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No one ever gives a shit about the poor - Jarrow Crusade? No one ever gives a shit about the working class- miners strike why would these people think that this was the way to change things rather than a general election? Christ I would rather they all voted UKIP at least it would have meaning
The very people that a lot of exit voters supported could not give a shit about them - talk about being mugged it's utterly disgraceful
Not only that they never gave a shit about the poor and they still dont
The only real question is when the poor wake up to this fact not whether it is a fact
The British overfished?
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/public/searescue/article1062537.ece
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/27/overfishing-european-trawlers-eu-exemption
Again just a couple of stories from a few years ago.
The Navy has been intercepting and running off EU trawlers for years now who flouted and ignored the fishing ban.
Go back further and you'll hear stories of fishing communities all around Britain decimated.
But hey, like I said some people have short memories.
hora - MemberOldmanmtb you now it's feasible people have long memories about the UK fishing industry decimation
Which was a UK government decision. This is another "blame the EU for something we did to ourselves".
We will now be able to drive on the left when visiting continental Europe, which will be massively safer due to the steering wheel being on the right side at last - especially when overtaking.
It's also the start of a golden era for people who love telling others to stop whining whenever they disagree with their opinion. 😉
It's a important anniversary today. Missed by me and many no doubt 🙁
Good for manufacturing Hora? One of our local brewers was on Radio 4 saying that their hop shipment had just cost £800 more and they were really worried. They are small, go getting but not big enough to absorb massive price fluctuations that easily. When you don't have lots of backing even short term issues can sink you even if you look sound for the longer term.
It's not simple. Big companies with deep pockets will weather if. SMEs just have to be unlucky to fail.
hora - MemberIt's a important anniversary today. Missed by me and many no doubt
The aniversary of our government blowing up their own buses on the same day they were training for exactly such an incident and blaming it on some clueless planted scapegoats?
My Christmas card list is a lot shorter now so that's good. Also, as the backside falls out of the pound I've decided to embrace the challenge of having to rely on British food - does anyone have any good recipes for swan and red squirrel?
The aniversary of our government blowing up their own buses on the same day they were training for exactly such an incident and blaming it on some clueless planted scapegoats?
Not sure if trolling or just a monumental ****.
Why not both?
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexiters-excuses-increasingly-bollocks-20160707110366 ]The Mash... how far off the mark?[/url]
Also I'm looking forward to Britain returning to how it was in days of yore - I've watched a lot of Downton Abbey and have a face for hats
@oldman - you are aware there has been no cut in corporation tax ? Osbourne who may well not be chancellor in 2 months time made a "proposal" to the media. It carries no weight at all.
made a "proposal" to the media. It carries no weight at all.
A phrase that has become so popular post brexit....
So. Come on where is the rest of the good news?
@thisisnotaspoon: sorry to hear of your job loss. I fear my team and I may find ourselves in a similar position. not as a result of Brexit itself; but the likely upcoming recession created by all this uncertainty.
Sucks to be you TINAS! But at least you know where you stand I suppose... Cos currently, I'm in the unenviable position of owning my own business selling high end consumer goods in a time when consumer confidence is at an all time low as it dawns on them what they've done. So it sucks to be me too I guess!
I was an avid remain voter, I've always voted in General and local elections, but always kept it my own business as to who I voted for and why. The consequences of one party out of several being in control of the country for the next few years, and us then getting to vote again and change the status quo if we want to, being far less important than that of an (ironically advisory and not legally binding) referendum! As per P-Jay's comments, I was a complacent remainer, I believed that common sense and decency would prevail and we'd see a 60/40 vote (or greater) in favour of remaining. **** me if that wasn't some epic protest vote boys and girls! Way to stick it to the "slightly right of centre" establishment by empowering their much further right colleagues!
