those reasonable posts must have been deleted...
plenty of posts detailing why people dont like him; including his voting record, direct quotes, that racists dinner he attended, his stance on homosexuality etc
and a few saying hes just a tit
I think youd have to be pretty blinkered not to see that
those reasonable posts must have been deleted...
You might choose to see it that way, if it suits your purposes.
Unlike some on here I don't know him well enough to say if I like him but I do find him interesting, particularly his use of the language.
His politics I see as a bit Corbyn.
Mogg belongs here
That's interesting - the term 'Shibboleth' is rooted in multiple murder on the basis or tribal or racial intolerance.
Every day's a learning day.
councilof10 - Member
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STW is home to the most prejudicial bigots
Indeed
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So really, the airport is a huge benefit in this case as it allows lazy poor people to buy homes they can afford.
not read it all, but has anyone posted the Ali G JRM clip?
To be fair, a Canadian senator has rather put Mr Rees-Mogg's filibustering efforts in the shade. He read his book out in parliament which not only achieved his time using objective but also meant he got it translated into French for nothing.
sneak preview at part of jrms manifesto
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not read it all, but has anyone posted the Ali G JRM clip?
I think that was the first time I ever heard of JRM, one of the few Ali G interviewees that didn't make a complete tit of themselves...
Anyway, back on topic, what I would like to discuss if we can filter out all the class-hate and privilege prejudice, is whether JRM might be just what the UK needs at the moment...
I'm very anti-Brexit, but I've come to terms with the fact that leaving the EU inevitable now and there's nothing we can do about it.
The government could adopt the attitude that they've been bullied into making a self-inflicted wound by the electorate, and they are grudgingly going through the motions with neither enthusiasm or confidence in the process or outcome.
However, I think most people would agree that short of punishing the electorate for making a bad decision, not much else will be achieved by that approach.
JRM seems to be the only pro-Brexit voice that gives me any sort of optimism about the future. His clarity and lucidity on matters of process and procedure has made me feel far less pessimistic about leaving the EU, and whilst I wish to God we weren't leaving, perhaps it's not all doom and gloom.
What are other people's thoughts? (without the wealth-bashing please...)
He's an arse with an over inflated sense of self importance and would still be an arse with an over inflated sense of self importance if he was poor (though it's hard to imagine that a lot of his personality isn't related to his privilege, it's his personality I dislike, not the privilege). HTH
He's an arse with an over inflated sense of self importance and would still be an arse with an over inflated sense of self importance if he was poor
You've let your prejudices get in the way of the discussion again aracer, do you have anything to offer regarding how his current role might affect the Brexit process?
Prejudices? What exactly are you assuming my prejudices are?
Prejudices? What exactly are you assuming my prejudices are?
You see the name Jacob Rees Mogg and you seem to lose the ability to offer anything other than venting your bile. Or maybe it's just when you see my name.
Such a shame, it would be nice to have a grown-up conversation. Is that something you might be able to manage, or would you be better off venting your spleen on a different thread?
You asked for our opinions on him, I gave my opinion on him. Exactly what other sort of answer were you wanting from me? No venting of my spleen going on, simply providing my opinion as you requested.
It might help you get the sort of responses you're after if you request opinions only from people who like him.
Exactly what other sort of answer were you wanting from me? No venting of my spleen going on, simply providing my opinion as you requested.
Well, I was hoping to hear what other people thought the JRM effect might have on the Brexit process, but rather than formulate a mature, cohesive opinion, you just want to call him an arse.
We already know that you think he's an arse (I'm sure he would speak very highly of you) but if you don't understand enough about the subject to discuss the matter I suggested, perhaps it might be better to try a different thread. Or you could surprise everyone and offer an opinion other than "he's an arse"...
[quote=councilof10 ]We already know that you think he's an arse
Before my post up there? cite.
The thing is, my answer is a succinct reply to all of your individual questions. Would you prefer I multiquote?
whether JRM might be just what the UK needs at the moment
No, because he's an arse
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Before my post up there? cite.
aracer - MemberWhich is demonstrating that you're a ****?
Yawn... 🙄
Rather than try to appear "down with the proles" whilst sneaking back to his gilded manor house after work, he's completely up-front about it and even lampoons his own lifestyle.
Except that this "poshness" is/has become nothing but a constructed image to appeal to a certain sort of nitwit.
Anyway, back on topic, what I would like to discuss if we can filter out all the class-hate and privilege prejudice
You're quite right. What sort of a person would say this?
lazy poor people
😆 The world has officially gone mental.councilof10 - Member
Is he good, bad or indifferent for British Politics?On one hand, he's charming, witty, self-deprecating and seems to have captured the attention of younger people who aren't attracted to Corbyn's style of politics, so heseems to be filling a vacuum to the right-of-centre...
