Judging by the selfishness of the vast majority (most people seem to aspire to flash cars & the latest tech etc & are held back only by affordability) I recon rationing is the only way forward & that's about as likely as....
The 60’s and 70’s literally challenged everything
Hmmm... is it the generation, or the technology?
We're talking the same period when TV began to permeate the collective consciousness...
And let's not forget Henry Kissinger
but in reality the individual could make a greater positive impact by just eating a billionaire…
Ohhhh shortbread. Mmmmmmm.
The stuff you spout really shows how much history gets forgotten.
Not at all, the deaths of millions at the beginning of the 20th Century radically changed a great deal of things, - without doubt, but WW2 pretty much put a stop to it. Post war settlements for returning or surviving soldiers have always happened in history but none more so than to the parents of the Boomers, who got money, influence employment and access to education in a way that was hardly seen before, and those folks' kids were handed the fruits of that on a plate...We still live in their shadow.
And let’s not forget Henry Kissinger
No, let's all try to forget Henry 🤣
Kenry Hissinger? Never heard of him!
"Post war settlements for returning or surviving soldiers have always happened"
This is so, so true.
Without the 2 world wars we wouldn't have the social contract that has existed for the last 70 years.
Empire ended when at the close of WW2 when British soldiers (ground crew at Dum Dum airfield) mutinied, refusing to put bombs on planes to bomb 'insurgents' in India who wanted their freedom in the immediate aftermath of WW2. The RAF ground crew were executed.
Those British servicemen who had spent years away from home fighting 'fascism' weren't prepared to become fascists themselves, all they wanted was to go home and vote for a new deal.
As a minor point of order:
Talk to my Mum, mid-80’s.
If she's in her mid-80s then your mum is not a Boomer, she's from the Silent Generation. The Baby Boomers are the generation born as part of the postwar baby boom.
It's possibly that people who remember the years leading up to, during and/or just after the second world war have a different perspective to those who grew up in the (comparatively) good times that followed after.
Gen X'ers are by far the coolest of all of these, all of the others just a bit whingy...
I never knew I was Generation X, always thought of myself as a late Boomer 🙂
in reality the individual could make a greater positive impact by just eating a billionaire…
Look, I'm no capitalist, my politics are significantly left of the UK centre, but it's not that simple.
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Where is the evidence for this?
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I follow #PoliticsJoe on twitter, he was interviewing a bunch of conservatives
As a boomer (something I didn't choose to be) and conservative-hater I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
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As a boomer (something I didn’t choose to be)
none of us chose when we were born. but the majority of your cohort have, through their actions, knowingly or obliviously, been a part of the cause of the issues we are discussing here.
Similarly, I have never consumed avocado toast in my life, nor had any debt beside my student loan. The repurcussions of the latter on many of my generation could be the next great issue.
To answer the OP:
When do you think we’ll see major disruption and shifts in the way humanity lives on planet earth?
We will see them soon enough, a decade or two. The thing is, the world has only been this way since WW2 in the USA, approx the 60s in the UK (or even 80s depending on your view) and Western Europe, and even more recently in other places. Barely even one lifetime. The world changes more quickly than we think - we're the ones who've seen stability and consistency for most of our lives, so we find it hard to imagine anything else.
As a boomer (something I didn’t choose to be) and conservative-hater I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
Why did near 70% of that age group vote the Tories in then? Take away that age group from the previous election and we'd have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn't have done Brexit either. These are facts we know from polling data.
I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
Sure. I didn't do that. It was what he said rather than his politics that was pertinent to the discussion.
As you get older your more likely to change political views towards conservativism as you squire more wealth and want to keep hold of it. The younger you are the less wealth you have and you are more inclined to have liberal views.
Boomers may generally speaking be more conservative now, but may not have been 60yrs ago.
Take away that age group from the previous election and we’d have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn’t have done Brexit either.
Equally if we could encourage more under 40's to vote then the out come would change.
Why did near 70% of that age group vote the Tories in then? Take away that age group from the previous election and we’d have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn’t have done Brexit either. These are facts we know from polling data.
Is there a specific age when your views and opinions become irrelevant and shouldn't be counted? Over 60 - naah you're not allowed to vote anymore as you'll soon be dead!
Looking at that data Labour just have to wait a bit then they've got the next few decades sewn up.
Is there a specific age when your views and opinions become irrelevant and shouldn’t be counted?
What's the minimum age to join STW?
As you get older your more likely to change political views towards conservativism as you squire more wealth and want to keep hold of it
Yeah that’s logical but in my own case I find myself going the other way as more experience shows me more examples of how we’re screwed over by established interests.
Why did near 70%
Near 60%. Again I think that’s the silent generation at near 70%.
