[Closed] iDave diet:Alternatives to passata?

I thought tomatoes were in?

No hang on, they are out.

No in,

No out.

It seems to change from day to day.

You don't put custard on tomatoes = in

Oh bollocks [url= http://www.shesimmers.com/2011/05/baked-tomatoes-with-custard-filling.html ]http://www.shesimmers.com/2011/05/baked-tomatoes-with-custard-filling.html[/url]

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I've been using passata. I was under the impression tomatoes were in.

Tomatoes have a GI of 15 according to this list

http://www.the-gi-diet.org/lowgifoods/

Do tomatoes go with custard ?

Tomatoes are fruit, fruit is out 😆

I've not been following it, only read some info from a year ago, so maybe things have changed since?!

I say tomatoes are in, I eat them and I am thin.

Kev

Do tomatoes go with custard ?

Yes.

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Basically if it derives from a flower and contains seeds it's a fruit botanically speaking, irrespective of it's GI value or sugary badness.

So if tomtatoes are counted as an iFruit then that also rules out many things we conversationally call vegetables such as squashes, pumpkins, courgettes, cucumbers, peas, beans, aubergine, and sweet peppers....

....leaves your list of "things I can eat" looking a bit sparse doesn't it ?

I'd say that tomatoes are in because the custard above is [b]in[/b] rather than [b]on [/b] them.

I'd say "no-one ever got fat by having too many tomatoes in their diet" 😀

as long as they aren't filled with custard!

Tomatoes are fruit, fruit is out

No they're not. The custard rule trumps any botanical silliness.

Having read that it's not really custard, since it's just a mixture of eggs and cream, more of tomatoes filled with omelette.

If your just going to choose to ignore the rules you don't like, why not be done with it and move to France!

**** it then, tomatoes are in! 🙂

You are what you eat.

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[i]If your just going to choose to ignore the rules you don't like, why not be done with it and move to France![/i]

is molgrips in France?

Kev

it's not really custard, since it's just a mixture of eggs and cream

That's what custard is...

What are you doing putting tomatoes in chilli? It is supposed to be chilli, not spicy bolognese.

Use beef stock.

is molgrips in France?

Heh.

I like spicy bolognaise!

I like spicy bolognaise!

As you were then.

Seriously... Try it with no tomatoes (or just a small ammount if you must), use beef stock instead, loads of kidney beans (I use two tins per 500g of mince), plenty of chilli powder, paprika, black pepper, then a couple of pieces of dark chocolate (80% cocoa stuff), right at the end of cooking.

Bloody luvverly it is.

The iDiet uses the culinary definition of fruit, not the botanical one.

The culinary definition I presume stems from how sweet they are and hence how much sugar there is.. so it makes sense really.

Tomatoes, squash, courgettes, pumpkin - all in.

Although the thing that stops me eating pasta sauces isn't the tomatoes, it's the lack of pasta. So rather than try and find a substitute for pasta I just don't eat pasta dishes.

Stuey01, I always use beef stock, never used chocolate though. Usually chuck some of the vinegar from the red jalapenos and sweetner to take the edge off the tomatoes.

The chocolate gives a really nice smoothness, without reducing the spicyness. It does add a certain something - I recommend.

Thanks molgrips, loads of suitable Morroccan and curry dishes contain tomatoes, so glad to hear they are in.

Going to have a crack at the iDiet from Monday. Will try to stick to it strictly for a month so trying to come up with recipes, etc this week.

I take it stuff like tomato sauce (ketchup) and BBQ sauce is out due to the high sugar content, or is it OK in small quantities?

Also, nuts and seeds, yay or nay? can't find any mention of them in any threads.

loads of suitable Morroccan

Recipes? Love moroccan food.

I read that as alternatives to pasta... Was about to suggest quinoa.

Nutella is nice in chilli.

I take it stuff like tomato sauce (ketchup) and BBQ sauce is out due to the high sugar content, or is it OK in small quantities?

Also, nuts and seeds, yay or nay? can't find any mention of them in any threads.

Ketchup etc out.

Nuts ok as a small snack.

Seeds, dunno.

Certain fruit - tomatoes, olives, and I think, Avocado are OK on the iDiet.

I have had a lot of success with the plan, I went for a low weekly weight loss and I'm happy with what I can eat.

I have sugar in coffee, I have sauce on my bacon and eggs, and I have Branston Baked Beans.

Find out what works for you. If you hate the food you're eating you won't stick at it will you?

just out of interest, what is the sweetest food allowed?

i'm guesing either tomato, red peppers or beetroot or something?

Kev

I live in France & I eat tomatoes. Lost 12kg so far....

Why not substitute the tomatoes? Say for......Lobsters?

If you're craving something sweet, especially after meals, try cleaning your teeth or even better chewing some gum.

[i]or even better chewing some gum[/i]

sugar free gum. drinking carbonated water also hits the spot.

Kev

Also, nuts and seeds, yay or nay? can't find any mention of them in any threads

Nuts and seeds are IN, but go easy because they have a lot of calories in. They are however extremely good for you.

