Simple solution is to let the pharmacists pick and choose what they want to supply, but make it a condition of the right to fill NHS prescriptions that they supply the whole gamut or lose the NHS contract. If they don't want to do NHS work they can carry on with a selective service privately.
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Brilliant Hora!
Marxism - religion for atheists.
I thought it was Hi-Fi 😉
Zokes is spot on with his post...these guys must be non-judgemental, contraception is an arkward subject for teenagers both preventative and emergency..sure that a teenage lass who's bricking it about being pregnant needs some religious do-gooder tutting and huffing about supplying the morning after pill....THE PATIENTS NEEDS ARE PARAMOUNT!...keep your narrow minded views to your private life!
if i was confronted by such a catholic chemist denying me a service i would ask if that was why catholic priests preferred pre-pubescent sex partners as no contraception is required to prevent pregnancy
You could always try your local hospital......
Who have a pharmacy which will only fill prescriptions that were written in the hospital - you can't get any non-prescription drugs or get your doctor's prescriptions filled there. At least that's true for ours.
Joe
Or is there something essentially different about pharmacy as a profession than butchery, architecture and greengrocery?
Yes the bit about them providing medical assistance which is pretty critical to most people. Is it not inconceivable the person would leave the pharmacist ashamed and not go to another one?
does this mean I can stop cutting drunks out of cars or just leave druggies houses to burn as I don’t believe what they do is right?
Superb analogy - many of us do jobs where we have to be impartial as it is other peoples lives we are dealing with. I give IAG[Information Advice and Guidance] some of these people want to study theology or go to Islamic schools should I explain how to do this say I won’t help and tell them why they are wrong?
Interestingly in Catholic [ and most Muslims ]schools we are prevented from discussing anything to do with sexual health apart from abstinence and not doing it out of wedlock. If a young person asks us about condoms , morning after general contraception etc we HAVE to repeat some blurb about the school policy on no sex out of marriage and tell them we cannot advice them on this issue which makes many of pretty annoyed. I do not think we should give religious people special rights because they have a belief in a non proven entity.
It's such a shame that a free society needs such a lot of controlling.
Do you really believe that all catholics follow this (apparently) hard line? And Kimbers, it's a widely known fact that all catholics support paedophilia. Jesus wept, this is, in my opinion, a thread based on a bit of a non-story, which has quickly descended into an anti religion fest. Many of you are as fervent in your quest to prove the (non) existence of God as those you claim to be idiots for believing the opposite. At the end of the day, what does it really matter to you personally? How deeply are you affected by this? And hora, every time you bang one out, God kills a puppy. Just thought you should know 😉
Tis true though. I would have been thrown out of the army..
'Private hora what ARE you doing? STOP IT NOW' 😆
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How bizarre.
I'm currently waiting for God to make my cock fall off, being a catholic who uses condoms as contraception in my marital realtions with my wife.
Yeah, likes thats going to happen.
Shit, where's it gone??!!??
Jesus wept, this is, in my opinion, a thread based on a bit of a non-story,
Would it be a non-story if you were a very nervous 16 year old, whose older boyfriend succeeded in cajoling her into unprotected sex the previous night, and when she came to the pharmacist for discrete advice, was told: "I'm sorry, my religion tells me that extramarital sex is morally inappropriate, and I'm not going to help you because of my religious beliefs"
That'll certainly help the situation. Surely the whole reason governing bodies exist is to ensure patient care, not the exact opposite?
missingfrontallobe if he was working on a triage-method I think he'd be looking into Pedophile Priests first. You know, the sameones that tell you what to do with YOUR personal life.
"Shit, where's it gone??!!??" Told you so!
zokes - I called it 'a bit of' a non story. By this I meant that the problem with 'hard line' catholic pharmacists may or may not exist, it's just very unlikely to be a widespread problem.
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Yeah. I don't believe in getting my boots dirty.What next? Paramedic refusing go into a pig shed as its against his beliefs?
...or receive a Nobel prize for services to humanity 😉I should be up in front of the Hague now on multiple Genocide charges
I remember as a kid Woody Allen said you have a finite supply and it'll come out as dust. I spent the next few years furiously looking into this thinking (and always worrying straight after)
zokes - I called it 'a bit of' a non story. By this I meant that the problem with 'hard line' catholic pharmacists may or may not exist, it's just very unlikely to be a widespread problem.
It appears to be a problem with some muslim pharmacists in Bolton. The local rag gets hold of a story every now and then...
Widespread problem or not, it should exist at all. There is no need whatsoever. Religion should not interfere with patient health, end of.
I generally agree zokes - as a registered nurse, I have never allowed my own beliefs to compromise patient care. I was merely attempting to point out that (a) this isnt really a 'new' story, and (b) is highly unlikely to become a widespread practise.
