Apple i'm sure would like to try live widgets but to do so would now completely mimic Android, Android has given Apple nowhere to go with iOS, thats what hurts i think.
Well, looking at how many iOS devices are sold compared to Android, I'd say its not really hurt at all, maybe a slight itch, but no more than that.
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Well, looking at how many iOS devices are sold compared to Android, I'd say its not really hurt at all, maybe a slight itch, but no more than that.
Q2 2012 market share for mobile devices:
iOS 18.8%
Android 64.1%
Android outsells iOS because it is cheap (or rather, it appears on cheap devices as well as expensive ones).
It is quite remarkable that Apple can hold 19% of the market with a two or three expensive devices versus thousands of devices of all shapes, sizes and price ranges running Android.
Ahh. Ok. I was wrong sorry. ( not often you hear that on STW!) 🙂
anyone used it to find their way home yet? Have you ended up in a small country near Serbia? Or in the middle of the Atlantic?
"s****s"
Yes. It works fine. As I said a lot earlier, the only ones slagging it off are the ones not using it.
*laughs*
🙂
WHY OH WHY do new tabs open to type in the address bar?????
It's doing my head in. Anyone know if I can change this back?
Ahh. Ok. I was wrong sorry. ( not often you hear that on STW!)
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Q2 2012 market share for mobile devices:
iOS 18.8%
Android 64.1%
I think this is a perfect example for the three types of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics
It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.
@GrahamS - yes it is incredible.
@jfletch - thanks. I am a little sad as my iPad1 is still going strong after 3-ish years, I do lust after my mates iPad3's stunning screen but I cannot justify replacing a perfectly functioning device.
@Drac - one of Apple's strengths is the free OS updates providing increased functionality and pro-longing the life of the device
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It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.
🙄
Oops! They've misplaced Pompey!
@druidh, go on the train or a public place and look at the number of users of the different devices.
5 years ago our household (5 people) was Nokia/Blackberry, MS laptops - now we are all iPhone, MacBook/MacMini, AppleTV and iPad
It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.
I think jambalaya has just usurped GrahamS & CountZero, in who gets to be STW's Apple representative here on Earth 8)
WHY OH WHY do new tabs open to type in the address bar?????
Eh? Where? Not noticed this at all? Example?
It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.
Nah it's just that iPhone/iPad are very recognisable. Direct competitors to iPhone, like the Samsung SIII are also fairly obvious, but glancing around the train might not realise that something like this:
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Is also running Android.
thanks. I am a little sad as my iPad1 is still going strong after 3-ish years,
2 years 3 months
Being deliberately directed away from Portsmouth itself is a unique safety feature 😕
I tried some Portsmouth addresses and Post Codes and they are fine btw
false. I'm using it and slagging it off. Seen my earlier post with the screenshots about why its crap.Yes. It works fine. As I said a lot earlier, the only ones slagging it off are the ones not using it.
For one function, a substitute for a car GPS, it's as good as the old Google app. For everything else it sucks. Denying this comes across as blind fanboyism.
In some ways they are much better I agree, but again don't offer street view or decent aerial images. But wouldn't it be great if phone OS retailers were forced to offer us the option to set our default maps app ourselves in the same way you can set your default browser in windows due to regulatory intervention.[i][OSM][/i]Both better (IMO) than the Apple or Google maps, plus they are free (for users AND developers) and editable by the general public.
@jamie - I'm glad I do something of note, even if it's just a temporary small pond fanboi honour !
But wouldn't it be great if phone OS retailers were forced to offer us the option to set our default maps app
Agreed, but what I'd really prefer is to flip between multiple different maps of the same place, depending on my needs (i.e. OS view if I'm planning a hike, OpenCycleMap/Sustrans if I'm "leisure riding", TeleAtlas/TomTom if I'm driving, Satellite/Aerial if I'm browsing etc)*
So I guess what I'd prefer is that phone OS retailers were forced to allow multiple different map tile providers for their map app.
