I also read somewhere thats it's the ideal location to invade Russia from and start WW3, although I'm not reading too much into that one.
Elfinsafety - MemberWhy Afghanistan which has no oil?
So George Bush hatched this plan in 2001 to destroy the World Trade Center because he knew that in 2010 they would find huge mineral deposits in Afghanistan ?
The guy was an absolute genius ..... truly.
And when I think of all the stick he got about being being thick/stupid.
Still, he didn't reckon on [i]you[/i], eh Effin ?
Stop calling me Effin then I might respond to you. Why do you always have to be so rude?
(BTW it's long been known there are enormous mineral deposits in Afghanistan. Why do you think the Russians were there?)
Not to mention the huge opium and cannabis crops in Afgahnistan?
Not to mention the huge opium and cannabis crops in Afgahnistan?
I did mention it a few posts back over the page... pay attention U31
Elfinsafety - Member
"To gain massive international support for the invasion of Iraq"
Then why was it such an awful fit? If the attack was custom-built to give a reason to attack Iraq you'd expect that it might have been, well, a reason to attack Iraq. Obviously it did the job but if you assume that the whole thing was a conspiracy why no miraculously intact Iraqi passports?
Mikey74
I think the Bush admin. was perfectly capable of "letting it happen" to further their aims. I certainly don't think they planned it, I don't believe they carried out a controlled demolition, but I would not put it past them to have known about it in advance and did nothing to prevent it.
Again, we come back to the point I made earlier - all that footage of officials running round in blind panic, Bush circling aimlessly over Florida before being flown to some bunker then moved again, you're saying that all of that was acted out?
In the months leading up to it various intelligence agencies had picked up increased chatter about some sort of terrorist event, that is known. None of them were sharing their information with any other agency so a full picture was never built up and the bits that were there were ignored by a complacent Administration that believed itself impregnable, certainly to something of that magnitude. As some one else mentioned above, that's why it succeeded, because it was so wildly improbable, no-one who did pick up the hints of a threat took it seriously.
Agencies were aware of a slightly increased risk, they certainly didn't know about anything that big and therefore by definition didn't deliberately allow it to happen. It could be argued that they [i]inadvertently[/i] allowed it to happen by being lazy/incompetent/stupid/complacent but it wasn't a deliberate allowance with a plan behind it all, the Bush Administration simply wasn't smart enough for that.
Elfinsafety - MemberStop calling me Effin then I might respond to you. Why do you always have to be so rude?
(BTW it's long been known there are enormous mineral deposits in Afghanistan. Why do you think the Russians were there?)
WTF your name's not Effin ???? 😕
BTW if "it's long been known there are enormous mineral deposits in Afghanistan" why is your link BBC News dated 14 June 2010 ?
I suspect E&S of trolling to be honest.
As for mineral deposits - you do realise you don't have to invade a country to get those, don't you? You just have some giant multinational mining companies wave big sums of cash and jobs in front of the locals and move in. Then you use cheap labour and screw the administrations and workers alike.
There are loads of experts giving testimony on both sides, correct. I'd not read anything into it though. It's been shown many times that people's memories of things are very fallible, and their interpretation of evidence very susceptible to their own feelings. So given all the insane hype around the subject, it's probably fairly worthless.
Let's put it another way. If you punched a huge hole in a massive skyscraper and lit a fire spanning many floors and half of the floor area, why would you expect it to stay standing?
It seems we have about a 50/50 split sheeples and sceptics
But whatever you believe the Govt/Bush might or might not be prepared to do, Occam's Razor still applies.
Oh here we go someone trying to sound clever by using the old 'Occams Razor' line... 🙄
Actually it sounds like a good name for a Turkish Barbers....
As for mineral deposits - you do realise you don't have to invade a country to get those, don't you? You just have some giant multinational mining companies wave big sums of cash and jobs in front of the locals and move in.
Erm that works in most places, but not Afghanistan. You'd need stability in the region before mining and exploration teams could go in, and to establish stability, you'd probably need to use military force against local 'insurgents'.
Oh....
You'd need stability in the region
Like in Angola?
What is in Afghanistan that there is such a shortage of that we'd need to concoct the world's most elaborate hoax to get to?
Oh here we go someone trying to sound clever by using the old 'Occams Razor' line..
OK, if you think that 'sounds clever':
But whatever you believe the Govt/Bush might or might not be prepared to do, why disregard the most plausible explanation in favor of a far more implausible one?
why disregard the most plausible explanation in favor of a far more implausible one?
Cos it's exciting and interesting. Some people can't quite deal with the fact that there might not be mystery and intrigue. Some kind of subconscious reaction against the boring and obvious.
why disregard the most plausible explanation in favor of a far more implausible one?
years and tears of hollywood conditioning.. this was planned in walt disneys golden era.. they just needed to wait for the internet to be invented..
it's true.. I recieved the info through coded broadcasts during strictly come dancing.. you can ask my nan.. she was there.. only she has alzheimers..
VERY convenient nan... perhaps TOO convenient
What is in Afghanistan that there is such a shortage of that we'd need to concoct the world's most elaborate hoax to get to?
Did you not read the BBC article I linked to earlier?
