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Gonzy hereby wins the internets.

thank you!!

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so you steal their land

Arguably they won it fair and square when the Arabs repeatedly tried, and failed, to wipe them off the map.

To the victor belong the spoils and all that.

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Arguably they won it fair and square when the Arabs repeatedly tried, and failed, to wipe them off the map.

That doesn't account for the 67-2012 difference, does it?

To the victor belong the spoils and all that.

Isn't it a bit too much of a rigged game to be considered fair and square?

'I have a bulldozer, you don't, hop it, or else'

and of course...

How come Nobel Peace Prize Winner Barack Obama keeps supplying billions of dollars of military aid to Israel, even when the US government goes into shutdown due to financial shortfalls?

i cant tell where your mouth ends and your arse begins as the crap that comes out is the same

ninfan is another that falls into this category...i sometimes wonder if he and Jambalaya are the same person with two user profiles on here to try and make his ridiculous views seem popular and acceptable

I see you coming ... Remember I told you so and you heard this from me here.

Once the Palestinian land sand is completely assimilated i.e. no more Palestinian land sand whatever, I can bet you that those who oppose Israel on STW as Friends of this and that ... will jump on the bandwagon of whoever that want to go to war with Israel. They will even support the Iranian in obliterating Israel because they can justify their reasons (typical twisting of tongues) that all of them are Zionists. Yes, they will.

They keep saying they only hate the Zionists whatever but deep down they just hate the entire entity that is Israel including the people who live there. Yes, you do. You just pretend that you like the people but hate the Zionists or Zionists state. It is like you are trying not to be racist or something ... 🙄

Let me help you decide. Very simple give the land or sand to Israel and then start a major war to obliterate them as in final solution via the help of Iran etc to take back the entire piece of sand.

What's with this shite about how many states solution? That's is not going to happen. One side must be obliterate.

Then you can convert all the Palestinian to your leftie cause by asking them to raise your red flag ... oh hang on the minute ... you are non-believer so instead you either convert of head off you infidel. The world is created by God ... not you lot infidel lefties. 😆

yiu are free to do as you please but my views reflect those in power in the West.

FFS Both Kona and i are explaining to you why an appeal to authority is fallacious

It doesn't make you correct and it certainly does not make your factually incorrect statements - the ones you keep ignoring true

this is why, an increasing number of folk, think its pointless to engage with you.Appeals to authority are fallacious thinking and they prove nothing. Granted in this case they prove your obstinate stupidity as you keep doing something everyone knows is wrong thinking. Then again this was not in doubt

Please learn about an appeal to authority is false at least you will look like like an obstinate and willfully stupid individual and you wouldn't want that would you

ninfan is another that falls into this category.

[quote=Junkyard spake unto the masses] Jamba:"yiu are free to do as you please but my views reflect those in power in the West."

FFS Both Kona and i are explaining to you why an appeal to authority is fallacious

I assumed it was the other way around, and that Barack Obama and co are calling Jamba before they decide anything, to make sure their decisions are 100% correct.

Why are you lot worrying about a piece of land / sand in far far away place as if it is your back garden? 😯

ninfan is another that falls into this category.

To be fair he knows he is challenging normal views and making some statements he agrees with and some he does not in order to be a devils advocate/defend the indefensible.

OK JY i'll take your word for it....maybe i was making the assumption based on what he has said in other threads as well.
so i'll amend my statement as follows:

ninfan is one that is close to falling into this category.

So you lot are categorising others now? 😆

Do we get badges?

Can I just point out to Chewkw that it isn't all sand. You seem fixated on this sand. Not sure you are trying to be clever or funny or something else entirely.

Can anyone give an exact date for when colonialism stopped?

(after the genocides in the Americas, Africa, Australia etc)

Do I think Isreal has done some things I find difficult to accept, yes.

But somehow you manage to anyway 😉

assumed it was the other way around, and that Barack Obama and co are calling Jamba before they decide anything, to make sure their decisions are 100% correct.

Can I just point out to Chewkw

No, Piggie, you really can't. You can try. But it won't work. So stop trying.

So, question for you Gonzy

What's your suggested endgame?

Both communities have a right to exist, but a minority in both communities cannot, and will not, ever accept this.

Realistically, there are four options:

Single state - (arguably never going to work as a minority will continue the violence)
Dual state set on '67 borders
Dual state set on '48 borders
Dual state set on '47 partition plan borders

The problem here, to a great many people, is that the whole thing descends into the cycle of negotiating bedtime with a teenager - if the Joos strike a peace deal and withdraw to '67 borders, then the Palestinians fight for '48 borders begins the next day, and the violence continues - because, as we said, a minority won't ever accept the right of the other to remain (and given the fact that the Israelis tried to go down this road with disengagement, you can see their concern)

So, what's the endgame?

[quote=ninfan spake unto the masses, saying]Do we get badges?

