insult him
Of course they both wanted it and Ed was poor.
Probably fair to say the electorate , in general, are not inspired by
Corbyn even though his supporters love. I agree he probably lacks a wide platform of electoral appeal and with the media and his own MP's after him its hard to see how he can generate it.
Sadly we need a leader who is "media friendly" and "presentable"
Tories might do the same though as neither gove nor May has that appeal either
Its quite sad that its not about substance, but style, for so many voters - the floaters and they are the ones who decide elections
"I also feel for Jezza. Must be bloody miserable being in charge of a parliamentary party that doesn't want you and knowing that you are not the right guy for the job."
Strange; Corbyn had more votes than the other candidates at the leadership elections, and by a very long way, has managed to attract huge numbers of new members to the party, appears to be one of the most popular Labour leaders in a very long time, and has re-ignited public interest in left-wing politics, which Blair did so much to destroy. Corbyn has just achieved a higher percentage of councils won than did Blair or Cameron at their first elections. And Labour have won the London Mayoralty. This, despite a massive media campaign to discredit and damage Labour, and even dissent from the Blairite right-wingers in the party. In all, a great success in the face of vicious opposition. I'd say that makes him very much the 'right guy for the job'.
Unless you're Laura Keunssberg/The Guardian/John Mann/etc.
Really? He had the defenders beaten and an injured goalie to beat and shot wide of the posts - you decide which side!!
I think if it wasn't for the SNP coalition threat he'd have sneaked it. But when I said good, I meant his ability to deal with questions etc. By the end he'd clearly taken on board all the media training and apply it.
Really
Did you see his face when he won it? Seemed to me he was standing because it was expected and good career wise, not out of any hope or desire of winning. His ministerial job before had been environment, not really a big hitter.
despite a massive media campaign to discredit and damage Labour, and even dissent from the Blairite right-wingers in the party. In all, a great success in the face of vicious opposition. I'd say that makes him very much the 'right guy for the job'.
Don't "a massive media campaign to discredit and damage Labour, and even dissent from the Blairite right-wingers in the party." make him the *wrong* man for the job? You want someone popular throughout.
Certainly not a big hitter!
There a few statesmen in modern politics. You look at both front benches and think, hmmm or, more likely, WTF is going on?
In all, a great success in the face of vicious opposition. I'd say that makes him very much the 'right guy for the job'.
That's rather lovely, almost touching....
"Don't "a massive media campaign to discredit and damage Labour, and even dissent from the Blairite right-wingers in the party." make him the *wrong* man for the job? You want someone popular throughout."
You have to look behind the media campaigns, to see the right-wing rhetoric. And the Guardian has revealed itself to be a joke in terms of it's own claims of 'impartiality'. The BBC is desperate to protect it's charter (up for renewal soon) so doesn't want to upset the government, and then we have the Blairites; Corbyn's election as party leader has left them marooned on the right of the party, with nowhere to go, and their political careers threatened by extinction.
Corbyn is very popular indeed. Have you been to any meeting or rally he's been present at in the last few months? Even Blair could never have hoped for such popular support! Corbyn is attracting a growing army of intelligent young future voters, who are becoming increasingly politically motivated. And his popularity is spreading; even the suburban Guardianistas are slowly coming round to him.
And the Guardian has revealed itself to be a joke in terms of it's own claims of 'impartiality'...even the suburban Guardianistas are slowly coming round to him.
confusing - is there a spilt between the Guardian and its constituents too?
Corbyn is very popular indeed....Corbyn is attracting a growing army of intelligent young future voters, who are becoming increasingly politically motivated. And his popularity is spreading;
No really...
God I so miss being passively aggressively patronised by you
