[Closed] If Scotland vote no...

Don't jinx it, they may just vote yes!

That ship has sailed I would have thought. No vote will bury independence for generations.

I hope not, if they vote no we should be looking at selling off the parliment buildings for top end flats and stop wasting money on another layer of useless politicians.

See, i fear different. A no vote will not be the end of it, the Nats won't stop & a narrow defeat will just cause rancour & bitterness for years. If they vote no we will have to deal with the angry Nats, if they vote yes the angry Unionists won't be our problem!
Ultimately, i honestly believe the UK will be better off in the long term should Scotland leave.

A 'no' vote will mean being shat upon by those "dan Sath" for years!

I just hope we have the balls to avoid that and make this leap of faith.

If they vote No then I'll be happy as I won't have to show my passport at Carter Bar. (Like some Japanese tourists were coerced into doing a few years ago, for charity)

We could be your problem muddy, if we seek asylum. 🙂

Depends, a close no vote will result in devo max I reckon. Salmond will be content with a drip drip route to independence.

any issue where there is a huge swelling of opinion leads to years of rancour

See EU for the UK for example

So what would devo max look like? Scotland's own income, vat and local taxes, a SHS rather than an NHS? What else?

I hope they vote yes then we can move thousands of jobs and defence facilities down south to England.

If all parties AND The Bank of England all agree. Doesnt that tell you something?

Want out? Bye Greece of the North.

I is disappoint no plastic was involved in this insight Hora

Deep as always

Support for devo max does seem significant, just can't see an easy mechanism for tabling it after the yes vote gets tanned this September.

If that's what the people want, though, then it would be foolish to stand in their way - a solution would have to be found.

Want out? Bye Greece of the North.

Your opinion on Scottish independence carries about as much weight as Stevie Wonder's on interior design

Stop taking it so personally! 😉

doubt it tbh, a no vote will be a no vote I reckon.

So if Scotland can't use the pound, will they set up the Scottish Drachma instead?

Pound Scots surely

Well there isn't an automatic re-vote in 2015. At the current rate of progress I don't think it will be close, 70% No I'd guess at.

We'll find out in 6 months time!

Is there any reason why BP carwash tokens couldn't be used?

Don't know about Devo Max, but the Emarald is meant to be dam good according to Steve Jones. But he just talks a load of chuff apparently. I thought pikes were the way to go. I don't have a tapered steerer and I'm not super enduro enough, so don't really know.

Please vote no Scotland..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10648238/Labour-oppose-Scottish-independence-because-they-fear-losing-power-in-Westminster.html

pretty please.

Devo max probably means a federal UK and parallel parliaments for the other UK nations at a similar state of maturity for similar devo max arrangements

But increased powers after a "no" vote will happen

Count Z
We could just revert to the Mary of Scotland shilling 😉

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The currency issue is frankly a load of balls...
We had scottish pound notes before ..use cu... Wouldnt accept them then.... Who cares if we lose sterling off the end..just link it 1 to 1 with sterling ..sorted..
Ps ..hora u got a big garden ....because scotland might need you to store a load of nuclear missiles and a sub or two ...

Will save us all a shit load of money if they vote 'no'; with the bonus of not getting confused with Scottish and rUK Nectar Points exchange rates.

Stuarty many docks/areas south of the border crying out for the work.

If they vote no will these threads stop?
Will they be replaced by pages of it was a fix and conspiracy crap?

Will Alex Haddock **** off?

If they vote no, I'd like to see Cameron grow a pair and take some powers back from the SNP

No hora, but he will if we vote yes

Camoron grow a pair - lol
The whole corrupt elected and unelected shower in Westminster need a severe kick up the rear and if Scottish independence is the way to go about it then bring it on.

I love Hora.

Honestly nobody really can guess what'll happen after a no vote. Yes there's southern sabre rattling about binning the barnett formula etc but I don't think anyone's still stupid enough to think that anything a westminster politician says today bears the slightest relevance to what will happen tomorrow.

The current government, we know, will take the tiniest victory as being carte blanche to do whatever they want as if they got an overwhelming win, so there's that random factor too.

I love Hora.

No you don't 😉
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yS are already working on their "contingency plans" - 2029 for the next vote according to sturgeon.

We had scottish pound notes before ..use cu... Wouldnt accept them then.... Who cares if we lose sterling off the end..just link it 1 to 1 with sterling ..sorted..