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(and given the fact that the Israelis tried to go down this road with disengagement, you can see their concern)

Thing is, they didn't. They have never stopped increasing their settlement activity, or restricting the rights of Palestinians within their own "self controlled" areas. It gets to the stage now when the US President expresses concern at the rate of settlement and the Israeli PM tells him to go f*** himself. They are out of control.

[i]So, question for you Gonzy

What's your suggested endgame?[/i]

The problem is that one side has already decided what the endgame* is going to be, hasn't it?

*you mean of course the deaths of innocent humans, and the destruction of an entire country while western govts look the other way, but, y'know, "endgame" seems more nice somehow doesn't it..?

So, question for you Gonzy

What's your suggested endgame?

that depends on your reasons for asking me. you probably have guessed from my comments on other threads that i am Muslim...so are you asking for my opinion or are you trying to get a Muslim perspective on what the supposed endgame should be?

its funny that its you and Jambalaya who seem to pick up on what i say and always post comments on here that are specifically aimed at me

i will give you a response but i'd first like to know why you are asking me in particular and not anyone else

Something like this perhaps? This is a quote from the current Israeli Minister of Justice, calling for genocide:

"They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," said Shaked. Standing behind the operations on Gaza, "they are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists,"

Or then there's their Minister for Culture who incites mob violence against Sudanese immigrants she described as a 'cancer'.

'Regev's controversial comments came during a violent rally staged by residents of Tel Aviv's south – where many African migrants live – to protest rising crime rates in the area. In the rally, the Likud MK said "the Sudanese are a cancer in our body."

She was later criticized for inflaming the protesters, with angry demonstrators later going on to attack African passers-by and journalists, breaking into and looting shops associated with the African migrant community and shattering car windshields.'

Perhaps 'final solution' would be more appropriate than endgame? And no I don't give a shit if someone starts going on about Godwin, it's a valid comparison when people start talking like this.

The problem is that one side has already decided what the endgame* is going to be, hasn't it?

*you mean of course the deaths of innocent humans, and the destruction of an entire country while western govts look the other way, but, y'know, "endgame" seems more nice somehow doesn't it..?

doesn't that apply just as much to the Israelis, as to the people who fought to wipe Israel off the map?

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@Gonzy, I'm asking you as, IMO you're the probably loudest voice on the thread as to what the Palestinians 'want'

@Grum, I think that just reinforces the argument that there are nutters on both sides who would prevent a single state solution.

Palestinians where offered Israeli citizenship.

@Grum, I think that just reinforces the argument that there are nutters on both sides who would prevent a single state solution.

Yup, but again - there's only one side holding all the cards here plus Israel constantly tries to portray itself as holding the moral high ground and claiming the only reason they get criticised is due to anti-semitism. But then they elect racist nut-jobs to their government who say shit like this. 😕

there's only one side holding all the cards here

Is that not only as a direct result of what happened when they were not holding all the cards, and remarkably managed to avoid being wiped off the map in three wars (Yom Kippur war they were outnumbered 100:1 in troops and 10:1 in armour)

@Gonzy, I'm asking you as, IMO you're the probably loudest voice on the thread as to what the Palestinians 'want'

i seriously doubt i am the loudest voice on this thread as you put it and i dont recall stating what the Palestinians want on this thread.

but to answer your question, seeing as the Israeli government implements its zionist policy and its treatment of the Palestinians is comparative of how black people were treated in S Africa during the years of apartheid, maybe they should follow their model of reconciliation and allow a single state solution where everyone is treated equally and given the same civil rights and liberties. that would include repatriation of those who have been forcibly displaced by the illegal settlements and for a sincere apology from both sides to end the hostilities and a pledge to work towards unity, peace and a better future for all.
also for those responsible for crimes against the people on both sides to be held accountable for their actions/decisions and to be tried as war criminals.
obviously for this to work the government would need to release from imprisonment a notable and popular political figure amongst those who have suffered at the hands of the government, and who could potentially lead and inspire a nation to move forward together in the search for peace.

but that wont happen as unlike the S Africans who jailed their political enemies the Israelis like to assassinate them instead

Is that not only as a direct result of what happened when they were not holding all the cards,

Maybe. And maybe 10 billion dollars a year of US aid has something to do with it. But neither one gives them the right to do what they're doing.

Pigface - Member
Can I just point out to Chewkw that it isn't all sand. You seem fixated on this sand. Not sure you are trying to be clever or funny or something else entirely.

They do have nice white golden sand mind you ...
Well to be precise it is the land but than land is sand innit in that region.

Do they have oil, ski resort, forest, jungle, lake, river or high mountains?
Nope, they don't. They have sand! Plenty of it.

Nothing to do with fixation just that the place is full of sand. (very tempted to say sand people like in Star War 😆 )

deadlydarcy - Member

Can I just point out to Chewkw

No, Piggie, you really can't. You can try. But it won't work. So stop trying.

Of course you can!
Please do so as I welcome all comments good or bad, funny or not.
This is STW forum and we/I like to debate issues ...

deadlydarcy is not funny ... 😆
Hey deadlydarcy what's up? 😆

DrJ - Member
Thing is, they didn't. They have never stopped increasing their settlement activity, or restricting the rights of Palestinians within their own "self controlled" areas. It gets to the stage now when the US President expresses concern at the rate of settlement and the Israeli PM tells him to go f*** himself. They are out of control.