As to why, no doubt there are a number of reasons. Yougov suggests education is a significant factor - despite all their luxuries the silent generation & Boomers did not receive the education that later generations did. Or, perhaps more of generation Z should have voted.
On the whole, people from each generation are very similar. Yet, again I find myself ‘arguing’ with people who I pretty much agree with, whilst the government tears the country apart.
Yet, again I find myself ‘arguing’ with people who I pretty much agree with, whilst the government tears the country apart.
Divide n conquer innit... pretty much sums up the political system of Her Majesty's gov and indeed the majority of 2 party systems modelled on it
"On the whole, people from each generation are very similar."
I'll go with that. What you're not taking into account though is the humongous demographic shift we are experiencing and how that spells disaster for the near future, not just in a generation or two's time.
Yougov suggests education is a significant factor
I've always disagreed with this stat when comparing across age groups.
I (millenial) am of the age where education to 18 was mandatory, and 50%+ went to university. In my parents generation merely having A levels marked you as an elite.
Across the population, average formal education level correlates with age. Obviously this does not correlate with intelligence.
I might add, that despite what the Mail comments might have you beleive, in 4 years at an elite university, not once did a single professor or member of staff even mention, let alone preach, their political or social views to me.
One had strong opinions on apple vs android; another was very into obscure alternative rock music and would award prizes for people who could identify a band.
What you’re not taking into account though…
How do you know I’m not?
In truth, I’m not even sure what you are trying to say.
When do you think we’ll see major disruption and shifts in the way humanity lives on planet earth?
30-50 years.
There'll be widespread and frequent droughts meaning that bread-basket countries won't be able to provide, and other countries with a more temperate climate won't be geared up to produce. Cue food shortages, hunger, civil disobedience, civil unrest and finally anarchy. Food and medicine will become the new oil, and wars will be waged over it (see Russia taking control of Ukrainian grain). Eventually famines the like of those hitherto confined to East African countries will hit Europe and The West, and suddenly we'll sit up and take notice, but by then it's too late, the train is already careering down the tracks out of control because nobody applied the brakes at the start.
Cheap energy is now a thing of the past, and food is going the same way.
I see in 50 years that we'll have reverted to a completely different economy, with smaller local shops, people shopping more frequently for much smaller amounts, and so wasting less (how much food do you throw out from your fridge/bread bin etc as it's gone mouldy?), and also growing more of their own. Out of necessity. Do we really need bananas, strawberries etc in mid-winter?
There was a programme on recently about how much is involved in importing bananas so that they hit the shops just as they ripen. Insane amounts of energy are involved. But we've moved away from eating seasonally because we've been spoiled for too long.
The house of cards will come crashing down, and, though it pains me to say it, all those climate protestors who blocked the M25 and were ridiculed by Richard Madeley (****), Piers Morgan (****++), et al, will be proven to be right. But by then it's too late, 'cos that train's already out of control.
I think somebody on here recently showed a screenshot of FR24 with all the planes criss-crossing Europe. Proof, if it were needed, that many people wring their hands and promise to change, turn the stat down a degree etc, as long as they can still fly off abroad for their two-week holiday, because, you know, they don't want to be inconvenienced that much.
They could have taken the train, but it's already halfway down the tracks, and appears to be out of control...
A grim and slightly apocalyptic vision, but there's no sugar-coating it. Anything deemed to be beyond the lifespan of anybody here now, us/children/grandchildren, etc, is deemed to be too far away to acknowledge and worry about. So prophecies of 200-300 years are dismissed, but IF we're talking 30-50 years, that's potentially within the lifetime of most of us on here.
And it may be the reason for the demise of many of us, or our descendants.
Air travel will be up against the wall pretty quickly. We've shown we don't need much business travel, holiday makers can manage at home well enough, and that'll push prices high enough to deter most folk. Then airlines will fold and it'll end up more expensive which will cause yet fewer people to fly. Then fewer people will emigrate overseas or meet foreigners and marry them; and we'll be where we were 60 years ago.
Agree with Creaking and Mol'.
But Billy Idol was born 1955 - so why was he in Generation X ??
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I never knew I was Generation X, always thought of myself as a late Boomer 🙂
I'm a Generation X by 3 days! Nearly everyone else that I grew up with is a Millenial, explains why I'm always the odd one out 🤣
Air travel will be up against the wall pretty quickly.
I hope so, here's the average consumer voting with their feet to responsibly limit the excessive pollution caused by air travel, one days flights last week:
Band name based on book Gen X published 1964
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As a left of center and woke boomer, "boomer" is one of the few insults I'll bite at. The bite goes along the lines of: Born 60, finished A-levels just in time for the Winter of discontent, graduated into three million unemployed, worked on underpaid temporary contracts till 86 and then went in search of greener grass abroad (and happily found it). Now let's compare that with your birth year.
