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"I'm not sure why I should give a shit" says bloke on internet chat bored

I don't think grammar and iq are tied to each other. Being young he naturally has a lot to learn. All sounds quite normal.

"I didn't know if I'd done bad" - says kid with IQ of 161

Yeah, they should dock him 40 points because he doesn't talk like you think he should.

IQ tests measure IQ tests.
I don't think they indicate much else.

IQ has absolutely nothing to do with grammar. The IQ tests have no grammar based questions in them, quite rightly.

I had a relatively high IQ when at school but my English was very average.

I blame McDonalds for the yoof of today's poor grammar. I received a job application and CV written in the present continuous. I'm not bloody lovin' that.

I iz blamez Lolcats for paw grammarz

"I didn't know if I'd done bad"

So what? he's young, he communicated his thoughts/meaning pretty well, all that shows is that he doesn't yet have a full knowledge and command of the rules of (a) language.

It's perfectly possible to be exceedingly clever and not yet have mastered everything, especially at that age!

In other languages that would be correct. People who speak other languages can also have high IQs. People with high IQs don't know everything, they just have an increased ability to work things out when they have learnt the rules.

[i]when they have learnt the rules.[/i]

Not sure what "rules" have to do with the IQ test. From what I remember, it's having the logical thought processes to work things out. Whereas English grammar is mostly about learning rules.

Plus, as any fool no, spoken grammar is very different to written grammar. Innit like.

For native speakers grammar is descriptive not prescriptive, init?

[quote=DezB ]Not sure what "rules" have to do with the IQ test. From what I remember, it's having the logical thought processes to work things out.

Though the chap in question appears old enough that he should have been taught the difference between adjectives and adverbs. His high IQ should mean that he has no problem learning such things, at which point being able to apply the rules in the correct way is a logical problem solving process. Clearly there's been a failure in one of the 3 steps - it seems inconceivable he hasn't been taught the appropriate rules when he goes to a school interested enough to carry out IQ tests, therefore either he's not good at absorbing information or not good at applying the rules in a logical way. My understanding is that linguistics is part of IQ.

His high IQ should mean that he has no problem learning such things, at which point being able to apply the rules in the correct way is a logical problem solving process

Maybe he just dont give a ****?

it seems inconceivable he hasn't been taught the appropriate rules when he goes to a school interested enough to carry out IQ tests,

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edit: He talks like that, because that's how he talks with his mates...probably

Though the chap in question appears old enough that he should have been taught the difference between adjectives and adverbs.

For example, in the written word, the correct way would be to say 'My friends and I went to...' however if talking it is perfectly natural (and acceptable) to say 'Me and my mates went to...'.

Innit.

Though the chap in question appears old enough that he should have been taught the difference between adjectives and adverbs. His high IQ should mean that he has no problem learning such things, at which point being able to apply the rules in the correct way is a logical problem solving process. Clearly there's been a failure in one of the 3 steps - it seems inconceivable he hasn't been taught the appropriate rules when he goes to a school interested enough to carry out IQ tests, therefore either he's not good at absorbing information or not good at applying the rules in a logical way. My understanding is that linguistics is part of IQ.

Or.... he's been taught the rules, applies them when being formally assessed (schoolwork/exams etc.) but the rest of the time just talks how kids talk and as long as people understand him cares no more about it?

In the same way I have a different formal writing style to forum posting style, and I adjust my verbal grammar and vocabulary to the audience I'm interacting with.

Or even wackier theory...has been taught the rules, understands them but just doesn't care as it's not important to him.

[quote=johndoh ]Perhaps he *does* know the difference but chooses to speak different

Fixed 😉

so, in conclusion: snobbery. 😉

You've got a redundant 's' there, Nick.

...which is better than a redundant nob. There, that's that one done.

Interesting debate, my grammar is average, my spelling is appalling but when I was tested at age 11 (by a phycologist) my IQ was recorded as 149 which is much higher than I feel is correct. I'm very good a puzzles and problem solving except when it involves spelling or grammar!

[i]My understanding is that linguistics is part of IQ.[/i]

Nah. I did a ****ing IQ test bleedin yonks ago and was in the top 5% or summink. You should hear me ****ing talk though. Brought up in Leigh Park does that to a mush. Though this had no adverse effect on my English Literature* O'Level grade. (A A)

*I meant Language 😆 Age dunt arf make ya fick.

High IQ kids might be worried about looking/sounding like James Harries did on Wogan some time ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/g2/story/0,3604,472608,00.html

Done good / done bad.

Using an adjective instead of an adverb. Very common colloquially but I dislike it intensely.
You see it all the time in statements like "Eat healthy" or "Shop local".

*I meant Language Age dunt arf make ya fick.