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If you want to control a Wahoo Kickr, for example, Apple is your only choice at the moment.

miketually » 🙂

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Why do these threads exist, some people care, some people don't some people will, some people won't!

[EDIT] - yep, what Drac said!

You seem to be ignorant as regards the meaning of quantify

I should have warned that that site contains humour. You did see all the numbers though?

Why do these threads exist, some people care, some people don't some people will, some people won't!

And some people care too much about whether people care, and what about 🙂

Going back to my question. Can the homework be done by pen and paper? Or is an iPad needed to carry out this task?

I should have warned that that site contains humour. You did see all the numbers though?

Knowing the difference in the diameter, contact patch, etc, does not tell you how much better the wheels are to ride. Which is the whole point of the 650b debate.

But it gives pointers, surely? Knowing the screen resolution of a tablet doesn't tell you what a screen is like to look at.

There's a pretty big list of other bluetooth smart devices as well. http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Bluetooth-Smart-Devices-List.aspx

That sites lists lots of non-iOS devices too.

That sites lists lots of non-iOS devices too.

Dear god man. Nobody claimed Apple had a monopoly on bluetooth did they - just that bluetooth is sometimes useful and that all Apple stuff has it.

Shifting the goalposts again. 🙄

bluetooth is sometimes useful and that all Apple stuff has it

Meaning you always pay for Bluetooth, regardless of need - a downside of Apple products. (Which puts the goalposts back where they were?)

Btw, thanks for clearing up the Flash thing for me grum. 🙂

All we need are food, water and shelter.

Sorry that wasn't the point I was trying to make, which was why don't you just buy whichever tablet you want instead of arguing about why you won't buy an iPad Mini?

That's gone from moving the goalposts to splitting hairs now.

Meaning you always pay for Bluetooth, regardless of need - a downside of Apple products. (Which puts the goalposts back where they were?)

Well nobody 'needs' a tablet computer at all do they - so 'need' is largely irrelevant. Personally I use bluetooth all the time so I'm not sure why having it would be a downside for me. 😕

Seeing as you are so against overpaying - why buy a tablet at all?

Btw, thanks for clearing up the Flash thing for me grum.

🙂

why buy a tablet at all?

I haven't bought a tablet.

That's gone from moving the goalposts to splitting hairs now.

We're beyond page 2 of a STW thread 🙂

I haven't bought a tablet.

😆

Are you interested in buying one? Are you sure you need it?

Are you interested in buying one? Are you sure you need it?

I looked into it, but since I don't have an iPhone with a pokey little screen I decided that I didn't 'need' one 😉

OK, so you're arguing about the relative merits of products which you neither own nor are interested in purchasing.

Hmm, maybe I should sign up to a yachting forum and offer up some of my opinions on gear.

😕

Coming soon to a forum near you: miketually talks about the latest mid range hatchback offerings from BMW, VW and Audi. (He will not be testing the Bluetooth hands free options though, sorry folks.)

🙂

The incremental cost of Bluetooth over Wifi is about 0.01$. They all come bundled on the same Silicon designed by our next door neighbour at work, CSR.....

OK, so you're arguing about the relative merits of products which you neither own nor are interested in purchasing.

My daughter will be leasing an iPad in September and I've also been involved in trials of both iOS, Android and ChromeOS devices at work.

Hmm, maybe I should sign up to a yachting forum and offer up some of my opinions on gear.

Do you work with boats?

Coming soon to a forum near you: miketually talks about the latest mid range hatchback offerings from BMW, VW and Audi.

🙂

Though that analogy would only totally work if I was a mechanic or driving instructor.

The incremental cost of Bluetooth over Wifi is about 0.01$. They all come bundled on the same Silicon designed by our next door neighbour at work, CSR.....

One cent at the factory door becomes about $50 once you slap an Apple on it though 🙂

Do you work with boats?

I've been on boats quite a few times. That's good enough I think.

Though that analogy would only totally work if I was a mechanic or driving instructor.

Or just someone who has to drive for work sometimes - like most people.

I've been on boats quite a few times. That's good enough I think.

Then [url= http://www.ybw.com/forums/index.php ]go for it[/url].

Then go for it.

He probably won't though, unless he wants to end up looking like a nob

That depends upon:
* how much he cares;
* how bored he is.

> The incremental cost of Bluetooth over Wifi is about 0.01$.

