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So the non-believers want to have a hand in solving the problem of the God? 😆

gonzy - Member
no i dont hate Jews.
we are all essentially of the same faith...just different variations. we share the same prophets in our beliefs and as you rightly pointed out both Islam and Judaism can trace their lineage back to Abraham. his first born Ishmael is revered as one of the patriarchs of Islam and his second son Isaac is revered as one of the patriarchs of Judaism.

Since you believe in the same God is it not logical to let the Jewish people have a piece of land to worship the same God in their own ways? Isn't doing so a good deed? Why do you have to fight to worship the same God?

If there is a creator God I don't think he minds how you worship him so long as he is worshiped.

my beef is with the Zionist government and its illegally inhumane and barbaric policies against the Palestinian people. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, so i suppose that makes me an anti-Zionist.

Stop Zionist this or Zionist that! Really ... it's like trying to split hair innit.

My view is that you don't like each others but you can tolerate each others to some extend.

Very simple. They don't want the Palestinian people to live along side them so want to expel all of them. No ifs or buts. They want them gone. They want the whole place to themselves.

You have two choices:

1. Fight to the end. To the death! - nuke each other to kingdom come and reduce the place to desert sand and make the place radioactive for several hundred years ... Yes, nobody gets to live there.

I like this idea coz the land, sea and animals can recover.

Or

2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after. (don't tell me they cannot migrate coz the speed of Syrians migrating to Germany/EU is so fast if they got the will they got the way ...)

But as usual pride and stubbornness are the stumbling block for all of them.

Why fight over a small piece of land for so long?

🙄

edit: on the other hand I think everyone should start using nuclear weapons to melt each other out like candles ... Ya, please reduce the earth's population. Mwaaaahhhhaaaa! 😈

Dont you be cheating and using the actual facts against Jamby

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Junkyard is talking in circle.
Junkyard has a mullet.
Junkyard thinks he is Babylon.

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2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after.

To be fair, that was tried, the result was that the Pals broke all the agreements they had made, then tried to overthrow the state and assainate King Hussein, before getting kicked out, where they tried to do the same again in Lebanon.

No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really

ninfan - Member

2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after.

To be fair, that was tried, the result was that the Pals broke all the agreements they had made, then tried to overthrow the state and assainate King Hussein, before getting kicked out, where they tried to do the same again in Lebanon.

😆 By the description they look like a bunch of ungrateful lot.

There you go even their "own" people/neighbours don't want them yet the West or the Friends of whatever/whoever are up in arms trying to fight their cause for them. 😯

The assassination of King Hussein was an attempt to overthrow Jordan, and not the act of an extremist because of negotiations with Israel? His grandson didn't seem to bear a grudge if that's the case.

unfitgeezer - Member - Block User
No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really

What does it say?

What does it say?

Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!

That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that

Lifer - Member

unfitgeezer - Member - Block User
No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really

What does it say?

I used to have/share office with Palestinian and Jordanian colleagues ... and their friends ... bloody hell they do like to gather around.

Yes, I used to ask them to love each other manly way ... Yes, I did and I kid you not. You think I would hold back? hhmmm?

I also tempted them to eat bacon and drink local ale. They thanked me for my generosity but declined. I insisted that but they still resisted my offer. 😆

Nice people and they knew I was having a bit of fun with them.

They too have jokes against each others ...

Mind you they all have beautiful wives and I kid you not, apparently all arranged marriage ... jammy sods.

Happy days ... 😀

Oh ya ... the Palestinian was the most serious of them lot but he gave up on being serious with me after a while. How we all laughed. 😆

That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that

konabunny - Member

That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that

You're painting them as a itinerant people that no-one wants to get involved with. Hmm, where have I heard that trope before?

Nope. Not even the Jordanians want to have anything to do with them.

Jordanians have been on the receiving end of Palestinian terrorism and last year Jordan was heavily critised by the UN as it refused to take any Oalestinian refugees from Syria (there is/was a large Palestinian population in Allepo). It's even more clear in Egypt where the border with Gaza has been even more firmly closed than it was.