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*(obviously some map apps do let you do this already, but they can't be set as OS default, which is what you are getting at)
quick straw pole in the office (with a demographic that will be heavily skewed towards Apple ownership) shows 6 iPhones, 1 Android phone, and 8 people who just have a phone.go on the train or a public place and look at the number of users of the different devices.
Closer inspection shows everyone of those 8 phones is running on Android but the users were unaware of this. This is why Android leads in market share, not because it is a better OS (although it might be, it's personal preference).
But Apple's market share of the type of people who sit on their phones constantly in stations will be enormous as they lead the way in high end smartphones and heavy users tend to buy more expensive phones.
This is why Android leads in market share, not because it is a better OS (although it might be, it's personal preference).
Agreed. All the fanboi/fandroid ramblings about which is the better OS rather misses the point that 90% of users don't know what an OS is.
(and don't live with their mums either)
@Drac - one of Apple's strengths is the free OS updates providing increased functionality and pro-longing the life of the device
Your right but even they stop in the end, it's now the turn of the original iPad to retire to the draw of power adapters from lost devices, spare Scart leads and forgot remotes.
The real sad thing about iOS maps, is that people are moaning about how much worse it is than the old iOS maps, which in itself had missed about 2 years worth of the latest mobile Google Maps features and was pretty poor.
Things like very high quality vector mapping (it is rendered as nicely as google maps tiles, but is vector based, so downloads really quick and can be rotated), 3d buildings, decent road and pedestrian navigation with turn by turn and live traffic information, download of map areas for offline use. All missing.
So you can see why Apple needed to do something about maps - it was glaringly bad in comparison with the full mobile Google maps. It is just sad that they appear to have done such a piecemeal job.
In fact looking at that list of new features that have come out in Google Maps vs. the new but poorly implemented features in Apple maps, it seems like they had exactly the same checklist of missing features that they needed, they just haven't had the development capability to pull it off yet.
I suspect that for iOS Google maps they'd paid Google to develop specific features (like image tile based maps, and static directions), and Apple just weren't willing to pay for Google to develop the newer features and thought they'd have a try at doing it themselves - doubt that it would be Google refusing them the chance to get those features, as given Google's monopoly on high quality online mapping, it'd be just begging for some kind of competition law complaint.
Your right be even they stop in the end...
Say what now?
Did you read the Grammer thread yesterday Jamie, that's an example there of my dyslexia coming through. 😀
Eh? Where? Not noticed this at all? Example?
Open a new tab on the ipad; keyboard appears (no space bar) and start typing, it goes straight into the address bar which then searches on virgin (or whatever). Used to open and type automatically into the search bar (google).
So I guess what I'd prefer is that phone OS retailers were forced to allow multiple different map tile providers for their map app.
Problem is that map providers are moving towards exposing the vector basis of their mapping rather than providing tiles (google has already on mobile, and is moving towards it on desktop, Apple is, I bet Bing, Yahoo etc. are considering it). Which means that a map layer is now a combination of a load of vector data, plus rendering software. Which is more complicated to switch about than just a load of pictures.
Open a new tab on the ipad; keyboard appears (no space bar) and start typing, it goes straight into the address bar
Hmm.. doesn't do that on the phone. New tab appears without the keyboard and you select address box or search box to start typing. I'll have a play on the pad tonight.
Which is more complicated to switch about than just a load of pictures.
Agreed - though still doable. Providers could provide their own rendering plug-in or a standard vector rendering format could be agreed.
Has anyone mentioned that the Garmin app has street view? Might be worth a look if you really need it.
I'm sticking with iOS5 for now.
Kelvin, which Garmin app, there are loads!
The eyebleedingly expensive ones.
The real sad thing about iOS maps, is that people are moaning about how much worse it is than the old iOS maps, which in itself had missed about 2 years worth of the latest mobile Google Maps features and was pretty poor....
