[Closed] I got flashed!

The RK must receive the NIP within 14 days, [u]and[/u], the police or prosecutors must 'lay the information' within 6 months (which means notify the magistrates/court/clerk in writing what offence the person is to be summonsed with). So both timescales are relevant.

And red means stop if it is safe to do so, as does amber.

There is no provision in the legislation for going through a red light (emergency vehicles excepted), while there is for amber if it isn't safe to stop.

The nip needs to be sent to the registered keeper so that in the normal course of post it will arrive within 14 days . so are you the registered keeper at the registered address and when was it posted ?

Re reading the op says prosecution notice if he means summons then if he has had the nip in the 14 day slot then it is within the 6 months time limit.

Ah yes you're right, it's 2 weeks for the NIP but it then took a further 4 months before I got a court date. Apparently the little slip of paper they give you when you get pulled constitutes as your NIP

"He obviously didn't accelerate hard enough" yeah a clear example.of where a fast car would be way safer.

When I was a youth In a borrowed little turbo jobbie took a right at a four ways junction a bit lively causing the tyres to make an "American tyres" sound as I went around.
As I did I saw the police car that stopped me waiting to cross the lights from my right.

Do you know why I stopped you.
I went around that corner a bit fast.
A bit fast, that squealing noise your tyres made meant that they were crabbing and you could have lost control at any time.
I don't think so.
I know so, why was you going so fast.
Because the lights changed.

You're telling me the reason you were speeding was to go through a red light.
Yes.
(Laugh) well at least your honest, don't let me catch you driving like that again, on your way.

I have never had a bad experience with the police even when I have been arrested as I am of the it's a fair cop rather than it was not me school of thought when I get caught out.

Technically the bulbs are all white and the lenses are different colours, so yes all the amber bulbs have gone because they don't exist.

I was pulled over early one morning and the conversation went something like this:
Officer- do you know why I stopped you?
Me - No, sorry, do I have a brake light out?
Officer - No, think about what you just did.
Me - I honestly have no idea what I have done wrong officer.
Officer - do you have any identification on you?
Me - no sorry, only a debit card, but I only live over there *point to my house 100yds away* I can get some id for you.
Officer - don't worry about it, is this your car? What colour were the traffic lights on as you went through?
Me - Amber well possibly just green and then Amber.
Officer - EXACTLY! you drove through on Amber.
Me *looking completely perplexed* ok, but I honestly thought it was fine to drive through as it was changing to Amber.
Officer - no, you must stop, I will let you off with a warning this time, have a good ride, where you off to?
Me - seriously you can't go through on Amber, Surrey Hills.
Officer - seriously don't push your luck. Enjoy your ride and don't fall off.

Officer- do you know why I stopped you?

The correct answer to this is 'You've caught the bastard who nicked my telly?'

Busted. Suck it up.

What a clown! (OP)

Officer 'do you know why I stopped you'?

'Lets see how fast you can run officer? Chase!

OPs not evil. Idiot motoring journalist did 127 on a single carriageway and was banned. On Pistonheads some argued he might have been right/conditions etc.

You are already breaking the law on amber.. you would have to show a good reason for why you drove through an amber (to get let off).

red light, no such leeway.

got what u deserve.

How are you braking the law on amber?

got what u deserve.

He sure did. I think all crimes should be handled this way. There is simply no stronger deterrent than mild scorn and virtual tutting from middle-aged strangers who may or may not own a bicycle.

You are already breaking the law on amber.. you would have to show a good reason for why you drove through an amber (to get let off).

Try again.

cheez0 - Member

You are already breaking the law on amber.. you would have to show a good reason for why you drove through an amber (to get let off).

red light, no such leeway.

got what u deserve.

I was being driven around Dublin recently by one of my colleagues who was originally from Spain. He did the same thing as the OP and just said "Where I come from a red light means another 3 cars can go through."

Let the hand wringing begin 🙂

Also the law for car drivers seems to be red plus one more car before they stop.

apparently the light had been on red for 1.1 seconds when I passed through it. does anyone know the threshold of what is deemed acceptable?

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say somewhere in the region of 0>1.0 seconds.

OPs not evil. Idiot motoring journalist did 127 on a single carriageway and was banned. On Pistonheads some argued he might have been right/conditions etc.

Experienced ex-race car driver, straight road, quiet time of night, fast car capable of speeds like that easily etc etc etc. All totally irrelevant to anyone but an blinkered idiot. He was doing 127 in a 60. Anyone else would get a ban and if their livelihood depended on driving a car, loose their job as well.

Euro - Member
got what u deserve.

He sure did. I think all crimes should be handled this way. There is simply no stronger deterrent than mild scorn and virtual tutting from middle-aged strangers who may or may not own a bicycle.