The thing is, everyone is now saying "oh well, shit happens, I'll just have to tighten my belt a bit"... That's all well and good, everyone lives to their means, if your disposable income has effectively just been reduced by 10-15%, your aspirational purchases are the first thing to go out of the window... My takings over the last 3 weeks (sales started to go down when people really started the scaremongering on social media) have gone down by over 70% compared to the preceding weeks, and the same weeks last year. Now some of that could be attributable to the crap British summer, but I'm guessing not that much.
Now, remain voter as I was, staunch and proud, I'd be more than a little prepared to be eating face fulls of humble pie had someone from the leave camp, say Boris Johnson per chance, had actually managed to formulate some sort of a plan to take the country forward. Having galvanised over half of the UK's votes, this Blonde prick instead has the audacity to say "sorry mate, didn't plan for this, you're on your own" leaving the country in a state of panic! If you're going to lead us into battle, albeit reluctantly, at least give us the confidence that you have more than half an idea what you're actually doing. I may not agree with you, but if you've got the conviction to stand by what you believe, faced with no other alternative I'd have stood behind you and fought your cause... But what we have instead is beyond a joke! Our boat has no captain, no rudder, no paddles, no lifeboats, no rats left to eat and those stupid enough to think that this is still a fantastic situation used the "in case of emergency" manual as a ****ing firelighter in their bid to keep warm!
ARGH!!!!!!! 🙄 😳 😥
I'm desperately trying to restore my customers confidence right now. The one upside is that there's never been a better time to buy a new bike, as relatively speaking, the bikes in the shops already are a bargain, as those that replace them will become ever more expensive. The reality is that consumers are worried, and as the bike isn't a necessity, they've closed down to the idea of buying a new one. Public perception is of course that whilst Joe Bloggs might have been looking at the XT equipped model of said bike, his budget will now only afford to buy him the SLX version so that's what he goes with instead. Reality is that Joe Bloggs wants XT, he won't settle for SLX, so he decides to postpone his purchase for another year or until he can afford XT again, which then of course starts a bidding war, every retailer under the sun trying to undercut each other and sell bikes at below cost just to pay this month's wage and rent bills! Of course the receivers are already rubbing their hands together, this is going to be times of plenty for them. But of course that's exactly what this country needs, big banks taking forced control of lots of independent businesses and asset stripping them and selling them off for 10p in the £... It's not like I've put several years of hard work into this and I've got staff to pay or anything!
The absolute worst part of all this though, and it's driven a massive wedge between us... My father, who has a fairly significant monetary investment in my business and isn't in a position that he won't miss it, still believes that Brexit is the best thing to happen to Britain since the allies won WW2! We're now barely on speaking terms (he believes that if the business suffers, which it is, it's me doing it on purpose to try to prove a point to him! FFS!!!) and I'm now working twice as hard as I already was (which was very hard anyway) just to try to protect our investment... I know that whatever happens, I've been broke before, I know how to deal with it, build myself back up again etc. I've found work before, I will find it again, I'm a pretty resourceful guy. But my Father? Well if this self fulfilling prophecy of a recession abates our relationship is always going to have a huge level of friction from now on at the very least, because believe me, he would cut off his nose to spite his face in an attempt to prove me wrong. And should it not recover? Well he will of course blame my incompetence (the business has been profitable since we started it, and turnover increasingly gone up and up until now). Oh the joy!
So... Please, for my sake and others like me... If you are unaffected or even better off because of Brexit, go and buy a new damned bike tomorrow! And if you are affected, and were about to buy a new bike, just buy the slightly lower specced one anyway, it's only 250g heavier and you won't really notice the difference anyway! 😳
I had a sad conversation with a young italian today... He's moved to scotland, left school with their gcse equivalent but now that he's grown up a bit, wants to get back into education. And what could i tell him? Absolutely * all. Because we don't know. Last month I'd say, go to college, get a HND, articulate into uni in 2nd or 3rd year. But we have no idea where we'll be in 2 years in relation to EU students- there might be no place for him, there might be no government support, and he's screwed.
