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I would imagine this kinda thing is the more important stuff to be discussing, rather and the religious history, and the reasons why it happened.

And more importantly, how to fix it. Which is world pressure on israel, the US to stop "military aid" and a 1 state solution where palestinian and israelis have the democratic right to 1 person, 1 vote.

[quote=seosamh77 opined]chewkw, piss off.

Have you considered file blocker so you dont even get to see his posts?

If not at least stop quoting him in replies

chewkw - Member

Me? I am earning peanuts so not much to cheer about ...

Therefore, even if the world ends tomorrow it is still sod all to me ... well in fact if the world ends tomorrow the better as I do not have to continue with this rat race.

the more rubbish Chewie comes out with, the more he makes perfect sense.

israel does allow its Israeli Jewish citizens free access to the Temple Mount.

* we live an absurd world where there are special rules about whether you're allowed to internally cast spells to your favourite sky fairy on a particular hill

is there a way to tell who is praying and who is just "contemplating"?

This is sophistry

really??

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-why-israel-attacking-jerusalems-al-aqsa-mosque

 

Back to the OP... I think it's pretty funny that Angela Merkel's responded essentially "**** off Netanyahu, you're a pure dick, every **** knows it was us... ya fanny"

gonzy,

Interesting long explanation there.
Perhaps the real question is why after so many centuries everyone still wants to kill/hate the Jews? 😯

who destroyed it the first time? the Babylonians. - [b]They want the Jews dead.[/b]
who destroyed it the second time? the Romans. - [b]They want them dead. [/b]
who expelled the Jews? the Romans did. - [b]They want them dead again.[/b]
where did the Jews flee to? Europe - [b]They are not exactly welcome but accepted them for the "financial management skills" so they let them stay.[/b]
Who banished the Jews from Europe? the Christians - [b]They want them dead because they killed their "god".[/b]
who offered the Jews protection and sanctuary? the Muslims - [b]But now they want them dead too! [/b]8O

What has gone wrong with the original Abrahamic faith?
Is it because they claim themselves to be the worthy ones?

Judging from the history ... the Jews cannot be leader nor form their own state and if they do they would be destroyed again and again ...

Why do people hate Jews so much I don't know ...
Are you saying you hate Jews because of their occupation (I use the world loosely) of Palestine?

That does not make sense coz Jews have been hated throughout their existence judging from their history so make up your mind ... if you don't like them just say so and try not to pussy foot around trying to use other issues to justify your hatred.

If history is right then Israel will be destroyed in future and you will have a hand in its destruction since you hate Israel that much ... blood on your hand I am afraid. You compassion for another human being ... ya right ... out the windows ... double talk fork tongues ... 😆

Northwind - Member
... Angela Merkel's ...

She is a piece of pork pie. 😆

I've heard it was all a misunderstanding... 😉

NSFW Subtitles.

For those that hate Israel I bet deep down you have conflicting minds don't you?

On the one hand you really feel that they should all vanish from this earth like the time in WWII ...

On the other hand you want to be seen as the champion of moral rights etc so you realise you have difficulty justifying the WWII action, yet deep down you hate them so much to the core you are tempted to justify that WWII action don't you?

Now you have a problem ... Ya, you need to justify your action ... 😆

Ya, you nasty! You bad! 😛

Oh man, I wish there was a blocker for Safari on iPad !!! 🙁

It's funny isn't it. There are so many different personalities and opinions on STW but there appears to be one person almost everyone would like to block.....

imnotverygood - Member

It's funny isn't it. There are so many different personalities and opinions on STW but there appears to be one person almost everyone would like to block.....

The same thing happened long time ago when alternative views were snuff out only to be replaced by a single minded entity that consuming everything in its path.

seosamh77 - Member
Chewkw, f*** you.

Calm down dear ... it's only STW forum. 😛

you say that Jerusalem isnt important in Islam

It's also quite ridiculous to suggest Israel is allowing Jews to vandalise Temple Mount, the number of Jewish visitors averages less than 5 people a day and I have never ever seen anything about vandalism. It is Palestinians who are vandalising Jewish holy sites most recently again firebombing Joseph's tomb. The Isreali government prevents Jews from praying at The site of Temple Mount even though it's a Jewsih holy site which predates Islam. The current troubles have been whipped up by Palestinian leaders spreading false rumours.