Sugar free gum - beware, the sweet taste and sweetners can stimulate insulin production as if you had eaten sugar.

Tea is good for me for removing hunger and sweet cravings. Also water. A drink of water is almost as good as a sugary drink. Doens't work if you are proper hungry though of course.

just out of interest, what is the sweetest food allowed?

After a while on the diet, you will begin to appreciate the sweetness in green beans, carrots and even broccoli. They will become your sweet foods and you will look forward to them 🙂

Sugar free gum - beware, the sweet taste and sweetners can stimulate insulin production as if you had eaten sugar.

Really? I was under the impression artificial sweeteners had no influence on blood sugar

http://www.aspartame.info/info/faqs.html

Aspartame has no carbohydrates, which means that it does not affect blood glucose levels and has no GI rating

[b]Tea is good for me for removing hunger[/b] and sweet cravings. Also water. A drink of water is almost as good as a sugary drink. Doens't work if you are proper hungry though of course.

I thought the whole point of this, as opposed to calorie restriction, is that there is no hunger cravings?

Jamie - you won't (in theory) be hungry if you eat enough. You can still end up not eating enough. However for me I simply cannot eat enough beans and veg to get the carbs to make me feel full, sometimes. Esp if exercising hard.

At first the cravings were far easier to manage than with calorie restriction, but now it's getting harder for some reason.

Re sweetners - there is no sugar to enter your blood, but I have read that it still fools your system into producing insulin.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/artificial-sweeteners-insulin/#axzz1j4m8Idlw

Remember there's also a psychogical effect here. Just learn to deal without the sweet stuff. Sweet food is like fags.

Is something like diet coke or other sugar-free fizzy pop ok for an alternative sweetness kick on the iDave diet?
I know its not really that healthy overall, but was wondering about it as a possible "pudding replacement".

I've got a good pudding replacement for you, it's called MTFU.

I have eight puddings on my day off

I've got a good pudding replacement for you, it's called MTFU.

Can you have custard on that?

MG thanks.
How about Mars Bars, they ok?

[i]Nuts and seeds are IN, but go easy because they have a lot of calories in. [b]They are however extremely good for you[/b].[/i]

Ooo !. That made me wince.
**omega 6 content**
Nuts are a bit of a double edged sword and not all nuts are created equal.
Look at this place for example...

[i]I've got a good pudding replacement for you, it's called MTFU.[/i]

Yeah, desert / pudding.
The creation of people who want to sell you another course.
You've had your dinner, then Blamo !, hit your system with a psunami of sugar, just to finally finish you off.
No, you don't need desert.

[i]Can [s]you[/s] [b]I[/b] have custard on that? [/i]
FTFY
Knock yourself out kiddo.
😉

Molgrips.

Hey, ^^^^ you posted a link to MDA.
I thought you didn't believe any of that evolutionary rubbish...

Turkish Delight.

Without custard of course.

Has anyone tried the butternut squash spaghetti yet ?.

Has anyone tried the butternut squash spaghetti yet ?.

Has anyone tried the butternut squash spaghetti yet ?.

Funnily enough, no.

[i]Funnily enough, no.[/i]

You mean that you haven't and you think thats funny...

Right ?.

You mean that you haven't and you think thats funny...

Funny-haha? No.

[i]Funny-haha? No.

[/i]

Err...Is confused now.

Think I'll opt for the.
No, you haven't tried the butternut squash pasta.

So, fat boy.
Waht yooouuuuu gonna do about that !.

Ah right Solo, I get you...you're obviously in one of your bad moods today. I'm not getting into one with you this evening matey. Have a spat with someone else if it makes you feel better.

So, fat boy.

You're really a nice guy underneath it all I'm sure.

[i]You're really a nice guy underneath it all I'm sure.

[/i]

Errr. Many moons ago, you called me "Chubby".
On this ere very forum, [i]matey[/i]

And, I thought we had it down that we could be a little [i]knock around[/i]
But if you're feeling a bit sensitive today petal, then I take it back baby. (something you never did, so whos the nice person now ?)
xx

Errr. Many moons ago, you called me "Chubby".

In an entirely different context. But I commend your elephantine memory - you're clearly still smarting a bit from your last attempt to have a go.

But if you're feeling a bit sensitive today petal, then I take it back baby.

Ah right, [i]that[/i] defence.

Lighten up Solo. Jeez.

[i]In an entirely different context. But I commend your elephantine memory - you're clearly still smarting a bit from your last attempt to have a go.

[/i]
Bllx, I'm not that [i]complex[/i] or patient.
simple, you've just been had my son !.
You're very sensitive today.

So, you gonna try the squash pasta ?.
**assumes DD can cook**

I think someone needs some carbs.

[i]I think someone needs some carbs.

[/i]
😆

Don't get any of that custard in your apple.

I thought you didn't believe any of that evolutionary rubbish..

I don't believe that we need to aim for what paeleolithic people ate. I do however think MDA is a good site and that his diet is good.

It's all black and white with you, isn't it? 🙂 Btw darcy's post was a joke based on the fact that butternut squash spaghetti sound disgusting.