From my experience of doing business in the Middle East for 30 years I would say in general whilst most "locals" are heavily critical of Israel they are of the view that the Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves. The majority are more interested in getting on with their own lives than getting involved in the more that is the Palestinain conflict, it's my view the same applies to their governments.

jambalaya - Member
... in general whilst most "locals" are heavily critical of Israel they are of the view that the Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves.

That's the exact sentiment ... very true that.

The majority are more interested in getting on with their own lives than getting involved in the more that is the Palestinain conflict, it's my view the same applies to their governments.

Yeap, they just want to have a happy family, especially the lot I got to know who got married very soon after I met them, and not have to deal with the Palestinian conflicts ...

Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves.

the Palestinain conflict

Do you do this consciously?

No comment on that nice video of Bibi that directly contradicts the claim you made in your last post?

one of those I spent a while deciding if he was satirical genius or a trolling fool.

He eventually ground me down and I went for the later.
Its also pointless as when the evidence contradicts what he says he just does that - ie ignores it completely and continues to post without shame.

He is going the way of chewk for me in that I have stopped reading their posts as I dont think you can actually have a debate, intelligent or otherwise, with either of them.
Its just someone stating what they think without any reference to reality or the facts
JHJ without the humour or the awareness basically

Imagine living like that.

Pals

You've outed yourself even more completely with this demeaning dehumanizing abbreviation. If we should continue down this path I will have to start referring to "jooz" (small j). However, I prefer to just ignore you, by Chrome or just by flipping past your nonsense.

Morning. Yawn and a very large one.

Widespread condemnation and critism of the Plaestinians and their tactics in the Arab world. Why do you think the majority of funding for Palestinain refugees comes from the US ? Many wealthy Arab countries won't get involved and certainly not when it comes to putting their hands in their pockets. Of the promised finding for rebuilding Gaza only a tiny fraction has been forthcoming.

Hammas and a significant portion of the Palestinians rejected the Oslo agreement for a two state solution. They are only interested in a single Palestinian state and the destruction of Isreal via armed Jihad, this being exactly what it says in their written constitution. The naivety of so many so far away is quite stunning

Two Palestinians tried to attack a school bus yesterday. Both shot dead. Close to 50 dead now all due to ridiculous and tragic false incitement over Temple Mount access.

now all due to ridiculous and tragic false incitement over Temple Mount access.

I don't think Palestinians are reacting just to this single event.

So when Bibi said:

But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.

he was lying?

jambalaya - Member - Block User
Of the promised finding for rebuilding Gaza only a tiny fraction has been forthcoming.

Brilliant. Not rebuilding is the Arab's fault, nevermind the fact that Israel was the one bombing the shit out of it and stopping building materials entering Gaza.

@lifer yes it is the lack of money, many many truck loads of building materials enter everyday. Hamas published a video in July proudly showing how they where rebuilding attack tunnels with lots of new cement. When the rockets stop the air strikes stop, it's quite a simple correlation.

The Isrealis tried to pursue the implementation of the Oslo agreements for years, more than a decade but Hamas have derailed it with constant attacks and further deepened the rift between the PA/Abbas and them.. That two state proposal / agreement is now firmly off the table, no surprise there at all. Sooner or later the Palestinains are going to relapse that this course of action is taking them further and further away from what they want.

The Isrealis tried to pursue the implementation of the Oslo agreements for years, more than a decade but Hamas have derailed it

Jamba - your contempt for the truth is well known and documented but this re-writing of history is mind-boggling. You do realise it was Arafat who participated in the Oslo process, don't you?

I've probably posted this several times before, but anyone with any interest or opinion on the conflict should give it a watch:

Here's a trailer if you don't have the time to watch the full movie right now:

Why do you think the majority of funding for Palestinain refugees comes from the US ? Many wealthy Arab countries won't get involved and certainly not when it comes to putting their hands in their pockets.

I don't think that the demonisation of either Israelis or Palestinians as a less worthy group of people than any other people on the planet does anyone any good. A passing familiarity with 20th century history will explain why. I happen to think that people everywhere are more or less the same: a few very good people, a few complete scumbags, and the majority in the middle who are mostly worried about trying to have a nice little house, a decent job, a good future for their kids, and just maybe some time on the weekend to play dominos/argue in cafes/be rad to the power of sick at a trail centre. The institutions and environments in which people have to live and work are what makes the difference.