It's one thing to say "oh it's just a little uncertainty, we'll pull through, just a couple of years"- if it gets you at the wrong moment, this is lifechanging stuff. This is what I do, it's [i]why[/i] I do what I do and all I could do for this kid was say sorry- we've *ed you. Not happy.
Scientific collaborations involving UK scientists are getting reviewed, which means less work for the same money for UK academics.
the ones that don't lose their jobs
that already have jobs, that is. If you are young and untenured, it's a bit bleak
What is it you do for a living Northwind?
all I could do for this kid was say sorry- we've ****ed you. Not happy.
he probably feels a bit like all those working classes in the midlands/north have done for many years...
Ultimately the vote is our governments fault for letting conditions in these areas reach the state they have - and not just this one but all the previous ones as well, and particularly if they were labour as they were suppossed to be more sympathetic to that sector.
he probably feels a bit like all those working classes in the midlands/north have done for many years..
Right. Brexit will be all about making their lives better.
Ultimately the vote is our governments fault for letting conditions in these areas reach the state they have - and not just this one but all the previous ones as well,
Got it!
and particularly if they were labour as they were suppossed to be more sympathetic to that sector.
Aaaah - yes - of course. Maybe if they'd just worn a nice suit and tie on the doorstep?
Right. Brexit will be all about making their lives better.
well what else was, and it has had an effect, banks/businesses are taking more notice. Investment banks are also taking notice of the problems of inequality :
Anthony Hilton's column in the standard last night quoted Deloitte senior partner David Sproul telling the annual conference of lobbying body TheCityUK "We are all paid too much. We will never shift the negative attitudes to globalisation if we carry on paying ourselves too much". HSBC Chairman Douglas Flint said he believed the world still wants the benefits of globalisation but with a much better distribution of the spoils. FCA chairman John Griffith-Jones said that now really is the time for the City to put the end-users of the market first.
Anthonys conclusion was "Business and finance have for years ignored soft talk about reputational risk and the withdrawal of a licence to operate as being the pious words of losers who don't really matter. But the Brexit vote presents a new hard reality - distrust and dislike of business have prompted the public to vote for a change that, if it goes through, will make commercial life harder and less profitable. Ignored for years, the public has finally found a way to force business to listen."
Brexit will be all about making their lives better.
Convince me.
...he would cut off his nose to spite his face...
I understand why he thinks Brexit is a good idea.
TurnerGuy if you believe any of the bollocks people like David Sproul say about being over paid as actually having a knock on effect to Traders and Merchant Bankers take home pay - dream on
Ultimately the vote is our governments fault for letting conditions in these areas reach the state they have - and not just this one but all the previous ones as well, and particularly if they were labour as they were suppossed to be more sympathetic to that sector.
It's easy enough to bemoan "the morons" who voted out for screwing up the country when you look around and see a nice place to live, some good income and the tenant paying your mortgage for you, however what if all you see is the degeneration of your town through lack of investment and interest with nothing to show for rising costs? Less reasonably paid secure jobs through ailing manufacturing sectors, compounded by the hike in house prices in recent years and all the while the South East seems happy to look after itself ie by channelling shitloads of money into HS2 to benefit London bound commuters whilst north of Luton get cattle sheds with battery hen spacing. The consequences of slapping a turd in your own face aren't as bad when you're in the slurry pit already.
We're all going to be poorer and people are nicer when they are poor
Except for the ones persecuting the immigrants
Some actual good here:
Some actual good here:
why is that good ?
They are just thinking of their own pockets again and not anybody that is suffering from the policies of the EU, or whether the EU is actually a good thing.
Ryan91 I agree that these places exist and people are absolutely fed up but this will change nothing - no one is going to invest on Nissan Sunderland levels in every post industrial town north of watford. I don't think for one minute that this stuff is fixable at any level. I have an American business colegue who is well travelled and he points out that nobody in the UK with investment cash would have ever backed Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Cisco HP or a raft of other VC businesses- the problem is we are ruled (yes ruled) by a class of people who are little more than Landlords and they will only investment in fixed assets and not human endeavour- this is my massive concern about the whole brexit bollocks we simply don't have the cultural or fiscal structure to create anything and if anyone wants to test this walk into your bank with 2 propositions the first £250k for a buy to let property or £250k to set up a manufacturing business that will create 10 jobs and I can guarantee Which one will get signed off.