I suspect that for iOS Google maps they'd paid Google to develop specific features (like image tile based maps, and static directions), and Apple just weren't willing to pay for Google to develop the newer features and thought they'd have a try at doing it themselves - doubt that it would be Google refusing them the chance to get those features, as given Google's monopoly on high quality online mapping, it'd be just begging for some kind of competition law complaint
We may never know if this is true but while it seems unlikely that Google wouldn't have wanted to sell Apple some decent mapping features, it also seems unlikley that Apple would hamper its phone sales in the short term for the sake of giving some cash to Google, even if it was developing its own solution in the long term. It is also pluasable that Google would withhold a decent maps implimentation from Apple to give Android a competive advantage, safe in the knowledge that Apple didn't have any option but to continue with the old crappy app and they wouldn't lose any seach traffic. The is supported by the fact that google aren't developing a standalone maps app for iOS.
Money talks afterall, hence why Apple still let Google pay handsomely to be the defualt serch provider for iOS safari. It is also unlikely that Google were paying Apple to be the defualt maps app and for You Tube to be iOS native, more likely the other way round.
The frustraiting thing for users is that in part this limiting of choice seems to be down to people's egos.
Did you read the Grammer thread yesterday Jamie, that's an example there of my dyslexia coming through
A grammar thread on STW? Of course I didn't read it.
Fair point.
My guess is that Apple wants to drive users to it's map service as the market for "recommendations" ie paid locations by restaurants etc is going to be very big business
The real sad thing about iOS maps, is that people are moaning about how much worse it is than the old iOS maps
I'm not. I think it's better
UPDATE
I'm in the middle of a journey from Teesport to Farnborough (about 280 miles) guided solely by iOS 6 maps. So far it's not put a pixel out of place. Can't fault it.
But yeah. I'm probbly some deranged fanboi. 🙄
I used apple maps to guide me home tonight too, you're not alone PP!
Worked perfectly fine, it rerouted quickly when I deviated from the planned route, and eta was accurate. Voice seems to be the "Daniel" one from tomtom.
For a free sat nav it is very good. Not better than the tomtom app but that costs £40+
How much data does it use though, downloading maps on the fly ?
Will this rift between apple and google mean that the one app I really want (google sketch up) will never happen? I would love to get this on the pad.....it will actually be useful and not just used to surf then.
On another note anyone know a good replacement YouTube app as the littleun is struggling to use the net to watch clips as the old built in app had a neat history function where he could easily get his favourite clips.
For a free sat nav it is very good. Not better than the tomtom app but that costs £40+
How does it compare to Waze or NavFree though, which are both free and work on pre-4S iPhones?
On another note anyone know a good replacement YouTube app
Have you tried the new YouTube app? History seems to work okay in that.
How much data does it use though, downloading maps on the fly ?
Probably not that much as the maps are vector based, not images. Seems to cache a fairly large area at a time ad far as I can tell (try switching on Airplane Mode then browsing the map).
peterpoddy, you are obviously easily satisfied - [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760978 ]Even Apple reckon it's pants[/url]
Oddly most of the criticism seems to be aimed at the 3D bit - which is hardly essential.
The example the Beeb give is laughable:
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[i]"One 3D-rendered image appears to show cars melted into the road's tarmac"[/i]
Are they really saying that not having an accurate 3D model of each car is a major flaw?? 😯
Does Google Maps have accurate 3D models of cars?
The issues with places being spelt incorrectly, roads missing and crap satellite views are far bigger issues IMHO.
Previously fanbois banged on about how stuff just worked, now they bang on about how you can just download an app to fix whatever has been been "forgotten".
(edited to add - posted from my iPad3)
WAHEY! Street View now available on maps.google.com on iOS
How does it compare to Waze or NavFree though, which are both free and work on pre-4S iPhones?
I dunno if its just my phone, but Navfree is awful. Really glitchy and just totally spazzes out half the time.