Cos it's exciting and interesting. Some people can't quite deal with the fact that there might not be mystery and intrigue. Some kind of subconscious reaction against the boring and obvious.
I don't find the 'official' line that 'planes crashed into the WTC destroying 3 buildings and killing thousands in any way 'boring'. And definitely not 'obvious', as we've not been presented with any evidence, only supposition and theory by people paid to come up with the conclusion their paymasters told them to.
Please. Do as I did; have a Google for the Bush family and it's links to the Nazis, Enron, the Bin Laden family etc. Stuff that's published and freely in the public domain. Knowing the American's love of litigation, the fact that such information hasn't been suppressed must mean it's true. Have a read of it. Then tell me that a family dynasty with it's history of supporting evil isn't capable of doing the same.
I think many people are simply too scared to imagine that a regime they consider to be more 'moral' than others could possibly carry out such an atrocity.
'Ooh what horrible thing to do. Surely they wouldn't? Surely not?'
have a Google for the Bush family and it's links to the Nazis, Enron, the Bin Laden family etc. Stuff that's published and freely in the public domain. Knowing the American's love of litigation, the fact that such information hasn't been suppressed must mean it's true. Have a read of it. Then tell me that a family dynasty with it's history of supporting evil isn't capable of doing the same.
If it's on teh interweb it MUST be true!
Also published in print, much of it, Flashy. And actual stated facts the Bush family has never denied. Don't you think they'd deny such allegations? Very difficult to do that when there's actually factual evidence proving it to be true, mind.
You're on teh interweb, yet no-one off STW's ever seen you. Are you real? 😉
from your link elfinsafety
1,200 professional architects and engineers are presenting new evidence indicating that the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition
What percentage of professional architects and engineers is that ? I bet I can find more scientists that dont believe in evolution and I bet there are more srchitects and engineers.
Blair was able to go to war with just a BS dossier to invade a country NOT even linked to the actual events, Probably better to have implicated them in your conspiracy I would have thought.
Did you not read the BBC article I linked to earlier?
No.
'Ooh what horrible thing to do. Surely they wouldn't? Surely not?'
I'm not saying they couldn't be capable of it (although I very much doubt that they would but that's another issue). I'm saying that even if they were capable of it, they wouldn't, because:
a) there'd be no point as you could achieve any of the above mentioned aims through far less risky means
b) the risk of being found out (likely 100%) would be so high that no-one would attempt it
c) it'd be logistically impossible
No.
No point in continuing this discussion then. That's it, it's done.
Bush dunnit.
CASE DISMISSED.
molgrips - MemberDid you not read the BBC article I linked to earlier?
"[b]No.[/b]"
It's a link which he claims proves that the US government destroyed one of their most iconic buildings, so that they could get their hands on Afghanistan's mineral wealth.
No.. it wouldn't matter if the streets of Kabul were paved with gold - if you wanted mineral wealth, that would NOT be the way you did it?!
If you were president of the USA and utterly evil, and you wanted mineral wealth in Afghanistan - how would you do it?
[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-remember-when-911-was-a-type-of-porsche/page/5#post-1797351 ]See above.[/url]
Indeed. And I'm sure the CIA has already planted the demolition charges around the Empire State Building in preparation for an attack on Iran.
Surprised no-ones mentioned farenheit 911. It contains bits of all the theories put forward on here so far, other than the controlled explosion thing, which in my opinion is just a step too far. Why would they bother?
Elf - loser 🙂
Elf - loser
Don't set him off again. This place is like a refuge for the hard of reasoning at the moment.
Not at all, I just don't see the point in arguing any more. If people can't be bothered thinking beyond what they're told to, then there's no point trying to get them to do otherwise.
I've won anyway, and am currently enjoying champagne in the VIP enclosure with all the hospitality hostesses....
You lot are fighting it out for the minor placings.
If people can't be bothered thinking beyond what they're told to
Mate, that is an absolutely outrageous allegation!
All my posts on here are trying to persuade you to think about it a little more, not less! Nobody at all told me to think a particular way about this. I didn't sit around wondering what on earth happened until the official report came out so I could think 'phew, now we've been told for sure'.
Don't be such a dick!
BTW it has taken a great deal of effort to not swear a lot and be angry in this post!
All my posts on here are trying to persuade you to think about it a little more,
Precisely. That's my entire point. I won't be told how to think. Especially not by someone who chooses to ignore information available to them, yet has little to offer themselves.
Don't be such a dick!
So you need to resort to abuse?
This is why I can't be arsed any more. This argument is done. It's only going round in circles now. Continuing it will only serve to create more anger and hate. There's enough of that on here as it is.
Feel free to carry on without me.
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I'm surprised this has hit 5 pages without:
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ]Occam's Razor[/url]
Has served me well over the years.
Or what about the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test ]duck test[/url] e.g. if it looks like a controlled demolition then it probably is. This was my initial thoughts back in 2001 when I first saw the footage of the collapse, clearly I wasn't alone in my thinking.
Anyway all done and dusted, now we can all sleep soundly given the new terror laws that have been passed since the event, don't worry about your civil liberties folks.
I can't be arsed anymore either, I'll be on the bike forum discussing the benefits of over mountain vs all mountain if you need me 😉