One cent at the factory door becomes about $50 once you slap an Apple on it though

Says the man who claimed a non-Apple tablet costing £140 more than the iPad Mini was justified because it has a keyboard.

You can pick up a decent Bluetooth keyboard for a tenner.
Though obviously that means you'd have to use Bluetooth. 😀

Meaning you always pay for Bluetooth, regardless of need - a downside of Apple products.

You're right - my iPad has 16 Gb of storage, but I only use 15.2 Gb. Apple made me buy an extra .8 Gb regardless of the fact that I didn't need it 🙁

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HOMEWORK!!!
£1 pad (paper) and 50p pencil or £700 iPad.
Which is it to be?

An iPad, obviously.

Says the man who claimed a non-Apple tablet costing £140 more than the iPad Mini was justified because it has a keyboard.

The ASUS Transformer has a 10" screen, doesn't it? It's also got 32GB of storage, so costs just £20 more than the equivalent iPad but you get a keyboard 🙂

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HOMEWORK!!!
£1 pad (paper) and 50p pencil or £700 iPad.
Which is it to be?

Is the homework task distributed and handed in on the school's VLE? I find paper rubbish for upload speed.

The ASUS Transformer has a 10" screen, doesn't it? It's also got 32GB of storage, so costs just £20 more than the equivalent iPad but you get a keyboard

I don't want a keyboard.

I never use one.

But one product Apple have recently developed which does seem revolutionary, [b]yet isn't getting much attention[/b], is the new Mac Pro.

🙁

So, no-one interested in a revolutionary designed new computer then?

Apple needn't have bothered.

So, no-one interested in a revolutionary designed new computer then?

a) They announced it ages ago
b) It's a pretty high-cost niche product that's really only designed for media professionals

I'd love one but realistically I can't justify/afford it. It does look cool though.

a) They announced it ages ago

Oh.

b) It's a pretty high-cost niche product that's really only designed for media professionals

I can still use it for surfing and FB and stuff though, right?

I'd love one but realistically I can't justify/afford it.

Cost is supposedly 'from' £2500. It would need a lot of justifying!

It does look cool though.

It's tiny! A real powerful workstation computer that's genuinely 'portable'. I love the design of it, but it appears to use proprietary parts, so probably astronomically expensive to upgrade and/or maintain. Question is, whether or not other manufacturers will follow suit in terms of design, or is it just another Cube?

I don't want a keyboard.

I never use one.

The beauty of Android is that you get that choice 🙂

You get that choice with Apple too - via [i]bluetooth[/i]

I can still use it for surfing and FB and stuff though, right?

Go for it!

It's also got 32GB of storage, so costs just £20 more than the equivalent iPad but you get a keyboard

[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004J4B0MA ]Which you can add to the iPad for £8[/url] (if you really want one).

The beauty of Android is that you get that choice

So with the iPad I don't get a keyboard but I can easily add one if I really wanted to.

How is that [i]not[/i] a choice?

miketually - Member
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HOMEWORK!!!
£1 pad (paper) and 50p pencil or £700 iPad.
Which is it to be?
Is the homework task distributed and handed in on the school's VLE? I find paper rubbish for upload speed.

I think you're missing the irony.
Enjoy your iPad.

You could add the keyboard to a cheaper non-iOS tablet too. For less overall cost.

I think you're missing the iRony.

An AndroidRony would be better than an iRony.

iPads are great devices, but they're not the be all and end all of tablets, though they're often presented as such. I like letting people know that there's an alternative, and that they can get pretty much all the functionality that they need for a fraction of the price.

So, if someone wants a tablet for their kids then, generally, they can spend far less for the same functionality if they don't go for an iPad. Obviously, they're welcome to spend more if they wish.

Our friends bought an iPad for the family to use. Only one of them can use the Facebook app and the others have to log in through the browser. They're worried that their son might buy things through iTunes, because everything's linked to the one account. On a Jelly Bean tablet, they could have separate accounts.

And they dropped it and the screen cracked.

I like [s]letting people know that there's an alternative, and that they can get pretty much all the functionality that they need for a fraction of the price.[/s] trying to troll people with iPads

FTFY.

Only one of them can use the Facebook app and the others have to log in through the browser.

Couldn't they just press the "Log Out" button in the app?

They're worried that their son might buy things through iTunes, because everything's linked to the one account.

So they use the Restrictions to lock that out yeah?

On a Jelly Bean tablet, they could have separate accounts.