An epic demonstration of why we should vote no. Issuing notes doesn't actually mean it's a different currency. A different picture on it yes but that's all. It's somewhat more complex than just deciding to start up a new currency and peg it to the GBP

An epic demonstration of why we should vote no. Issuing notes doesn't actually mean it's a different currency. A different picture on it yes but that's all. It's somewhat more complex than just deciding to start up a new currency and peg it to the GBP

One guys opinion on an internet forum is an 'epic demonstration of why we should vote no'???

Behave.

The best thing about a no vote will be Scottish people going back to being as irrelevant as people from Cornwall. Scotland is a great place, it is just a shame about the people.

In Scotland they blame England, In England they blame Scotland.

Why doe the English car if the Scots go Independent, OIL.

if they go intendant Scotland with have to accept that if it fails they cannot blaim anyone but themselfs. Idf it succeeds there is nothing for them to loose, either way appart from Oil and Docks with a greater cappacity for work england has nothing to loose either way.

Indapendace isn't about alex salmond and anyone who thinks that is an idiot. its about getting the ability to vote in a parlament that is closer and more insync with the surrounding area.

Cammoroan should have a debate with salmond or not have a say.

Why doe the English car if the Scots go Independent, OIL.

mikewsmith - Member

Really? Who says all the oil is Scottish.

Nobody. Just the huge majority of it is.

You want to be careful with it too, WMD's + Oil and the Americans might come looking!

There is a lot more to the debate than oil and an anti-English sentiment though.

Fair point that, at the moment we have WMDs which is fine, it's only when you actually have none that the Americans claim you do then invade isn't it.

Btw it wasnt an anti English statment im undecided on the split and it doesnt matter what I think as I don@t have a vote as I live in england.

The facts of the matter are that the majority of British oil rigs are in Scottish water,if they go indapendant even if the oil becomes English they will still need to access it through Scottish waters.

On the NATO front, why? do the english not want to store it on there own land?

And as for EU, England wee recently trying to op out of it. there argument against is to stay in it, Make up there mind why dont they.

Devo max is Salmond's objective.

fasternotfatter - Member
The best thing about a no vote will be Scottish people going back to being as irrelevant as people from Cornwall. Scotland is a great place, it is just a shame about the people."

S'funny,but these threads always contain lots of claims of anti English sentiment,yet [b]every[/b] thread we always get a few quotes like the above.
After the last no vote in the 70's Scotland's budget was squeezed so tight that the then Scottish sec George Younger had to go to Westminster as he didn't have enough money to run both schools and hospitals. After a no vote Cameron will go after anything auntie mags missed. It isn't just things such as not building Hora's new penis extension on the Clyde,it is stuff like trading oil seed rape quotas for fish quotas like Westminster did with Spain.More decisions like the ongoing attempt to suggest HS2 is of national importance and as such is exempt from barnett will appear. A poll of voters who vote no would be quite interesting 2 years from now,I would be willing to bet the result would be different.

Aye, just as well most of us can rise above drivel like that.

Can this thread be merged with the other, epic indie Scotland thread?

Failing that, can it secede from the chat forum?

Can this thread be merged with the other, epic indie Scotland thread?

Failing that, can it secede from the chat forum?

Lock all threads and keep the one? Easier for the mods. Plus any pro-yes trolling should continue to be met by no-trolling back

Meanwhile, in the Ukraine....

The best thing about a no vote will be Scottish people going back to being as irrelevant as people from Cornwall. Scotland is a great place, it is just a shame about the people.

I was mildly amused by this until I worked out that you're probably from Manchester, which just made it a bit tragic 🙁

stuarty - Member
The currency issue is frankly a load of balls...
We had scottish pound notes before ..use cu... Wouldnt accept them then.... Who cares if we lose sterling off the end..just link it 1 to 1 with sterling ..sorted..

Plenty of reasons why that can't work. For one, you can't really call it independance if another country is setting your interest rates and QE. It would be like joining the Euro, except you wouldn't get any vote in how the currency is controlled.

eamhurtmore - Member

Meanwhile, in the Ukraine....

Meanwhile, in [s]the [/s]Ukraine....

Mr Camerons friend Putin lines his tanks up near the border

He's just a big Crimeanie.

IGMC

One guys opinion on an internet forum is an 'epic demonstration of why we should vote no'???

Behave.

My point was more that simplistic things like this are what worries me. And yes, I will be living with the consequences.