Why is the Palestinian or Israeli land / sand got to do with you even if they kill each other to kingdom come?

Are you related to any of them? Do you live there? Do they have oil?

Nope ... where is your logic?

DrJ ... what Dr are you? Medical Dr? Engineering Dr? Sociology Dr? What?

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DrJ - Member

Is that not only as a direct result of what happened when they were not holding all the cards,

Maybe. And maybe 10 billion dollars a year of US aid has something to do with it. But neither one gives them the right to do what they're doing.

😆 So you have the rights then?

@Gonzy - And, if they did all that - do you think that it would bring peace... Or do you think it would be countdown to civil war?

@Gonzy - And, if they did all that - do you think that it would bring peace... Or do you think it would be countdown to civil war?

because everything is absolutely tickety boo right now isn't it?
it cant get any worse now can it?
but then again Israel doesnt want to give back what it has stolen and doesnt want to be held accountable for the war crimes and human right violations it has committed thus far

what's your solutions to this then?

Darcy I will take your advice next time, he is a sandwich short of a picnic.

it cant get any worse now can it?

It would get a lot better if the Pals would just stop firing rockets and trying to kill people - pointless throwing accusations of responsibility for war crimes etc at the Israelis without admitting the [url= http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16119&LangID=E ]same[/url] by the Palestinians.

If it guaranteed peace, I can easily see Israel agreeing to '67 borders and a two state solution.

I could even see them agreeing to something halfway between '47 and '67 - they have shown willingness to trade land for peace on numerous occasions before.

Although personally I'm convinced that, like negotiating bedtimes with my teenager, whatever they agreed to would never be enough, and the rockets and attacks would continue.

If it guaranteed peace, I can easily see Israel agreeing to '67 borders and a two state solution.

You obviously have far too much faith in Netanyahu who has singlehandedly decimated any chance of peace for the foreseeable future.

Pigface - Member
Darcy I will take your advice next time, he is a sandwich short of a picnic.

Oh no ... another one talking about someone to a second person right in front of them. You think that is alright then?

Are you practicing politely vile?

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and if the Israelis stopped stealing Palestinian land and building illegal settlements, and stopped trying to obliterate the Palestinian civilian infrastructure and actually killing people then maybe the Palestinians would stop throwing fireworks at them...

see, there's always an excuse isn't there?

Don't you think perhaps the pals might get more sympathy if they stopped firing rockets and attacking people? It would remove any excuse that the Israelis had, the whole world would be forced to intervene.

If, as you say, they are only 'fireworks' and the iron dome stops them all - then what's the point in firing them? Why not just stop and show the world just how evil the Joos really are?

Is that not only as a direct result of what happened when they were not holding all the cards, and remarkably managed to avoid being wiped off the map in three wars (Yom Kippur war they were outnumbered 100:1 in troops and 10:1 in armour)

Perhaps God intervened to help them - well either that or it was the shitloads of weaponry provided by America and the war was nothing like as asymetrical as you wish to suggest with your Jamby like grasp of figures and logic.

That's right, it was totally like that!

(Well, if the Zulus had had 1000+ Russian tanks)

ninfan - Member

(Yom Kippur war they were outnumbered 100:1 in troops and 10:1 in armour)

Or, 3:1 in troops and 2:1 in tanks (of which the IDF's were largely more modern) The often quoted 100:1 and 10:1 were only for the initial hours, til Israel mobilised- though it's a reasonable mistake.

see, there's always an excuse isn't there?

And here's yours ...

Don't you think perhaps the pals might get more sympathy if they stopped firing rockets and attacking people?

Or, 3:1 in troops and 2:1 in tanks (of which the IDF's were largely more modern) The often quoted 100:1 and 10:1 were only for the initial hours, til Israel mobilised- though it's a reasonable mistake.

Yeah, just like "purity of arms", "greening the desert" and all the rest of the bullshit.

In hindsight should have typed 'start of' there NW, though it remains a remarkable feat, and it's really quite arguable that the Israeli tanks were that much better than the soviet supplied ones (certianly the T62's)

a read up on the pivotal role played by Zvika Greengold is pretty awe inspiring.

There is no logic whatsoever in you, yes you the Friend of this or that in BritLand, trying to escalate the problem in a foreign land/sand by pouring fuel on burning bush ... then stoking the fire again.

You Friends of This or That... You bad! You evil!

[b]You have no relatives over there.
You have no connection to that region.
You don't believe in their religion(s).
You cannot find anything of value over there except vast sand desert.
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[b]Yet you want to stoke the fire to quicken them to ethnically cleansed each other ... [/b]

Well done! Woohoo!

I salute you evilness ... ya, but try not to get over excited coz you are still below me and you should bow down to me.

Coz I see you coming ...

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edit: "Friends of This or That" ... that is very funny ... make me laugh every time I mentioned them.