^ like what the Palestinian Constitution provides for the State of Palestine.

Hammas and a significant portion of the Palestinians rejected the Oslo agreement for a two state solution. They are only interested in a single Palestinian state and the destruction of Isreal via armed Jihad, this being exactly what it says in their written constitution. The naivety of so many so far away is quite stunning

It is untrue that the Palestinian constitution calls for the destruction of Israel via armed Jihad. I think you know that this is untrue, which makes it a lie.

he was lying?

Jamba - your contempt for the truth is well known and documented but this re-writing of history is mind-boggling. You do realise it was Arafat who participated in the Oslo process, don't you?

Its amusing that he ignore the Israeli admitting it still blames the Palestinains and then manages to get the participants wrong

Given his utter contempt/disregard for reality/facts whatTF is the point engaging with him?

When the rockets stop the air strikes stop, it's quite a simple correlation.

Respectfully you are so challenged you cannot even say what you mean 😀

Correlation NEVER implies causality and you are clearly trying to say that the air strikes are directly related to the bombing and if they stop bombing they will stop air strikes - its not a correlation its causality. WHy have i had to explain this to you? Its very basic stuff.
Its like watching a slow motion car crash watching you do this but it was gems like that that made me think were just taking the piss.
Alas I was wrong you actually cannot even say what you mean to say and you ignore him clearly saying he stopped it and then blame the wrong Palestinains. Given this engaging with someone so far away from the facts is pointless
You really should be embarrassed by this because if you aint trolling then well really.

 

Junkyard - lazarus
He is going the way of chewk for me in that I have stopped reading their posts as I dont think you can actually have a debate, intelligent or otherwise, with either of them.
Its just someone stating what they think without any reference to reality or the facts
JHJ without the humour or the awareness basically

Hey JY are you using user blocker? Please use it to block yourself out. 😆

I offer completely different views from you because you are wrong that's why ... Ya, you know you are wrong.

Logic wise you can present as many references as you like but at the end of the day they still don't stack up ... [b]it still does not make sense to anyone on the street to try to influence a tiny bit of desert sand that is Israel or Palestine[/b] ... 😆

You are so distance from reality of normal people that it is worth challenging your views.

[b]"You Shall Not Pass!" said Gandalf the grey[/b] ...

Humour? You have one? 😆

DrJ and JY, well I was on the wrong side of the Greek argument as the EU caved in as I suspected they would and poured good money after bad in granting Greece further gifts that they'll never pay back. I was correct in predicting this outcome.

On the Middle East I'm a supporter of UK, EU policy and most importantly US policy. Those in a position of authority see things just as I do. Keep on ranting though, you seem to get something out of it.

The US has pursueded Jordan who are the agreed authority over the site to accept Israels long stated position that they have no plans to allow Jews to pray at the Jewish holy site that is Temple Mount.

re the greece thread you are reinterpreting it to fit with your filter but we did all that on that thread. Interestingly you make no mention of your prediction over what would happen to the left wing govt at the recent election where you predicted their defeat and they won....interestingly selective as you were on the thread when folk kept mention it - bit lie you have failed to comment on the video despite invites. .
FFS on this thread you have the PM involved contradicting your view as you blame a group that did not participate in the process. Honestly I are not ranting just standing their with a dropped jaw staring incredulously
FWiw my personal favourite was when you cited 9/11 as the cause of the Irish peace process despite happening nearly a decade afterwards. Respectfully its like debating with JHJ and to save offence I shall decline form engaging safe to say I disagree.

ANy chance you could put in a little effort to learn what this fallacy is? I am tired of citing it - though at least time you did not just cite yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Junkyard - lazarus
ANy chance you could put in a little effort to learn what this fallacy is? I am tired of citing it - though at least time you did not just cite yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Yours are definitely biases ... 😆

You do like to bombard people with your "logic" and "references" don't you? 😆

Let me try to explain and describe your logic ... this is how you come across ...

For example, it's like saying statistically there is a significant relationship between this variables and that etc ... yes, your argument is logical and yes statistically you are right. However, you completely missed the point because statistically you are correct but you are doing the wrong test/study whatever ... 😆

Okay might be poor example from me but I like reading your comments.