Thought Michael Stipe had died. As you were…
Good point Edukator, the last of the boomers, born in the early 60's got shafted good and proper. As one of the very first Gen Xers, I was fully aware what a difficult time those just a little older than me had had.
Still, you had punk though!
is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Why? It's not aimed at you personally. (in the nicest possible way) Your experience as a Boomer is meaningless. In the same way that BMI as a population measure has significance, at an individual level it's often wildly inaccurate. Elon Musk is a Gen X'er, it doesn't mean that all Gen X'ers are empty-souled tosspots with more money than sense.
You think we could afford concert tickets! But yeah, doing the Christmas post and industrial cleaning at Longbridge paid for a few nights at Barb's.
By the time I could afford to fly I knew about CO2. I've flown 9 times in my life, counting both ways, of which 4 were holiday flights instigated by Madame: Rome, a dump, and Lanzatote, a bigger dump. It's easy not to fly, I hate it.
Edit to reply to Nick:
Most insults are pretty daft or hollow. **** off! - willingly. ****er! - yeah masturbation is healthy... . Boomer supposes a boom when if you take any objective measure of how well off the boomers were in the boom years every generation since has been richer. It's also that when I get called boomer it's generally by a 20 something Brit or German who despite claiming poverty has already travelled the world without ever sticking their thumb out to hitch a lift and complain if the temperature indoors is below 20 or above 24.
As a left of center and woke boomer, “boomer” is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Its a generalisation and so not true for everyone but just a general trend.
In the same way I was advantaged over those later than me in general. Of course someone from the next gen who went to Eton and whose parents smoothed the way into their first job will be better off than me but the equivalent person from the same sort of background and schooling I had wont be. They will have a bigger bill to pay off and depending where they fall in the generation have entered a far harder job market and harsher conditions.
A badly off boomer will have started in a worse condition from me, as indeed did my parents (although borderline silent generation), but if they hadnt managed to escape their upbringing I would have had had a far harder time. This would have then bounced into the later generations.
is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Why? It’s not aimed at you personally.
I can't believe we're doing this again but don't generalise people.
It's ok to say 'people of the boomer generation are more likely to do X and Y' because that's a matter of statistics.
It is not okay to say 'boomers are X and Y', or even 'boomers are generally X and Y', because that's potraying boomers a particular way, which is really annoying for the boomers who aren't that way.
[edit] Just CBA with another argument with the usual suspects
I can’t believe we’re doing this again but don’t generalise people.
Aside from that requires amazing precision and a thousand and one exceptions to every statement.
Do you really do that in everything you post or do you assume the people you are dealing with have an IQ above room temperature and can handle the concept that a larger population might display certain traits?
Even within the posts above Edukator displays a certain stereotyping of all those "20 something Brit or German" which does display a certain lack of awareness.
Doom and Gloom
PAH !
It's a brave new world.
Or at least it will be after an all encompassing war to use up old stock...
the resulting economic boom brought about by gathering the resources to manufacture the replacement arsenal may even give us a bit left over to address environmental concerns and stop the whinging about mass extinction; it is just another name for corporate streamlining after all!
I think most of us would say that we're in for change.
A perfect shitstorm of various factors is going to force that change whether people want it or not.
Rarely do you get the change you want.
Have a read of Collapse by Jared Diamond. Quite a few parallels with past societies and now.
The outlook is pretty bleak, imo.
It's the same people calling me Boomer who are going to have to live with "the end of the world as we know it" yet have a carbon footprint previous generations could only dream of.
Sure there are exceptions but if we want to generalise then the current influencer-led generation of young adults is emmitting CO2 at an alarming rate.
A 70s aerial view of a unversity showed mainly grass and buildings. Today you'll find the view dominated by car parks and cars.
Every generation since the industrial revolution has polluted more than the previius one and there is little sign of that changing, with one excetption, making babies.
Among the intellectual elite junior dips in and out they are deciding not to have kids as they don't want to condemn their offspring to a misserable existence on greenhoused planet at war. They are not wrong. Then there are those who only intellectualise to the point of choosing between flash holidays and expensive childcare and have none or one. Even those that don't intellectualise often don't want the hassle.
Guilty as acused if you accuse me of generalising about those calling me boomer No-one outside that demographic has ever used boomer as an insult or piss-take against me.
It's easy to blame generation whatever for the mess the world is in. Fact is it's going to take every generation everywhere to do something constructive and the influencer-led generation really isn't helping.
