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See, you never know what the next mayn is capable of, if he's carrying a weapon or owt. Someone who is proper scared is a lot more likely to use a weapon, believe me. It is seriously stupid to make assumptions and underestimate the potential of a person to cause harm.
So the alternative is to be a shitebag, look out the window or hide behind your paper and let little reptiles such as "no pay" get away with it?
If it prevents violence, yes.
It's a flipping train ticket; he's not raping and torturing someone ffs.
It's a flipping train ticket; he's not raping and torturing someone ffs.
We were talking about this over dinner last night. Apparently my sister was confronted by a junkie on a busy train carriage recently. He's up in her face screaming and shouting at her and threatening her with a bottle.
Not one person in the carriage tried to help her. They all turned a blind eye.
Cowards.
Horrible situation for yer sister, but what's your point, caller?
Elf, shut up.
winter wipeout is on 😉
Or rather than going on a knifewielding rampage stabbing inncoent bystanders because he was scared the wee man could just have paid his £5.00 fare.
Definitely the big man's fault,a carriage full of stabbed people all because of him bring back hangin'
"he might have a knife" is no excuse for not intervening.
Boarding bob - thats a different situation where restraint is clearly acceptable - Ie remove the junkie as far away as needed. I would hope I would intervene if and when required.
winter wipeout is on
WOOOHOOOO!
(Runs off screaming with excitement)
We were talking about this over dinner last night. Apparently my sister was confronted by a junkie on a busy train carriage recently. He's up in her face screaming and shouting at her and threatening her with a bottle.Not one person in the carriage tried to help her. They all turned a blind eye.
She was on a train full of STWers making excuses for him (he is probably got health issues, he's only raised his voice he hasn't actually done any harm). Where was it going Bob ? Fort William ?
Elf, given what you've disclosed on here in the past about your own petty criminality I find your protestations about objectivity completely implausible, based on a belief that you'll strongly identify with No Pay.
And arguing that the severity of No Pay's lawbreaking could have been worse is flawed and a total red herring.
Elf, given what you've disclosed on here in the past about your own petty criminality I find your protestations about objectivity completely implausible
Right, so someone who's bin slightly less than perfect has no right to an onion then? So, my past 'criminality' excludes me from being objective, does it? Please explain, I'd be fascinated to hear why you feel this.
based on a belief that you'll strongly identify with No Pay.
Again; love to hear your explanation of why you 'believe' such a thing.
What makes you so righteous then?
No the alternative was for the train conductor not to escalate the situation making people feel they had to join in(due to the conductors threats the train was going no where), and assault some wee knob. The train conductor should have walked away, radio'd the BTP and got them to deal with it.BoardinBob - Member
See, you never know what the next mayn is capable of, if he's carrying a weapon or owt. Someone who is proper scared is a lot more likely to use a weapon, believe me. It is seriously stupid to make assumptions and underestimate the potential of a person to cause harm.
So the alternative is to be a shitebag, look out the window or hide behind your paper and let little reptiles such as "no pay" get away with it?
No, I'd agree, but I think Scotrails procedures should take that into account when advising their staff how to deal with awkward situations.TandemJeremy - Member
"he might have a knife" is no excuse for not intervening.
No the alternative was for the train conductor not to escalate the situation making people feel they had to join in(due to the conductors threats the train was going no where), and assault some wee knob. The train conductor should have walked away, radio'd the BTP and got them to deal with it.
Yep, agreed. The conductor handled things badly, I don't think that can be argued. His main mistake was probably giving the 'big man' [i]explicit[/i] permission to eject the trespasser on his behalf, because it gave control of the situation away. I think it's been previously agreed by people with local knowledge that whilst ideal, the BTP option would have resulted in the scally getting away with it due to the relative distances involved. Whilst it arguably may have resulted in the most 'legally correct' outcome, it just seems wrong.