Mr Camerons friend Putin lines his tanks up near the border

For one, you can't really call it independance if another country is setting your interest rates and QE. It would be like joining the Euro, except you wouldn't get any vote in how the currency is controlled.

You can call it independ[b]e[/b]nce though 😉

This was done to death in the other thread. Try telling any of the countries using the Euro that they're not independent.

Try telling Transnistria it's totally independent because it has its own currency!

Yes, Scotland will be just like Transnistria.

This was done to death in the other thread. Try telling any of the countries using the Euro that they're not independent.

They don't look fully independent to me. None of them.

But that's not that big a deal. Too much interaction, co-operation, compliance in order to get along required for modern trading states. But it's far more so within the Eurozone.

Yes, Scotland will be just like Transnistria.

Don't set their aspirations too high now, it will only lead to disappointment and tantrums before tea time....

yS are already working on their "contingency plans" - 2029 for the next vote according to sturgeon.

Shame they don't put the same effort into contingency planning for more immediate issues like currency.

I was in London recently so stashed £10k on my Oyster Card. Just in case likes.

yS are already working on their "contingency plans" - 2029 for the next vote according to sturgeon

Waiting till the oil runs out then 😉

I wonder if rUK mortgage lenders would still lend against properties in Scotland, or even honour existing mortgages.

footflaps - Member

Don't set their aspirations too high now

😆

Try telling any of the countries using the Euro that they're not independent.

Rather than telling them anything, we could simply listen to what they are saying....

In European countries that are already suffering economically, the political backlash against the EU and the euro is already rising. The EU’s own polls show the popularity of the union plummeting in core countries such as France, Italy and Spain......The results of the European elections in May are likely to be a shock, with anti-European or borderline racist parties, such as the French National Front, winning or coming close to victory in France, the Netherlands, Greece, the UK and Austria.

FT 28 Feb 2014

Ah, another STW Scotland bashing thread. Great stuff.
Some of you lot really are utter ****s.

To answer the the original question and ignoring THM, yes, I suspect there will be push for Devo Max from the SNP and possibility other parties. I can't see anything moving very fast on that front though.

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How did it work out for Scotland the last time it failed to grasp the opportunity for a greater measure of self-determination, at a time when an unelectable Labour opposition gave the Tories a free hand to do what they liked?

Oh aye, the 80s. A halcyon era of being royally shat upon, topped off with the poll tax experiment which was not inflicted on England.

You would hope the Scottish Parliament would act as a buffer against their worst excesses, but the vengeful sabre-rattling noises are already being made on the back benches for the ungrateful subsidy junkies north of the border.

Any no voters who think they're opting for "the status quo" are either very young or have short memories.

Oh aye, the 80s. A halcyon era of being royally shat upon, topped off with the poll tax experiment which was not inflicted on England.

To be fair we all got the Poll tax eventually. I even ended up in court for refusing to pay, as a student in Reading at the time....

Genuine question but if they get independence then are there likely to be any immigration controls between people moving north or south?

Also what about shared services like the army/royal mail/NHS etc? I know there is some seperation in the NHS already but there must be a large shared percentage still?

Genuine question but if they get independence then are there likely to be any immigration controls between people moving north or south?

No

Perhaps we just keep a lookout for people in Celtic football shirts and shoot them as they cross the border? 😛

muddydwarf - Member

Perhaps we just keep a lookout for people in Celtic football shirts and shoot them as they cross the border?

Lets introduce that in Scotland too, win win.

Shooting people! Because they wear a particular football shirt! Ha-ha!

Maybe we could send them some bombs in the post while we're at it.

Some absolutely cutting-edge humour in this thread, guys. Give yourselves a pat on the back.

Interesting use of "us", "them", and "they" on the forum today.

I'm not saying this as a chippy Scot, but genuinely until now, I hadn't realised that this kind of assumption about where a poster might reside was present on STW.

Its kinda like the way Redditors assume you're US-based.

I'm not disappointed, as I say- just an observation.

How did it work out for Scotland the last time it failed to grasp the opportunity for a greater measure of self-determination, at a time when an unelectable Labour opposition gave the Tories a free hand to do what they liked?

Before the '79 referendum, there were stories in the newspapers that voting yes to devolution would mean the end of the shipyards and heavy industry, and the coal mines would close.

They closed anyway.

Before the '97 referendum, various Scottish-based financial institutions - including Standard Life - said that they might have to leave after devolution.

They didn't.