I cannot put a finger on it but something is not right with your logic and consistency ... you know when something is not right but you don't know what but it is ... ya, your arguments are exactly like that.

Like I said before ... [b]Why bother with a piece of land that is desert sand? Ya, that! 8O[/b] The logic does not stack up even when you can present some sort of "statistical significance" in them ... 😆

This ^^^ is what happens when the actual big-hitters get banned.

On the Middle East I'm a supporter of UK, EU policy and most importantly US policy. Those in a position of authority see things just as I do. Keep on ranting though, you seem to get something out of it.

Yes obviously the governments of the US, UK and the EU are getting those facts wrong too on which they are basing their policy. For every Netanyahu quote I'll show you a suicide bombing on a bus or a Tel Aviv nightclub or a written constitution calling for the destruction of Isreal. The two state solution is dead, the Palestinians wanted to literally kill it off and they've succeeded.

The US has supported an agreement between the Isrealis and the Jordanians who administer the site to reaffirm Isreals long held position that it will prevent Jews from praying at the Temple Mount. The US also welcomes Isreals suggestion to install CCTV at the site. The Palestinains are against CCTV as they think it's a trick. It will be a "trick" as it will show people what really goes on, ie no praying by Jews, hardly any Jewish visitors and frequent mobs of Palestinians throwing rocks from the square

It will be a "trick" as it will show people what really goes on, ie no praying by Jews, hardly any Jewish visitors and frequent mobs of Palestinians throwing rocks from the square

Is Palestinian violence all based on a desire to wipe out Isreal or is any of it justified in your opinion Jambalaya?

Pretty sure that is exactly what Hamas calls for, article 7 of their Charter iirc.

President Abbas - partner in peace no less, reported to have said:
"“We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem. This is pure blood, clean blood, blood on its way to Allah. With the help of Allah, every martyr will be in heaven, and every wounded will get his reward.”
[url= http://http://www.wsj.com/articles/abbas-we-welcome-every-drop-of-blood-spilled-in-jerusalem-1445209820 ]link[/url]

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For every Netanyahu quote I'll show you a suicide bombing on a bus or a Tel Aviv nightclub or a written constitution calling for the destruction of Isreal.

Aye cause that's the comparison that should be made...

How about comparing like for like.

. As debating tactics go, ploughing on regardless isn't a bad one. However, it does undermine your ceaseless appeals to authority ("I read top secret geopolitical analysis all day, hobnob with MI5 and am better informed than anyone here") when you're seen making schoolboy howlers on basic facts.

the Palestinians wanted to literally kill it off and they've succeeded.

[quote=nim opined]President Abbas - partner in peace no less, reported to have said:
"“We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem. This is pure blood, clean blood, blood on its way to Allah. With the help of Allah, every martyr will be in heaven, and every wounded will get his reward.”
link

Thankfully there are no bad quotes from any Israeli about the Palestinians and killing them.
No one is that one sides - well except the two zionists on this thread - to fail to acknowledge that BOTH sides do bad things
A long list from the one sided ignoring the zionist shortcomings is a bit pointless

that page glitch thingy post

Junkyard, by the same token there seems to be lack of acknowledgement on the STW threads I've seen that the violence is two sided as it appears only Israel is ever painted in a negative light.

In addition, Zionists come in many forms. You don't have to be an Orthodox Jew living in the West Bank to believe that the State of Israel has a right to exist.

[quote=nim spake unto the masses]Junkyard, by the same token there seems to be lack of acknowledgement on the STW threads I've seen that the violence is two sided as it appears only Israel is ever painted in a negative light.

I don't think there is any doubt that there is blame on both sides, and I don't see anyone here claiming that the Palestinians are pure as snow. However, there is a huge difference between the violence of youths with stones and a state with tanks and planes, and in the context in which that violence happens - the brutal suppression of a population and flagrant disregard for their basic rights.

unkyard, by the same token there seems to be lack of acknowledgement on the STW threads I've seen that the violence is two sided as it appears only Israel is ever painted in a negative light.

Zionism is not defined as thinking israel has the right to exist is it 🙄

So your turn to condemn Israel for some of the bad stuff it does

Feel free to make a list ranging from the nukes, to assassinations abroad to controlling food, to land grabs, to illegal settlement