Some actual good here:
Propoganda 😉 Lets see how the Austrian Presidential re-vote goes ? My money is Brexit means a win for Hofer.
no one with investment cash would have backed Microsoft, Facebook, Google ..
Your friend is clueless, whilst the US has a larger and more aggressive venture capital scene we have plenty of such investors many of them investing in the US funds which back these companies. Whilst it may be a US based fund fhe investors are global.
Banks are absolutely not the place to go for venture capital, banks are not in the business of lending based on an idea - thats VC. Same here and in the US
why is that good ?
Because it means 400m people in the EU will be spared he self inflicted misery which we have chosen to inflict upon ourselves!
I'd say it's a really good result (just not for us).
Footflaps Europe is very very sick indeed. The reason IMF/OECD wanted us to Remain is they want us to prop it up and they are well aware a Brexit will be worse for Europe than it will be for the UK. We have a flexible and dynamic economy unlike the rigid and dated environment which fhe EU seeks to protect. We'll be fine, I very much doubt the EU will be
Footflaps Europe is very very sick indeed.
Is that why you're there now?
Footflaps Europe is very very sick indeed.
Yet, another #jambafact from the world's biggest Eurosceptic.
The reason IMF/OECD wanted us to Remain is they want us to prop it up
Except they are they are punishing the £ more than the Euro, which suggests they think we are going to worse off than them...
Is that why you're there now?
World's biggest hypocrite....
Jamba - is far right Austrian leadership a good thing?
I assume you mean this Hofer
Austrian far-right presidential candidate Norbert Hofer has said he does not want his country to leave the European Union, apparently softening his position on a future referendum.
Mr Hofer is aiming to win a rerun of the presidential election on 2 October after his Freedom Party won a court challenge over voting irregularities.
After UK voters backed Brexit, he said Austria might also hold a referendum.
However, he has now made clear he thinks leaving would be a "mistake".
"I'm not in favour of an Austrian exit from the European Union; I've been annoyed for days that people have assumed I am," he told Die Presse newspaper
"I'm not in favour of an Austrian exit from the European Union; I've been annoyed for days that people have assumed I am," he told Die Presse newspaper
And if history has taught us anything it's never good to upset insecure Austrian racists...
Still light on the good news then...
"Convince me"
Stop reading newspapers and the BBC for a start.
All I can see is 'your holiday spending money will suffer' instead of our export trade will boom.
We do alot of exports, this is great for exports, shit for holiday money.
Start thinking positive.
All I can see is 'your holiday spending money will suffer' instead of our export trade will boom.We do alot of exports, this is great for exports, shit for holiday money.
Start thinking positive.
Ah thinking positive, forgot about that, along with bury head in sand and ignore the news....
Great for exports, unless we need to ship them, or they are made from UK sourced materials etc. Or neglecting the fact that the UK runs a massive trade deficit so imports significantly more than it exports...
Convince me with facts rather than vague statements.
We do alot of exports, this is great for exports, shit for holiday money.
It's shit for a lot more than holiday money, hora.
Any idea how much we import from Europe, and how this is affecting and will continue to affect prices? If you're not sure, the BBC and newspapers can help with answers.
I'm afraid a positive mental attitude is unlikely to help with things like this, old chap.
+1,MWS.
Hi we export an unknown amount to Europe. There are no trade tarrifs as yet but when they are c3%? Who knows. If we sell what people want they will buy it regardless of 3% difference. People here will still want to buy posh VAG products. The world will continue to turn.
The world will continue to turn.
....but costing us all more with each rotation.
Freedom at any price eh?