So @gonzy did you know the Grand Mufti who had been the leader of the Palastinian Arabs since 1921 had lived in Berlin, cozied up to the Nazis, worked to prevent Jews leaving Germany for Jerusalem and been instrumental in the formation of a Nazi SS brigade ? I certainly didn't before this week. FWIW I don't think the Grand Mufti was responsible for the shift towards exterminating the Jews but it certainly looks to me like he played an active part.

@seaso there is NEVER going to be a one state solution. The Oslo accord provided a 2 state solution model which was accepted by the PLO and rejected by Hamas, hence the mess we have today. Palestinians register as refugees as they get money from the UN as a result. 700,000 people where displaced by the formation is Isreal yet today there are 5 (?) million Palestinian refugees. All Palestinians where offered Isreali or Jordanian citizenship (West Bank was in Jordan)

Are you saying you hate Jews because of their occupation (I use the world loosely) of Palestine?

no i dont hate Jews.
we are all essentially of the same faith...just different variations. we share the same prophets in our beliefs and as you rightly pointed out both Islam and Judaism can trace their lineage back to Abraham. his first born Ishmael is revered as one of the patriarchs of Islam and his second son Isaac is revered as one of the patriarchs of Judaism.

my beef is with the Zionist government and its illegally inhumane and barbaric policies against the Palestinian people. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, so i suppose that makes me an anti-Zionist.

zionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam

Everyone can see it except the zionists who think you must hate jews if you criticise what Israel does- I suspect ISIS think the same.

Anti semitism is just a lazy slur zionists use as even they know its nigh ion impossible to defend what israel does. Imagine Iraq took over Israel and did to the jews what israel does to Palestine.

Gonzy - Do you have any beef with the Arab governments who instead of accepting the 1947 UN partition plan swore to wipe Israel off the map, fpand fought three wars trying to do so, before abandoning the Palestinians to their fate?

Gonzy - Do you have any beef with the Arab governments who instead of accepting the 1947 UN partition plan swore to wipe Israel off the map, fpand fought three wars trying to do so, before abandoning the Palestinians to their fate?

yes

can you or Jambalaya say the same to the 2 questions?

the very partition plan the uk govt declined to implement and co operate with- that one?

Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] They argued that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6

They did have a pretty good point to be fair
It also reasonable to say both sides have done things that did not help peace but peace rarely starts with implementing land grabs for a minority people against the majority

Junkyard - lazarus

zionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam

Okay ...
Zionism = extreme Judaism,
ISIS = extreme Islam.

Let's try this logic ...

Does that mean extreme Judaism or Zionism was the reason that Jews (no distinction between extreme or moderate ones) have been prosecuted since their inception?

The second question is how can they be all extreme for so long without learning the lesson from the past since the Egyptian time?

The 3rd question does that mean the same await Islam because like the Zionist they are hell bend on their extreme views?

😯

"zionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam"

By that definition you need to be an 'extreme' Jew to be a Zionist.

What a load of tosh.

Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?

Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians

[quote=nim opined]Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?

what is it with zionists that even on a thread where the israel PM said a lie about history they still revert to discussing What the other side do?

Its so clear you dont want to defend what you are trying to defend that you wont even try.

Also what Mr 100% is doing

Either defend what he said or what Israel did or just accept that deep down even you know its wrong. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history repeat it as the racist apartheid zionist ghettoise another people

Tragic.

Junkyard - lazarus
Either defend what he said or what Israel did or just accept that deep down even you know its wrong. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history repeat it as the racist apartheid zionist ghettoise another people

Tragic.

You want my opinion don't you? You want? I know you want!

Very simple.

Give that piece of land to Israel or the Jewish people.

Then move the entire population of Palestine to Syria to replenish the migrated population. Plenty of space and plenty of land, then if they wish they can start fighting amongst themselves as much as they like. Everyone's happy.

Problem solved.

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Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians

I don't think anyone here is condoning it, are they? I suppose we can only speculate on the mindset of the Israeli Jew who stabbed an Israeli Jew supermarket-worker in a case of mistaken identity, shouting "you are bastard Arabs", but we do know for a fact that overwhelmingly, the victims of the violence are Palestinian.

I don't agree with what the PM said, it was clumsy, unnecessary and even Yad Vashem called it historically inaccurate.

I was referring to what Gonzy had said. I presume that's allowed?

Neither party is going anywhere, 2 state solution is the only way forward.

Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?

would what include the Arab citizens? i dont get your point here?...explain or put it into context...its Friday before half term and i'm winding down.

just because they are moving freely in their places of employment...do you think that they are suddenly treated with some form of dignity and respect? how else would you expect them to carry out their jobs...chained to a desk or being in a chain gang whilst being overseen by a trigger happy IDF officer?
yes there are Arab Israeli citizens, many of whom who live in Israel as they have been lucky enough to not have their land/property seized to make way for settlers...but just because they have citizenship, do you think they are afforded the same basic rights as a Jewish Israeli citizen? and how many security checkpoints did they have to go through to get to work? how many got turned away at those checkpoints?