*comment deleted due to the fact that i can't be ersed arguing with this cocked up world anymore, whats next, being refused on an aeroplane because the pilots amish*
I'm going to have to stop reading the news, it makes my head hurt.
So it's ok for a pharmacist to use their beleifs inappropiately but you're not allowed to refuse two men a room in your own B and B?
*scratches head*
There are loads of these sort of opt outs and that is only right. You have the right not to perform abortions if you don't want to - even as a theatre nurse you can leave the operating theatre for example. You do not have the right to tell someone it is wrong to have an abortion.
I had some devout muslim staff working for me in a nursing home - they did not want to serve alcohol to the residents. There is no way I could or should make them serve alcohol
Hora woody allen also said that dont know masturbation as at least it is sex with someone you love
Ziggy the first is not discrimination the second is. The pharmacist is not refusing to sell something because of what the [i] person [/i] is but because of what the product is
[chuckles at ziggy] 🙂
Analytically, the two situations are different. The pharmacist would refuse [i]anybody[/i] the morning after pill, the B&B owner only refuses bed and breakfast to homosexuals.
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My favourite woody quote:
Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer, sex raises some pretty interesting questions
Ziggy the first is not discrimination the second is. The pharmacist is not refusing to sell something because of what the person is but because of what the product is
However, they are using their mis-judged morals to the possible detriment of the patient - possibly quite worse than discrimination in the case I laid out above.
I'm sorry TS, but your post goes against my religion, so I'm going to have to report it...
Actually, you can (get the MAP from Tesco)
I had some devout muslim staff working for me in a nursing home - they did not want to serve alcohol to the residents. There is no way I could or should make them serve alcohol
does this mean i can stop cutting drunks out of cars or just leave druggies houses to burn as i dont believe what they do is right?
Actually, neither of those situations is analogous to the self-employed pharmacist. If you're an employee and you sign up for a job that by its nature involves serving alcohol or cutting drunks out of cars (or, for that matter, a Muslim butcher that works at a pork processing plant) then tough shit - you shouldn't have taken the job in the first place and you can either do it, or stand up for your beliefs and **** off.
On the other hand, if you were, for instance, a self-employed towtruck driver who refused to work for pissheads that had crashed their car, or ran a catering business that didn't do events that served alcohol - well, that's your problem. Same with the pharmacists: if they want to miss out on the business, that's their problem.
these guys must be non-judgemental, contraception is an arkward subject for teenagers both preventative and emergency..sure that a teenage lass who's bricking it about being pregnant needs some religious do-gooder tutting and huffing about supplying the morning after pill
Is tutting and huffing what's going to happen? Or would the pharmacist just say "sorry, I don't sell contraception, you'll need Smith's down the road"?
I'm with Ziggy on this, I am almost tempted to go into the chemists in question to get some condoms & say its my religious belief that I have to wear condoms & they are discriminating against me... total madness, one rule for one etc etc.
I have never read the Daily Mail but I think I may start if this constant duality persists....
Stop persecuting the majority for the lunatic fringe!
Is tutting and huffing what's going to happen?
IME, those devout (read foolish) enough to allow their religious beliefs to affect others, are also more than pious enough to 'tut and huff' about the situation that a vulnerable teenage girl may find herself in. To someone in such a precarious position, such tutting may be seen as a tacit view that she should be ashamed of herself. As such, she may decide not to seek out emergency contraception anywhere else, fearing further 'moral' judgements. Worse, she may not tell her parents about the situation for an increased fear of the same 'moral' judging, until it becomes blatantly obvious she's had unprotected sex three months too late...
What next? Paramedic refusing go into a pig shed as its against his beliefs?
..or a b&b refusing to take a couple of gays because it goes against the beliefs of the homeowner?
Given that every sperm is sacred, surely that outlaws bonking as well as <ahem> self fulfillment. I mean at the absolute best every bonk represents untold millions of the little fellas being wiped out (sorry poor turn of phrase). At the very best only a handful will survive the journey.
So the message to all religious wallers must surely be the "Lord says that shalt not bonk its mass murder".........that should sort the whole issue out fairly quickly!
IME...
Do you have any experience of Catholic pharmacists refusing to sell morning after?
Does anyone? Has there been a documented case of this or is it entirely hypothetical so far?
I have plenty of experience of pious catholics, and I guess some of pharmacists too. It doesn't take much to work out what the two could be like when combined.
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These are just the people that come forwards about it. Is a frightened teenager likely to do that?
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Both of the pharmacists you mention were employees of chain stores. They should both have been sacked by their employer for refusing to dispense emergency contraception.
They should both have been sacked by their employer for refusing to dispense emergency contraception.
Unfortunately, given the de facto backing of their stance by their governing body, can you see a dismissal getting past the cry of discrimination on grounds of religion?