Yeah it does annoy me that iOS expects there to only ever be one user. Multiple user accounts would be nice.

And they dropped it and the screen cracked.

Well clearly that wouldn't have happened with Android as the Android OS has a special app that hardens glass to the strength of diamonds.

I like [s]letting people know that there's an alternative, and that they can get pretty much all the functionality that they need for a fraction of the price.[/s] trying to troll people with iPads

I though I'd made that pretty obvious, didn't I?

Well clearly that wouldn't have happened with Android as the Android OS has a special app that hardens glass to the strength of diamonds.

They'd have had a slab of plastic covered in broken glass that cost them £200, instead of £300.

They'd have had a slab of plastic covered in broken glass that cost them £200, instead of £300.

Just as well they didn't buy a £600 Android then...

Multiple user accounts would be nice.

There's this icon too, which I don't think iOS has:
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Supramolecular chemistry? Or just normal molecular chemistry?

I like this one better:

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Caffeine: (C8H10N4O2)

It allows sharing of data between apps. Something Apple would never allow.

Ah. A virus and malware button. That's handy.

Do you also get free copies of these with it?
[url= https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antivirus ]AVG Anti Virus for Android[/url]
[url= http://www.zdnet.com/malwarebytes-launches-anti-virus-android-app-7000022023/ ]MalwareBytes for Android[/url]

Odd those aren't available for iOS eh? I wonder why 😀

Meaning you always pay for Bluetooth, regardless of need - a downside of Apple products.

It's comes built into the radio chips, you pay for it, regardless of what label the front of the device has on it, meaning you always pay for it.

That's not strictly speaking true.

Adding Bluetooth may well cost $0.01 as footflaps suggested earlier, but that only relates to the hardware cost. It doesn't cover the cost in development effort, testing, radio standards compliance, license fees etc.

I have an iPad1 - its used daily and I will be upgrading it to an iPad Air as I want the improved performance and the Retina. The iPad1 is stuck on iOS5 (only from 2 onwards can you run iOS7) and I can sell it and make 30% of purchase price of a new iPad Air (to poster who asked why you'd pay a premium for an Apple product this is part of the answer of 3.5years of constant use I can sell it for a reasonable price).

I just took the free Mavericks upgrade so new iPad will synch that much better with my 4S and computer.

As for keyboards I have an Apple wireless keyboard (£60) for my Mac Mini which I can use wit the iPad although I rarely do, if you really want a keyboard then that's a route you can take.

Numbers - fine for smaller stuff, as yet it's not going to replace major Excel sheets with embedded macros etc
Pages - pretty good, my choice for creating and editing documents

To the poster who's just bought an iPad4, if you can get it switched I would the danger is that you won't be able to get your hands on an iPad Air in time for Christmas as demand will be too great

I very much doubt there'll be too many bargain iPad 3/4's - more available I'd suggest as people upgrade but "a bargain", I doubt it.

b) It's a pretty high-cost niche product that's really only designed for media professionals

And even then they are well served by their other products. I use a retina MBP and can edit native HD footage (no proxies) with no issue and work on 2-8gb photoshop files without having to wait to do anything. It's very fast processing 22, 36, 50, 60 megapixel files in 16bit. If it was hooked up to an external ssd scratch disk it would be even faster (waiting for the sonnet echo15 to come in stock)
Unless I worked on big video projects and in 4k I wouldn't feel the need for a new mac-pro and even the you are still having to expand with the same thunderbolt peripherals that you would use with a MBP.

You could add the keyboard to a cheaper non-iOS tablet too. For less overall cost.

But it's not an iPad. 😕

It doesn't cover the cost in development effort, testing, radio standards compliance, license fees etc.

Amortised over the 170 million iPads they've sold, it might bump the cost up to $0.015 😉

Yeah fine for big selling iPads - but I think the point was more like "why don't all tablets have Bluetooth cos it is really cheap"

If you're knocking out a tablet as cheap as you can that'll maybe only sell in the tens of thousands then you don't get those nice economies of scale that let you spread out your development costs.

Ah you're talking about the rubbish ones no one buys......

People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.