On the other, he could be a ruthless tactician and staunch Brexiteer, biding his time while the Leave process stumbles along its inevitable course, ready to step into the breach when TM&Co have done the dirty work and discredited themselves.
He's clearly loyal to a fault, to the point that I personally feel he's very authentic, but I'm very anti-Brexit. He's one of the few politicians whose likeable-ness seems to transcend his politics, which could be very good if he creates a more positive mood around a process we're bound to, but could also be a lethal weapon if it's exploited by others in office.
I'm sure there will be many amongst us who despise him simply because he's moneyed and educated, but leaving those prejudices aside, what are other people's opinions of him?
I think his financial position - and a seemingly vocational bent when it comes to politics - put him in a position of strength, and his acumen, manners and professionalism make him a good roll model for a newly politicised younger generation.
So is he destined to be a loyal, affable, media-friendly back-bencher? Or is he destined for greater things?
Except that this "poshness" is/has become nothing but a constructed image to appeal to a certain sort of nitwit.
Do you think? I don't think it's a constructed image... It would be rather difficult to keep up an act for decades...
Well he has just called his new child 'Sixtus'. Obviously a man of the people. 😆
How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....
... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.
I bet you wouldn't have a scouser as the children's nanny though.
teamhurtmore - Member
How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.
Straight from the Brexit thread to this one, it's going to seem like stalking but.....
A)It's a lot more frowned upon than it's ever been and you know it
and
B) I suspect his attire/accent/children's names would have gone unnoticed had he not been an MP who has voted in such a narrow minded and regressive way on a variety of issues.
I'm sure he'll end up as the next Tory Leader/PM as we seem unable as a nation to stop hitting ourselves in the nuts with a cricket bat.
If (a) is as true as you say it is, then the behaviours above are even [s]more hypocritical[/s] sadder
Rees Mogg is anti abortion, anti equal rights, anti eu and is sitting on the far right of british politics.
No chance at all of appealing to the centre ofr helping heal our divided nation
I dont agree with his politics at all. I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful.
We confuse the concepts of politeness and rudeness in a forelock tugging retreat from democracy. Watching him is like watching a Monty Python sketch but the jokes on us.
our divided nation
Nah. Scotland voted against dividing. Didn't you notice?
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[i]Philip Hammond’s commitment in this week’s Autumn Statement to spend £7.6m on restoring Wentworth Woodhouse, England’s largest private home, also had a little-known beneficiary: the house happens to be ancestral home of the mother-in-law of Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP who is among the chancellor’s noisiest critics.[/i]
How the Tory party works... Rees Mog is a ****, but at least he's thankfully not in charge of the purse strings
It would be good for the country tho if he is elected leader of the tories - as he is unelectable and Corbyn would make mincemeat out of him.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....
The thing is, in this case if that is the way people are judging him it's proving extraordinarily accurate. JRM does an incredibly good job of living up to the stereotype.
[quote=inkster ]I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful.
Well summarised - he adds a veneer of superficial politeness to his sneering condescension (and this is one of the ways I'm judging him, not how he dresses - I suspect most on here are unaware of the social circles I've mixed with and that I've had friends who dressed similarly and spoke with a similar accent).
Of course it accurate that is what they are doing,and it's hypocritical and objectionable whichever way it goes. Remember plebgate?
How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....
Indeed. And yet ...
Looks like a new suit. Very smart but should have cut the label off. Purple tie for Lent too...amazing
Mr Corbyn doesnt wear a tie most of the time,
Indeed, someone really should have a word. At least french socialists maintain a sense of style.
Perhaps now that he does his top button up and wears a tie.
How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....
... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.
Really??
You must live in a hellt of a bubble cos that kind of stuff goes on all the time!!!
The judging people on how they dress and what they call their kids works both ways - seen plenty of snobbery on her about Chardonnay-anns wearing tracksuits on here
Corbyn would make mincemeat out of him.
2 sides of the same coi. - scruffy socialist vs suited capitalist.
Stereotype away....
I think the only one making hay out of that pairing will be comedians!
I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful
He is very occasional user of Latin, I am aware of a couple of occasions only, but frankly his use thereof is a sincere form of flattery.
Flattery of whom?
I'd quite happily give him a sincere flattering.
The more I've seen of him recently, as he does seem to be getting more of an airing than previously, the more I'm convinced that he'd be the same dickhead, rich or poor. He'd be a gift as Tory leader though.
Lifer - Member
Flattery of whom?
Oh, that's very good. Where did you school?
Least if they did put him in charge you'd be knowing what you are getting with him. He was always one of the head brexit instigaters over the years. So complete no deal brexit would be most likely.
I suppose we should let the march towards insolation commence. No like this carry on is ever going to be sorted before 2019 anyhow. No real point in pretending it will be.
In fact, you have to conclude since his name has even come up that this is probably an admission from the Tories that they aren't even interested in a deal, atleast don't believe possible.. Like I say gone mental.
