Loving the Limpics Hockey. What a great spectator sport.
My question is about the (to me) seeming arbitrary application of the body check and hooking rules. Sometimes the defender smashes the attacker way after the puck has been passed and gets away with it, other times they slam into the boards and get cheered yet I saw one that seemed fairly innocuous and he got binned. Same with hooking with the stick. Iim sure there is some nuance and gamesmanship here - can anyone explain?
It's good but it lacks the speed and visceral carnage that is curling
That curling truly is edge of the seat stuff.
Too wild for the X-games I heard.
IMHO, it's a little like rugby, in that a degree of [Bill McLaren]argy bargy[/Bill McLaren] is expected, tolerated and allowed, along the lines of, 'Don't complain if you get pinged!'.
Maybe not the most accurate view of the rules, but that's how the game seems to me.
Hooking is a no no but up to the refs to interpret. Slashing is the same. Checks are allowed but it depends what type of check, you cant take someone out at the knees for example, putting someone into the boards is ok as long as it is not head first. See Chara alamost kill Max Pacioretty on youtube for a dirty hit from a dirty player in a dirty team. Sorry letting my personal opinions into the answer 😆 You cant aim at the head. Hip checks can be devastating 😯
Olympics dont get as crazy as NHL as nobody wants to have a game penalty or get games off.
But some of the body checks seem totally 'late tackle' territory to take the rugby analogy on. I'd be pissed off to get blindside mashed into the boards a good few seconds after I'd passed. And then I saw one guy get pinged for body checking and the ref making a big deal of it when it seemed fairly tame compared to the other ones.
Bloody love watching it though, cracking sport!
Cheers pig face, I thought there must be some nuance there. I will look up the YouTube vid.
Its a wonderful sport spoiled by the violence. I actually prefer watching the ladies version, much less gratuitous violence.
Its only the NHL that goes really mad and that is not every game, in Finland if you throw a punch you get ejected. Not sure about the KHL in Russia, seen a game in France that ended up with people hospitalised and players banned for life, that was really ugly.
There are some ethics between players. You generally get the penalty for being dirty or sly. Hooking is only called when you're feet aren't moving and you are using your body weight to slow them down, not just the annoyance of your stick. Fighting has no become a noon. Peoples till do it though.
Been playing hockey for the last 15 years up to semi pro, so seen what it's all about and refs do like to let the game flow rather than call everything.
It's the best team game on Earth IMO, the skills of the top guys is awesome. Some people don't get it but they usually either can't or have never skated so don't realise how hard it is. I've only played recreational hockey & was a reasonable skater for years but's only when you have a stick & a puck to go with & you see how difficult it is!
[i]It's a wonderful sport spoiled by the violence[/i]
Really? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of NHL fans & see what they say.
Dan11 - thanks for the info. how about the ethics and nuance of the body check after the puck has been passed? Is it used to intimidate or to tire the other player out? What do players consider 'acceptable' and par for the course and what is beyond the pail?
It's an American sport, and therefore by definition, is pish. Next.
Ot, but if you want to try it(well without the ice and violence) have a look for your nearest floorball club
Floorball is brilliant fun but never seen it in this country.
Nobeer ha ha ha that's funny
There are a few clubs mainly uni based, have a google. Sory on bleedin kindle an canto links etc .......
Nobeer ha ha ha that's funny
I'm glad you think so, but I wasn't attempting humour, only an opinion dear boy.
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It's an American sport, and therefore by definition, is pish. Next.
Nobeer, what planet do you live on? First of all, all such nonsense bigotry is just that. How can something be 'pish' just because of where it is from?
And secondly, it's not American. It's Canadian.
Bigotry? 😆
Sorry. Prejudice.
Each to their own, as I said, merely my opinion.
[i]& therefore by definition is pish[/i]
Care to explain why it's 'pish' though? Don't you understand the rules even vaguely or do you have trouble following the puck (the little black thing they whack around)
Mind you, I'm the same with soccer, duller than Jack McDull from Dullsville on a very dull day. 🙄
What part of 'each to their own' is difficult to understand?. Same as you don't like football, which I can't be arsed with either tbh, I don't like Ice jockey. Simples.