Black South Africans moved freely and had citizenship in South Africa during the years of Apartheid...but that meant absolutely f*** all when it came to their basic legal and constitutional rights....the same as in Israel/Palestine

b lack South Africans moved freely and had citizenship in South Africa

No they didn't you numpty

So @gonzy did you know the Grand Mufti who had been the leader of the Palastinian Arabs since 1921 had lived in Berlin, cozied up to the Nazis, worked to prevent Jews leaving Germany for Jerusalem and been instrumental in the formation of a Nazi SS brigade ?

[i]"All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilisation that was the Holocaust," he said.

"This is taught in German schools for good reason, it must never be forgotten and I see no reason to change our view of history in any way.

"We know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own."[/i]

Angela Merkel.

I was referring to what Gonzy had said. I presume that's allowed?

A two state solution is the only way forward with what we have now.

http://richardedmondson.net/2015/10/20/palestinian-woman-kicked-in-head-as-jewish-mob-debates-whether-to-kill-her/

I think the solution is probably for Israel to buy Greece, and move there.

Or, you know, just invade and build a load of houses and kill anyone who argues.

A two state solution is the only way forward with what we have now.

I agree a two state solution is the only way forward. It is is necessary to look at what we have now when trying find a solution. Endlessly debating what should have been is not going to get us anywhere.

Israelis are on high alert after a spate of stabbings and related attacks such as [url=

The idiots on the video you posted behaved terribly, there was no need to kick her etc but if there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.

"how else would you expect them to carry out their jobs...chained to a desk or being in a chain gang whilst being overseen by a trigger happy IDF officer?"

Re your perceptions, have a listen or look this guy up, former Islamist now Zionist. [url=

there was no need to kick her etc but if there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.

Yes Israel and its citizens act just like any other nation would 😆

Have we mentioned the Israeli mob that lynched that innocent Erritrean guy, coz they thought his looked like a terrorist

Zarhum was shot and wounded before being shot several more times by a security guard at the bus station as he crawled along the floor. Still alive, he was then surrounded by people who cursed and spat at him, kicked him in the head and tried to hit him with a chair.

nim - Member

if there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.

And what was the cause of that suspicion?

"Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34602287

"Israeli man stabs fellow Israeli Jew after 'mistaking him for Arab'"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a6692536.html

zionism in a nutshell
https://www.facebook.com/RamallahCityOfficialPage/videos/694686917272418/

[quote=Northwind spake unto the masses]
And what was the cause of that suspicion?

Well, the guy was a bit dark-looking so it was only natural to assume he was a homicidal lunatic and beat him to death. It's an easy mistake to make; face it, we've all done it at one time or another.

jambalaya - Member - Block User
Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians

The impression I got was that the PA had successfully curtailed Hamas' call for a day of rage.

Hilarious the woman at the beginning citing the Oslo accord, as if Israel has upheld it's part of the deal. Breathtaking hypocrisy.

Zarhum was shot and wounded before being shot several more times by a security guard at the bus station as he crawled along the floor. Still alive, he was then surrounded by people who cursed and spat at him, kicked him in the head and tried to hit him with a chair.

@gonzy, I looked back and can't find which are the two questions you are referring to. I'd be happy to try and give an answer or express an opinion . Did you know about the Mufti being in Nazi Germany and the Muslim Balkans SS brigade ?

Also I think the similarities in the roots of Judaism, Christiantiy and Islam is a factor in the historical tensions not least as its lead to fighting over the same holy sites. Look at the Sunni / Shia sectarian violence between groups of fundamentally the same religion which has 100,000s of victims. I do generally think it's about power and control rather than religious differences. Palestine is no different in that regard.

@Lifer the Palestinian community was hugely divided by the Oslo accords with those in Hammas (and other factions) regarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations

Breathtaking hypocrisy.

egarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations

jambalaya - Member - Block User
@Lifer the Palestinian community was hugely divided by the Oslo accords with those in Hammas (and other factions) regarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations

But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.

But despite all that you've completely missed my point. You can't use something that you yourself have disregarded against others that have disregarded it. I'm not condoning the fire-bombing of a sacred site I just found it an incredible plea to an authority that Israel itself subverted from the beginning.