we know he is a bigot fuelled by god and christians want the right to discriminate.
Its perfectly reasonable to judge him on this, you positively because its part of your club and others negatively
Hitler had convictions we still criticised him
you mean like when you speak about the SNP ?When others hold on to beliefs we disagree with, we bracket them as conviction politicians and criticise (and some even bully) those who dIsagree.
Dear god have you no shame?
The beam in thine eye THM the beam
has he said they will die for their sins or was he more tolerant than that ?just another example of TJ's bigotted view when it comes to those of faith.
Did he suggest we stone him as an abomination?
Well legal marriage takes place in a registry office, it's signing a contract. It's not a religious event.
Whether you chose to have a serimony in a church or on a beach is quite irrelevant.
To say same sex couples can't legally marry is a purely selfish attitude, and even more bigoted.
They are not doing any harm and have a right just like anyone else.
That's why it's fundamentally bigoted to be against gay marriage. They are causing no bother, so what right do you have to stop them?
I hope someone can put a link to this thread on JRMs Facebook thingy - or his nanny's if he doesn't have one - he would be tickled pink
To say same sex couples can't legally marry is a purely selfish attitude, and even more bigoted.
They are not doing any harm and have a right just like anyone else.
Absolutely. It is also abhorrent that any couple can't form a legal partnership to take advantage of the legal and tax benefits it offers. Siblings for example.
has he said they will die for their sins or was he more tolerant than that ?
Judge for yourself, here is where he laid out his cards
Geetee - I loathe and despise religion and the religious, I believe all people who believe in god(s) are feeble minded.
I think the religious, religion and belief in god as an incredibly regressive, negative, dangerous and harmful mental illness. It is a force of incredible harm and holds back the human race.Its not biogotry.
IMHO if you cannot legally consomethinge it then you cannot get married
I never really understood where all this left field thing about siblings marrying came from in this debate.
Is it basically an excuse to avoid tax ?surely even the most tight fisted of right wing tax avoider would baulk at marrying their sibling just to save money?
Have I underestimated their avarice?
Hatred? Biggoted? neither are true. I find Ress Mogg odious and contemptable
Just as a little example of my bigoted attitudes to faith - I once worked alongside some nuns for an organisation that (before I worked for them)was run by the religious order. There were also some nuns amongst the patients. This was a good many years ago. One of the nuns ( who had taken a vow of poverty) gave me a cutting off her favourite plant. I still have it and I treasure it. I looked after her in accordance with her faith. Yes I have no time for religion but I do not discriminate on religious grounds.
And predictably while I was posting this post Mefty puts up that quote again from years ago that I apologised for at the time.
Jacob works with some gay people too. a few Scottish ones.
awesome the some of my friends are black defence 🙄
What a shame he wants to treat them less well than his straight friends due to their sexuality which is the dictionary definition of
1) Tolerance
2) Bigotry/discrimination
And predictably while I was posting this post Mefty puts up that quote again from years ago that I apologised for at the time.
Yep, because it is the single most disgusting thing I have seen posted on this website - you say you apologized for it, you didn't apologize on the thread, and it is hardly something you can apologize for.
IMHO if you cannot legally consomethinge it then you cannot get married
So intersex, injured or just not interested should be barred? Consumation is all about conception and we've decided that doesn't matter.
I never really understood where all this left field thing about siblings marrying came from in this debate.
It's about partnership. Two elderly sisters sharing a house together for example.
Is it basically an excuse to avoid tax ?surely even the most tight fisted of right wing tax avoider would baulk at marrying their sibling just to save money?
Having to pay a tax bill when your sister dies is OK then?
Have I underestimated their avarice?
No, you've just missed that people form all kinds of life partnerships. What you do with your genitals shouldn't be the businesses of the state.
What mefty appear unable to understand is that a rationalist like me can have no time for religion and view it as a regressive force - but is able to set this aside and treat everyone as equal and to accept their views. Why - because its the morally and ethically correct thing to do.
Note also it is mefty who brought religion into this. I made no mention of it.
I understand perfectly what you are.
No, JRM did because that is the reason he voted against gay marriage.
Mefty - your joke/irony was wasted ^
Very funny to see it played out though - in spades. Bravo!!
Mefty - your joke/irony was wasted ^
Some seed falls on stony ground
😀
Is nothing like a marriage hence they cannot get marriedIt's about partnership. Two elderly sisters sharing a house together for example.
Do you really need the difference between a marriage and a platonic relationship explaining to you ?
I guess so. How is it relevent?
We can define marriage to mean anything we like. Why do we chose to exclude those who want to make a life partnership because of what they do with their genitals?
Why would we even care?
it is the single most disgusting thing I have seen posted on this website
YOU really should get hold of all the stuff the mods delete -
Yes that was definitely what Jesus said- you say you apologized for it, you didn't apologize on the thread, and it is hardly something you can apologize for
One can apologise for anything whether others choose to accept it is another issue
Another example of my bigoted attitude towards the religious. I once employed some muslim men. We served alcohol and normally it would be part of their duties to do so. I found a way around this for them so as not to put them in a difficult position. Why? Because it was the morally correct thing to do.
And note - that statement Mefty keeps on posting that I made ( How many times now? should I be flattered he stalks me that much? ) is not aimed at an individual whereas mefty has sent several personal insults my way
He who is without sin cast the first stone
JRM's domestic staff are probably gay too - very common in that line of work
We can define marriage to mean anything we like
Yes we can but currently it does not include sibling marriages of convenience to avoid tax. I am awaiting an explanation of why it should
Why do we chose to exclude those who want to make a life partnership because of what they do with their genitals?