Right, when I win the Lottry I'll take you & loads of others to a Stanley Cup Playoff game, That'll change your mind! 😆
Oooooo oooooo oooooo can I get in on that please egf. Always wanted to get to a hockey match.
Hopefully we will be in Slovakia at some point when a game is on and I will be able to catch one. As you can guess I was supporting the wrong team today but even from a layman's eyes I could see the US team has ridiculous strength and depth in it's team.
Right, when I win the Lottry I'll take you & loads of others to a Stanley Cup Playoff game, That'll change your mind!
Done! 😉
It's an American sport, and therefore by definition, is pish. Next.
[b][canuck expat geekout] [/b] actually, it's a sport with its origins in the native north american game of lacrosse, as played by groups such as the six nations of the iroquois (e.g. mohawk, seneca, onondaga peoples etc.).
being the original settlers of the land, they knew of no borders as we do today.
jes sayin'. :wink:[b] [/ canuck expat geekout][/b]
That curling truly is edge of the seat stuff.Too wild for the X-games I heard.
I know I'm not the only one on here that both bikes and curls, but there aren't many.
To my biased mind it's a great mix of finesse, concentration, last minute adjustments, and fitness as well. I'm damned sure I couldn't manage the curling as well if I didn't have the fitness of e.g. biking behind me..
Though it's amusing at our leisure centre, there's often a step class adjacent when we're on ice, and I'm sure both sets of folk look at the other and think "WTF"..
If you've never watched it live then you are missing the speed of the game. TV just doesn't pick it up.
Bound to be a team or game near you Rusty Mac, British Elite league is years behind NHL and other bigger leagues but still a good introduction to the sport. Took the wife a few years back and she was amazed at the speed and the fact the refs allow the "enforcers" to slug it out on the ice, blow for blow until somebody falls..
I prefer a game to flow but I play the game so maybe I'm talking from what I prefer and how I like a game to progress. A lot of people seem to think it's an easy game to play for some reason, it's an incredibly good leveller, as nobody really has a "natural talent", everybody has to work very hard even to play at a mediocre level. I can't imagine the
hours I spent at the rink when I was younger, just practicing skating!
Great sport to watch and even better to play, done wonders for my fitness... Not bad for a "pish" sport!
Some of the hits you see are amazing, YouTube is your friend there, just search for best NHL hits..
Double post .. Damn you I Pad!
Hopefully we will be in Slovakia at some point when a game is on and I will be able to catch one.
We went to one in Canada and we were bored to tears after 15 minutes. I fell asleep.
Had the option to go to one in Slovakia and declined.
Yeah but if it is pants in Slovakia I can sit and drink zlaty bazant for a few hours with a good excuse.
Off to Finland at end of the month to see the Helsinki winter classic and catching KaLpa against SaiPa, can't wait.
[i]If you've never watched it live then you are missing the speed of the game. TV just doesn't pick it up.[/i]
Correct Druidh, my team (years ago) was Durham Wasps & our arch enemies were Murrayfield Racers, Fife Flyers & Dundee Rockets. Saw some bloody good (& fast) games back then!
Saw two NHL games in Canada in 2000 & the difference in their game/speed & the British league was a bit embarrassing TBH.
My dad is still playing competitive sport at 73 by continuing with his curling. He reckons he has played competitive port every year since he was 6 or 7.
Combination of football, rugby, badminton, judo ( till he got broken) and curling.
I bet there aren't many out there that can claim the same.
It's generally accepted that you're allowed to check someone up to 1 second after they've released the puck, as long as you're already on a trajectory to hit them anyway. And the idea behind following through with your checks is partly to wear the opposition down, and partly to ensure that they don't have space to play. If the skater with the puck knew he wasn't going to get hit, he'd have a lot more latitude in where and when he could make plays.
And the slashing/hooking/holding decision is often more down to positioning than the actual act. If a skater is out of position chasing someone with the puck, and holds or hooks him to make up for that, he'll get called. If he is moving and maintaining a good position, then those things are much less likely to be called.
dirty hit from a dirty player in a dirty team
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Filthy diving Habs fan or filthy whinging cheap shot Canucks fan?
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