😀

johnj2000 - Member
I was pulled over early one morning and the conversation went something like this:
Officer- do you know why I stopped you?
Me - No, sorry, do I have a brake light out?
Officer - No, think about what you just did.
Me - I honestly have no idea what I have done wrong officer.
Officer - do you have any identification on you?
Me - no sorry, only a debit card, but I only live over there *point to my house 100yds away* I can get some id for you.
Officer - don't worry about it, is this your car? What colour were the traffic lights on as you went through?
Me - Amber well possibly just green and then Amber.
Officer - EXACTLY! you drove through on Amber.
Me *looking completely perplexed* ok, but I honestly thought it was fine to drive through as it was changing to Amber.
Officer - no, you must stop, I will let you off with a warning this time, have a good ride, where you off to?
Me - seriously you can't go through on Amber, Surrey Hills.
Officer - seriously don't push your luck. Enjoy your ride and don't fall off.

did you switch from your vehicle to your bike mid conversation? no wonder he was pissed

How are you braking the law on amber?

Because the law says that [b]amber means stop[/b] (unless you are so close that you can't do that safely). The OP was went through 1.1 seconds after it turned red, so he had plenty of time to stop and is bang to rights.

[i]" the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line...
...the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same prohibition as the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond the stop line"[/i] -- [url= http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/36/made ]TSRGD 36[/url]

Interesting, and thanks for saving me a job, Graham 😉 Though I suspect the CPS would never take on a case involving going through amber except in very exceptional circumstances, as it's too hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vehicle could be safely stopped.

Probably depends on how long the amber phase is on the lights, but yeah I think the cameras only flash people on red for that exact reason. Actual fleshy traffic police may be less tolerant.

Though I suspect the CPS would never take on a case involving going through amber except in very exceptional circumstances, as it's too hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vehicle could be safely stopped.

I suspect the defence "I wuz driving too fast to stop" ain't gong to cut it, then... 😛

AHEM

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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36

Yep Woppit, that's the Highway Code's re-wording of TSRGD 36 that I just posted.

Have a drive around W'ton the lights and signs are purely advisory

[quote=GrahamS ]Actual fleshy traffic police may be less tolerant.

In terms of stopping you to have a word, yes, as demonstrated by the post above. In terms of prosecuting you, I doubt it very much. Far too easy to show reasonable doubt.

Amazing/worrying that people don't know this really.

Add another entry to the "List of reasons why regular re-tests would be a good idea"

Far too easy to show reasonable doubt.

If they witnessed it then they could testify to dispute that reasonable doubt: e.g. [i]"The defendant was 500 metres away when the light went Amber. He made no attempt to brake and actually accelerated towards it."[/i]

But you're right I'd doubt many traffic cops would consider it a serious enough offence to warrant anything more than a telling off.

"hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vehicle could be safely stopped."

the threshold would be balance of probability for a traffic ticket, wouldn't it?

Nope, it's not civil law - still the same standard of proof required as any other criminal law.

Was it anything like this?

In terms of prosecuting you, I doubt it very much. Far too easy to show reasonable doubt.

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Are you saying that the traffic police are unlikely to prosecute someone who jumps a red light in front of them, or are we talking about ambers here?

ambers

though depending on circumstances you might just get a chat for red - fairly sure my mum did at least once

[quote=rwamartin ]Was it anything like this?

Wow - impressed by the observational skills

M6TTF- bike was in boot of car.

Drac - Moderator

You are already breaking the law on amber.. you would have to show a good reason for why you drove through an amber (to get let off).

Try again.

Drac, Y U NO GOOGLE?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/36/made

http://www.hilldickinson.com/downloads/client_services/knowledge_and_publications/insurance/19_august_2011.aspx

http://www.confused.com/car-insurance/blogs/blog-traffic-lights-are-you-an-amber-gambler

all these links state that the law applying to red lights applies to amber. i.e STOP

(e) the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same prohibition as the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond the stop line, it shall convey the same indication as the green signal or green arrow signal which was shown immediately before it

ambers

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No. Read the links GrahamS provided which I didn't need to Google. It's not you must stop, it's stop if safe.

Or indeed read your own quite.

Stop if safe I.e don't if theres a car behind you or you are doing 20 etc and metres from the line.

Or its red, 5am etc and deserted/no cars in sight.

Or its red, 5am etc and deserted/no cars in sight.

No, that part you made up. Wholly.

Have a drive around W'ton the lights and signs are purely advisory

You want to try Bradford. Amber doesn't even mean speed up to its inhabitants, it means keep going so you're coasting through a red whilst the green man is on. The worst driving I've ever witnessed...

I used to frequently visit Bradford and can attest that the driving standards there are appalling.

However, someone in Guildford last night topped it all.

Coming up my road, there are parking bays on the left which narrows the road to single traffic. And because it's a residential road, with a school on, I drive carefully up it, giving way to oncoming cars. Rather than as this gesticulating moron behind seemed to want me to do, and gun it up the narrow bits to the next bit of two way and then swerve in front of the oncoming traffic.

So after a couple of incidents of this and ever increasing flashing of her lights - we are now proceeding at a stately pace towards the 4 way traffic light crossroads at the end, at which point our green light turns amber while I'm still some way away, at which point she decides that if I don't jump the lights then she's still going to.

Is it ever acceptable to jump the red lights on the wrong side of the road whilst overtaking the car in front that has stopped at them?

I have your number, as do the police.

I have your number, as do the police.

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