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As for Huw, don’t know anything about him
He gives his work colleagues the Evil Eye.
I do love it when people who’ve clearly been lucky enough never to suffer from mental illness start dishing out advice from their elevated equines to people suffering from mental illness
Fingers crossed the scum gets sued into oblivion over this, hateful waste of paper and ink.
I've not read the reports in that paper but I bet they are just on the legal side of getting away with it by being vague accusations and bulls#it.
No laws broken according to the met so until that changes its of no interest to anyone but the people involved.
The spin on it that it’s a BBC cover up, and Lee Anderson using it as a pretext to call the Beeb “a safe haven for perverts”
Given the number of tory mps who are either under investigation or have been found guilty of various sexual offences its pretty rich for him to try that.
Typical though.
Oh dear me..
"Hows about" is not telling it is "suggesting"
But if it helps, ok your right..my opinion is not valid,
do you feel better now you have won....
I will of course seek your approval before i post again.
Binners, i love it when people assume its clear others have not suffered mental health issues...well done sir very very well done
Hows your elevated equine...
The death of a mate at 39 from cancer, the death of both parents in a year from cancer both terminal for 18 months at the same time followed by redundancy the month after dad died then redundacy again a year later nearly broke me...thanks again very very classy.
While I'm of course sympathetic to anyone with mental health issues, the beeb are also reporting that while these original allegations are apparently not illegal and between consenting adults, there are also allegations surfacing of inappropriate behaviour / abuse of power
"BBC Newsnight has also spoken to one current and one former BBC worker who said they’d received inappropriate messages from Edwards..........One said they felt it was an abuse of power by someone very senior in the organisation. Both workers who spoke to Newsnight, and the other employee, spoke of a reluctance among junior staff to complain to managers about the conduct of high-profile colleagues in case it adversely affected their careers"
That is no longer 'only of interest to the people involved' - I think there may be more to come.
Given the number of tory mps who are either under investigation or have been found guilty of various sexual offences its pretty rich for him to try that.
Typical though.
Similar to the 'balance' that the Beeb had to go through on the economics of Brexit debate - that was correctly vilified by Maitlis. They had to ring around about a hundred economists until they found one who could present a vaguely positive speculation about Brexit, then gave them equal airtime with one of the other 99 and present it as 'balance'.
The Home Counties Himmlers will be saying "they're all as bad as each other - the BBC, parliament, all of them".
Fingers crossed the scum gets sued into oblivion over this, hateful waste of paper and ink
Indeed, maybe they're banking on not actually printing a name as their way to wriggle out of any culpability? No doubt a few solicitors are polishing up their invoicing pens...
Given the number of tory mps who are either under investigation or have been found guilty of various sexual offences its pretty rich for him to
Precisely my point, whether deliberately coordinated or simply served up ready for Lee to apply his unique brand of 'commentary' I suppose we'll never know. But he's an odious **** supposedly in a position of authority over a party full of similarly odious ****s, aiming for culture war soundbites instead of delivering a credible version of government...
@EhWhoMe - whatever, we get it. Your a contrarian, RW snowflake as entitled to your opinions as the rest of us are to disagree with them... Time to move along and stop trolling.
Dear god! After repeatedly giving airtime to odious gobshite Kelvin McKenzie, Newsnight have now scraped the bottom of the barrel and got Rod Liddle on to unsurprisingly defend the Sun
He works for the Sun and has just stated , with a straight face ‘the Sun has behaved impeccably’ and is now shouting down anyone who disagrees
What a pair of ****s him and McKenzie are!
Brexit, then gave them equal airtime with one of the other 99 and present it as ‘balance’.
The Home Counties Himmlers ....
Personal attacks, brexit, southern voters, Tory scum, and Godwin's, the Huw Edwards thread descends into just another political thread!
I do love it when people who’ve clearly been lucky enough never to suffer from mental illness start dishing out advice from their elevated equines to people suffering from mental illness
Quite.
Tom , if true do you think its a good use of money.
And how do you know that he doesn’t give twice that to charity every year? Unless of course you are his bank manager as well as his psychiatrist?
how he spends his own money is irrelevant. If he has spunked his cash on getting his jollys from only fans is neither my concern nor yours
if however he’s proven to be abusing his position then that’s another matter, but I’ll refrain from judgement until there are some actual facts
In all of this, I can't trust any of the parties involved
- completely believe some Tory scum MPs would use it as a diversion from their current corruption, illegality and the basket case economy.
