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No conflict MSP. the blogger asked people to treat others without hate even if they consider them wrong. He never said that they had to change their mind. Thinking that being gay is wrong doesn't mean you have to be nasty to gay people.
I soemtimes wonder what the rationalist,evidence based view on homosexuality is now compared to what it was, say 50 and 150 years ago? 😉
Yesterday on Box Hill during my 30k walk, I encountered a guy, 30-ish, carrying a big crucifix and accompanied by a boy of about 10 carrying a small basket, both dressed in scarlet t-shirts. I was going to pass by without comment (feeling in a generous mood) but they stopped in front of me and the boy offered up his basket of chocolate eggs and said "Happy Easter", which seemed to require a response. The conversation went like this:
Me: "You are both wasting your lives on a superstition" (carried on walking past).
Older guy (to my back): "Oh well. Peace to you anyway...".
Me: (Stopped, turned): "Did I ask you for that?"
Him (boy stock still with a look of shock on his face): "What?"
Me: "What you just said. Did I ask you for that?"
Him: "Well, no...".
Me: "In that case, keep your unsolicited comments to yourself in future. You might want to think about that."
I turned and walked off, expecting another rejoinder, but none was forthcoming. I was ready to point out that he was using a child to pimp for his ludicrous cult and that IMHO he should be arrested.
Hopefully, the kid will now be asking a series of awkward questions, if the seed has, you know, fallen on rich ground...
Peace! 😉
MSP - Member
"A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble"Mahatma Gandhi
"Hatred ever kills, love never dies; such is the vast difference between the two.
What is obtained by love is retained for all time. What is obtained by hatred proves
a burden in reality for it increases hatred."
Mahatma Gandhi
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if you're not just trolling, you're really quite a bitter, nasty old man Woppit.
"Religion poisons everything." Chris Hitchens.
"hate poisons everything"
clubber
clubber - Memberif you're not trolling, you're really quite a bitter, nasty old man Woppit.
Interesting response. I take it you're quite happy with the Indoctrination of children into religious dogma, then?
You evidently don't know much about my views. My comment still stands.
Oh. O.K. What are your views?
fundamentally probably not dissimilar to yours though I'd hope without the nastiness.
Oh well.
Now woppits arrived, its pointless trying to explain my viewpoint any further.
Crikey. I have the power... 😆
You have the power to stifle discussion and debate, just like your religious heroes, you must be so proud to emulate them so strongly.
I notice it didn't stifle you, though. Where on earth did you get the idea that I have "religious heroes"?
I'm not the slightest bit proud. Just grateful.
Well the reasonable debate has ended with your arrival, so that has been stifled.
Where on earth did you get the idea that I have "religious heroes"?
Whoosh! I thought that was quite obvious to be honest.
Mr Wopppit
A trifle rude in your dealings with friendly children.
Ever heard of tolerance?
And you don't need religion to be filled with hate
Not really. I am not religious and do not admire anyone for the sake of their religiosity. I would have thought that was obvious.
I think you're being perfectly reasonable, BTW...
Back to the subject then, some of those lovely, tolerant religious types and what they are doing:
Bigotry is wrong,hatred ain't too clever either whether it be from or directed at a parishoner , a punk or a bearded single speeder.
*Hating Orange 5s is clearly acceptable though hating their riders isn't
just ban believing in god, dispose of the religious in big camps.. every one will be happy, they will get to see there magic sky wizard a little sooner than they expected and the rest of the human race can build a more productive planet.
just ban believing in god
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Bigotry is wrong,hatred ain't too clever either whether it be from or directed at a parishoner , a punk or a bearded single speeder.
Or indeed a small child who's offering you chocolate 🙄
Or indeed a small child who's offering you chocolate
In the company of their parent..
Jesus!(see what i did there?)Have we all become that alienated and suspicious that a gift from a stranger is treated with such contempt?
Now offering choclate to children you don't know in the woods is somewhat more problematic...
Mr Woppit, did you not treat that man and child in the same way religious people treat gay people ?
Bazzer
No.
****Hating Orange 5s is clearly acceptable
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bazzer - MemberMr Woppit, did you not treat that man and child in the same way SOME religious people treat gay people ?
Bazzer
Woppit - what with those two on box hill, and the four outside surbiton station that you mentioned on the 'we christians' thread, you seem to be attracting religious folk like some kind of jeebus magnet. My heart goes out to you, it really does, I dont know how you cope. 🙂
Are you suggesting woppit is telling parables?
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Your right nick1962 you did indeed fix that for me. SOME religious people is correct.
Perhaps Mr Woppit is in fact a closet Christian but too afraid to come out ,hence these stories of his extolling his rabid atheism 🙂
It's the pantyhose.
Nice link Cougar interesting but I assume much mor eof a USA issue thna here tbh
Your views on gay marriage would never be a huge issue her elike it is in the US of A
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"Fact is - if you believe in the bible you also have to believe that being gay is wrong
I feel a bit uncomfortable with this statement. Clearly there are loads of Christians who aren't homophobic. Are you saying that they can't be a Christian unless they are homophobic? I don't think that's a healthy point of view. I'd rather the church evolved with the views of these people influencing it tbh
Yes you are right many christinas don’t follow the word of god and pick and choose which bits they like and will follow. That does not really escape the fact the bible is unequivocal about it being an abomination and putting them to death/cast them out etc.
The word of god cannot “evolve” as it is the word of god an a universal truth for all time....assuming you believe of course.
if you're not just trolling, you're really quite a bitter, nasty old man Woppit.
Aye what was the point he now just thinks you are a **** and you persecuted him for his faith.
Cougar - thanks for posting both links.
Well worth the read and very thought provoking.
What a load of drivel the first bloke spouts the one with a son, who has one gay freind and he himself isnt gay.
The lady in the responce who says she would be ashamed to have a gay son, should just accept it, or move on,sadly a lot of family units split up because a member of the family turns out gay, its got nothing to with up bringing etc,she needs to sit and think the trauma her son may be going through.
While so called christians are allowed to dip into the big book of rules and choose which ones there going to obey when it suiits them, just perhaps they can tipex out the one that says same sex relationships is wrong.
Just shows you how hypocritical these god botherer's are, who knows what her son would of done if she had spurned him.
In response to the last two posts - tolerance, love and understanding should be the main tenets of religion, but sadly, in some cases, they're not. Equally, they should also be (in my humble opinion), a key part of anyones life, regardless of religion or not. Again, sadly, for some people, they're not.
As ever, I take objection to the 'god botherers' stuff that gets posted on threads such as this, but it's nothing new, and completely pointless trying to argue against. I have a gay son, who I love to bits and am so proud of, words fail me. I'm also a Catholic. Sorry if that doesnt fit in with your preconceptions, and sorry that I've talked about this in previous posts, but lets not let that get in the way of selective bias, eh?
What preconceptions? think your the one with preconceptions about some of our comments.
While so called christians are allowed to dip into the big book of rules and choose which ones there going to obey when it suiits them, just perhaps they can tipex out the one that says same sex relationships is wrong.
Just shows you how hypocritical these god botherer's are
Well, these two for a start, and your comments are there for all to see, so how can I have preconceptions about them?
Nothing preconceived about my comments, I read the OP's link and think the gay teenagers mother was very offensive and outspoken about her views and beliefs, does that not constitute a god botherer.
I believe your comment was 'these god botherers'. Not all religious people think like she does, so why tar everyone with the same brush?
"These" meaning the ones who have the overt views against gay people! And anyone who tries to flaunt push their religious views on anyone else.
If you had perhaps used the term '[u]some[/u] of these god botherers', I would have agreed with you...