Because platonic friendship or sibling kinship is no more a marriagethan a business partnership is a marriage
How about mum marries son a dad son b all just to avoid tax....still ok with you ?
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I think the point made further up is valid. If you can bonk each other and it's legally ok you can get married. If you decide not to that's up to you.
[quote=mefty ]JRM's domestic staff are probably gay too - very common in that line of work
until he allows them to marry who they chose he remains a bigot.
I am not convinced Catholicism precludes the employment of married gays.
Yes we can but currently it does not include sibling marriages of convenience to avoid tax. I am awaiting an explanation of why it should
Because life partnerships exist between siblings.
How about mum marries son a dad son b all just to avoid tax....still ok with you ?
Yes. I know of a mother and son, both elderly, that are in a life partnership (they've been interdependent for 40+ years). On the death of the mother the son could get a tax bill and have to leave his home. I doubt the house is worth enough to be fair, but they should have the same protection as any other couple can gain through marriage.
My sister in law and husband lived with her father. I did suggest my sister in law divorce her husband so he could marry her father to avoid them getting taxed on inheriting the shared family home. She didn't go for it. But what your suggesting is possible now and entirely reasonable.
In fact limiting marriages to couples is a bad idea. If you choose to live with your parents you should be able to form a four way marriage to gain the same benefits as a couple in a life partnership.
excellent news so the priesthood will be awash with married gays then.
Great news eh
life partnerships exist between siblings.
they do but marriages dont as life partnership exists in business. So what its nto what makes marriage special is it.
they do the same as every other couple who are not or cannot marry.they should have the same protection as any other couple can gain through marriage.
I know what you think not why.
to make sure you keep all the banjos?If you choose to live with your parents you should be able to form a four way marriage to gain the same benefits as a couple in a life partnership.
Again WHY
Ok you would let any number of people choose to say they are married to avoid tax
Why?
Mefty - I take it religion / Christianity is important to you?
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that you be not judged.
Matthew 7:12 So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
John 8:7 “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Perhaps follow your creed?
Googled to get the verses. From my studies of religion I knew the quotes and many more
bikebouy - Member
This again?Didn't we bash JRM a few weeks ago?
Wouldn't it be better to just "cut and paste" the comments out of that thread.
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Was it as funny as this one bikebouy?
I take it religion / Christianity is important to you?
Not particularly, but I detest hypocrisy.
Some good advice there, perhaps you should take some heed of it.
Ah - that would be claiming to be Christian but not following the teachings. Or do you mean me? Please explain where I have been a hypocrite? Argumentative git I will give you.
Some good advice there, perhaps you should take some heed of it.
I wouldn't hold your breathe mate 😈
Was it as funny as this one bikebouy?
God, no!
I detest hypocrisy.
that will be why you are attacking the bigotry of christian re homosexuality/equal marriage rights as much as you are attacking TJ then ?
Don't bring God into it - mefty might have done, but I think he got away with it....
that will be why you are attacking the bigotry of christian re homosexuality/equal marriage rights as much as you are attacking TJ then ?
Too much competition, I prefer to plough my furrow.
But on a more serious note, I don't think sticking to your religious beliefs is bigotry - I am very glad we have laws that protect the religious from discrimination as we do for LGBT community. Sometimes those rights will come into conflict as with gay marriage. We as a society need to find a compromise to assuage both sides.
But on a more serious note, I don't think sticking to your religious beliefs is bigotry - I am very glad we have laws that protect the religious from discrimination as we do for LGBT community. Sometimes those rights will come into conflict as with gay marriage. We as a society need to find a compromise to assuage both sides.
Bloody hell, don't go disrupting the echo chamber with such sensible comments..... Absolutely bang on. We should be respectful of alternative views, regardless of whether we agree with them, and definitely not be shouting people down or recklessly banding offensive terms like "bigot" about just because someone has a different belief or viewpoint.
I don't think sticking to your religious beliefs is bigotry
It is if you pick and chose the bits of your religion that lead you to discriminate against others or intefere inothers lives.
this is the bit about me you seem unable to understand. Yes I abhor religion for the damage it does to individuals and humanity as a whole - but I would never let that influence my actions towards individuals because that would go against my personal moral values which is to treat all equally.
another example of my bigotry towards the religious. I donate regularly to my local sikh temple - because they use that money to feed the homeless of Edinburgh. I also have given food to my local Presbyterian church for their foodbank
andyrm
and definitely not be shouting people down or recklessly banding offensive terms like "bigot" about just because someone has a different belief or viewpoint.
~which is what mefty attempts to do to me - plenty of times he has called me a bigot on this thread despite no evidence whatsoever. I am not sure mefty actually understands what bigotry and hypocrisy are.
We should be respectful of alternative views, regardless of whether we agree with them,
Not if they are bigoted. Do and believe what you want as long as you don't harm others or seek to treat them in a lesser manner. That's fine.
mefty - MemberSometimes those rights will come into conflict as with gay marriage. We as a society need to find a compromise to assuage both sides.
No, we don't. Gay people shouldn't have to accept being second class citizens in order to make religious people (who will not be negatively affected in any way by them getting married) happy. Not all conflicts merit a compromise. What's the compromise on a religious person's belief in female genital mutilation vs the female's right not to be mutilated?
(in the case of gay marriage, the solution is simple; gay people should be able to get married, and in return, we don't force religious people into gay marriages. Deal?)
For clarification...
bigotry
?b???tri/
noun
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.
"the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
synonyms: prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice;
Voting against gay marriage is literally text book bigotry.