Bllx, I'm not that complex or patient.

You're certainly not complex, I'll give you that much matey. As for your patience, I think we got through to the depths of that the last time...it was fun but you didn't last long.

you've just been had my son !

Less of your dodgy fantasies Solo. That's just a bit weird.

So, you gonna try the squash pasta ?.

Funnily enough, no. 🙂

EDIT: I seem to recall a few posts back saying "I'm not about to get into this with you". 🙄 I need to get on and cook my supper.

****ing hell, this has gone too far. Fair enough, eating lots of sweets and choccies makes you fat, but worrying about whether to eat a tomato or not? Its a natural product, get it down yer!

[i]I don't believe that we need to aim for what paeleolithic people ate[/i]
Phew !, I'm glad for that.
However, paying attention to what our digestive systems have evolved into, to make use of certain foods.
Might be worth while.
Which is not to be confused with what a our digestive systems can tolerate, during our abuse of the term "Food".

[i]I do however think MDA is a good site and that his diet is good.[/i]
What, including the fruit ?.

[i]You're certainly not complex, I'll give you that much matey. As for your patience, I think we got through to the depths of that the last time...it was fun but you didn't last long. [/i]

How obvious is that ?.
I think I like you DD, you amuse me.
Especially as you are absolutely rubbish at disguising your irritation.
Or, perhaps thats deliberate on the basis that you class me as sub-human and inferior to you in every respect.
Yeah, thats probably it.
You and Middle-Class-Molgrips make a formidable pair.

[i]Its a natural product, get it down yer[/i]

Elephant dung may be a natural product.
Don't see many people rushing to get a gob full of that...

Anyway, the tomato thing has been answered often enough.
Infact so often that raising said question anymore, might be considered to be... Trolling ?.
No doubt about it, these infernal diet threads have become a beast on here.

I think I like you DD, you amuse me.
Especially as you are absolutely rubbish at disguising your irritation.
Or, perhaps thats deliberate on the basis that you class me as sub-human and inferior to you in every respect.
Yeah, thats probably it.
You and Middle-Class-Molgrips make a formidable pair.

Sub-human? Inferior?

Jeez, lighten up Solo. Or have an early day off or something. 😆

Elephant dung may be a natural product.
Don't see many people rushing to get a gob full of that...

Yeah, cos it tastes of shite!

And the vitamin count probably isnt too high either.

I do however think MDA is a good site and that his diet is good.
What, including the fruit ?

Yep. There's more than one 'good' diet out there, depending on your requirements. MDA isn't a weight loss site afaik.

Yeah, cos it tastes of shite!

Not with a nice passata based sauce

[i]Jeez, lighten up Solo[/i]

I have. Was 85 Kg, now 78Kg.
8)

But also as you intend.
Consider, for a moment, my propensity for flaming, should I think the victim deserves it.
Then consider that at the time you made your "chubby" remark, I totally let it slide.
And still would have, if you hadn't been so tetchy.
I think you need to lighten up.
Go back and read the posts, you're the one who got stroppy mate.
Anyway, have a glass of red.
None taken, for my part.
😀

Me ?, I'm off to the gym now.
Then tomorrow, its off to a luxury hotel in the countryside for more pleasant relaxedness.

Elephant dung may be a natural product.
Don't see many people rushing to get a gob full of that...

Only because I can't get it in Asdas.

iDave:

Not with a nice passata based sauce

Careful. Don't let iDave here you talking like that.

[i]Not with a nice passata based sauce[/i]

Yeeeaaawww !.

Glad I've already eaten for tonight.

[i]MDA isn't a weight loss site afaik[/i]
Eh ?, are we discussing the same site.
True life stories and all that where mahoosive people end up getting back to being [i]normal[/i], ie, much lighter than when they started out.
❓

Anyway, I like Marks site, especially his approach to assessing foods that we ought and ought not to consider eating.
Some of Marks stuff is good, but can't say I'm convinced about all of it.
And as you may know, I'm not a fan of supplements such as those powdered shake thingys.
Fish oil capsules is as far as supps go with me.

None taken, for my part.

Doesn't sound like that to me. Like I said matey, lighten up. And stop being so damn literal all the time. Jeez. 😐

And still would have, if you hadn't been so tetchy.

I think it's rather plain who's being the tetchy geezer here.

Consider, for a moment, my propensity for flaming, should I think the victim deserves it.

I'm the victim here? I thought it was you. No, it's me. No, it's you. Ah Jeez, I'm confussed. Maybe I need to set my formidable partner Middle-Class-molgrips on you.

Then tomorrow, its off to a luxury hotel in the countryside for more pleasant relaxedness.

Sounds like you need it. 🙂

Not with a nice passata based sauce

If you had told Solo that eating elephant dung with a passata sauce was part of the diet, I reckon he'd of done it.

Elephant dung with a passata sauce is a core part of the diet - always was, always will be...

....only if it's served with custard, though.

i find that psyllium husks, besan flour and LSA meal makes a dough which provides a comforting stomach bomb when baked that is almost, but not quite, unlike cornbread.