I don't think I'm a mug, but I do know nothing about computers. I'm on my third iPhone, I have a 27in iMac and an iPad mini and 2 Airport Expresses
I bought them because I like nice things that work well. I know full well I could buy something to do the same job for cheaper, but I work hard to earn my money and like to treat myself to something now and again. I don't buy designer clothes, expensive cars, or piss my money up the wall, so I don't feel the need to justify my choices to anyone, or slag off other systems. It seems to me only Andriod fans do that.
To me, Apple stuff is very, very well made, delightfully simple to use and backed by warranty and customer service that most other brands can only dream of: I dropped my 3 week only iPhone 5 and cracked the screen. I took it to an apple store and told them the truth, fully expecting to pay to get it repaired. I was given a brand new one for free. Tonight I'm downloading the new OSX Mavericks for free. When my iMac keyboard developed a fault, I got a new one for free, without even showing a receipt, with a smile and a thank you.
Thanks Apple, you marketing works, your products work, they last a long time and have good resale value. Your staff are helpful and your stores pleasurable to visit. And I LOVE how you piss people off 😀

Ah you're talking about the rubbish ones no one buys......

Yes, Android.

All we need are food, water and shelter.

Have you not seen the latest version of Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs?

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And I LOVE how you piss people off

If you really want to see pissed off people, STW is very tame. However, take a look at the comments section on any Charles Arthur article in the Guardian tech section. He doesn't even need to be writing about phones let alone mention Apple and about 200 die hard posters pop up and add comments about blatant Apple bias on, for example, a review of a Sony DVD player. Apple haterz seem to attract very disturbed people..

Footflaps. Really? Wow....

People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.

I would have to disagree. I still use a mid 2007 iMac, now running Mavericks beautifully. It hasn't missed a beat. Not one clean install, not one virus. It just keeps on working. I use it for work, photo/video editing etc so I give it some stick. I plan to upgrade soon but I know I can sell it for at least £400 (cost me 1200). I'm not sure that could be said for a PC (same spec) that is 6 years old.

In case it's not obvious without the context, I [b]don't[/b] think "[i]People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers."[/i] - I was saying that this seems to be what a lot of Apple-haterz think for some reason.

I followed it up by saying that I use Apple and I'm a Comp Sci degree holding software engineer with 16 years in the job, specialising in embedded systems.

EDIT: @Graham - just seen your clarification, but I'd already typed and posted my long rant so I'm not deleting it 😳

People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.

In my household (including 3 now grown up kids) we had windows desktop computers and laptops, Nokia and Blackberry phones and iPods. Now we have only Apple computers, tablets and phones.

Trying to argue that only the uniformed buy Apple products is like King Canute telling the tide not to come in.

People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.

Exactly. They just want to get on with their everyday lives or making money using apple computers in their business without being the nerdy ' I.T. Guy' and getting excited about Linux.
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That's okay. I agree with your long rant anyway. It was just misdirected 😀

In case it's not obvious without the context, I don't think "People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers." - I was saying that this seems to be what a lot of Apple-haterz think for some reason.

I wasn't having a dig at you, I missed the context on page 3! My apologies!

Exactly. They just want to get on with their everyday lives or making money using apple computers in their business without being the nerdy ' I.T. Guy' and getting excited about Linux.

It's exactly the opposite motivation for me. I spend all my day dicking about with computers and "getting excited about Linux". 🙂

So when I get home I just want a tablet that works with no fuss.

when I get home I just want a tablet that works with no fuss.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/23/ios-7-0-3-motion-sickness-imessage-fixes ]Apple has released an update for its iOS 7 software to deal with a raft of complaints from users about motion sickness, problems with iMessage and poor calibration of level sensors on the iPhone 5S.[/url]

😉

[i]*Yawn*[/i]

Yeah turns out when you overhaul an operating system sometimes you need to put out a couple of patches afterwards to fix up minor issues. Software company issue minor patch. It's a complete non-story. No software is perfect, but compare that to Microsoft who put out a patch [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_Tuesday ]Every Single Month[/url]!

Incidentally I've not had any issues with iMessage, level calibration or "motion sickness" (really? how sensitive are these people? walking about must be a real strain for them!)

*Yawn*

Hence the 😉

It was more of a comment on the products "just working". It may have been true(ish) in the past, but most devices "just work" nowadays; I can't remember when I last had to mess about at home with hardware or software to get it to work. Despite using MS products 🙂

(I know quite a few people who has iMessage problems. The motion sickness does sound bollocks though.)

but compare that to Microsoft who put out a patch Every Single Month!

Do you two really have nothing better to do with your time than troll Apple threads? It's a bit sad really. 😕