<p style="text-align: left;">- got to remember a lot of fhookwhits and scum buy The Scum, and the HateMail, and other Murdoch bilge. Every day. Year after year. Large swathes of the population are so dumb (or racist or bigotted or all 3) not to see those publications for what they are (or actually want to see all the hateful shiiite they print). There's a big part of the problem. If nobody gave Murdoch their ££ and ignored them, this garbage sectiom of the press would be irrelevant. (Everyone needs to think of that, every time they buy these arse wipe papers , or have paid Sky for Internet or sports coverage etc. All those fuel it.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">- can't trust the Met to do even a half arsed investigation- the same organisation that brought you the institutional racism and anti-women attitude for the past fheckknows how many decades. Couzens. Port. Carrick. Even Stephen Lawrence's murderers not being prosecuted properly even 20 year after. The same outfit that can't be arsed investigating the law breaking of the then PM (fheck me, of course there's no evidence if you don't get off your arses and go investigate)</p>
- the young person may well deny it, because their drugs income stream has just been taken away ! Hardly a reliable objective witness !
i wonder whether anyone bothered to take a good hard look at the phones and laptops of those 'involved' ?.inc the elements previously deleted ? No mention of the Met getting off their arse and doing any actual investigation!
If nobody gave Murdoch their ££ and ignored them, this garbage sectiom of the press would be irrelevant. (Everyone needs to think of that, every time they buy these arse wipe papers , or have paid Sky for Internet or sports coverage etc.
FWIW Murdoch hasn't owned Sky for almost 5 years now.
It really does feel like a massive manhunt and a chance to destroy the BBC is being taken by the media this morning. Every paper is leading with a variation of "It's Huw!" front page despite the police and the alleged victim both saying nothing wrong or criminal has been done. Meanwhile the govt has had the stories of Sunak missing another PMQ, Johnson still not managing to remember his passcode for his old phone, the cost of living crisis predicted to get worse very soon and whatever other story they can sneak out not appearing anywhere unless you go looking for them deep in the political sections.
This smacks of another Caroline Flack situation in the making, if it hasn't got that far already. All lead by The Sun, absolute scum.
An issue for Huw and his family only. Not sure what it has got to do with anyone else, including the BBC. If he has done nothing illegal then his only 'crime' may be reputational damage to BBC which I guess they would have a case for but otherwise nothing to do with them what Huw gets up to or spends his money on.
Scans thread, sees pointless bickering. Again. Leaves thread.
can’t trust the Met to do even a half arsed investigation
The offences occurred outside the Mets area and were investigated by the local force.
So many facts lost in the pountless noise.
An issue for Huw and his family only. Not sure what it has got to do with anyone else, including the BBC. If he has done nothing illegal then his only ‘crime’ may be reputational damage to BBC which I guess they would have a case for but otherwise nothing to do with them what Huw gets up to or spends his money on.
Broadly I'd agree - but reputational damage for a public institution that everyone has heard about (the organisation and the presenter), particularly on the back of having not covered themselves in glory over 'cursory glance similar' issues like Saville probably has a pretty low bar for them to get worried and involved in.
However, as reported last night when it turns into accusations of abuse of power to gain or elicit favours from junior staff in the newsroom, etc., then that most definitely is a situation that the employer has to get involved in. "You're all adults what he does to you when you're at work is for you to sort out" doesn't wash at all, even if it doesn't cross any criminal threshold.
The issue is the public reporting, creating the witchhunt, accusing innocent parties, etc. So much is/was bad here. IDK if I believe the parents having to go public to protect their child..... as someone else said IDK if you can consider a drug addicted young adult who's just had their substantial funding stream stopped a reliable witness when they say nothing untoward happened. In the end I guess it cycles back to the issues around Saville and co again, if they keep it private, leave it to the police and internal HR to sort out, and if the story doesn't leak anyway - IF (big IF in this case still) something untoward has happened then the accusation is of cover up and lack of transparency. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And how MP's can with one breath be shouting disgrace and then in the next not taking action on the gropers and bullies in their own ranks - I would say beggars belief but then I remember who we're talking about.
Its a matter for the Police if its a criminal allegation.
It's internal HR if it's workplace harassment.
None of it is anybody else's business.
Tone on here is quite rightly its no one’s business if nothing illegal has happened yet here we are over 100 comments and counting.
Newsnight have now scraped the bottom of the barrel and got Rod Liddle on to unsurprisingly defend the Sun
Rod Liddle was cautioned for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend.
Rod Liddle was cautioned for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend.
Your average Tory voter thinks it was probably her fault in some way.
Traditional Values and all that.
Seem to remember Rod Liddle writing a piece many years ago where he said he wouldn't trust himself to be a high school teacher due to temptation...
I'm a bit surprised at the level of support on here for Huw. He was in a prominent position and appears to have behaved below the standard expected of someone in the position, he was a well known news anchor, real world rules are different for some who makes their living from their persona. I agree it's down to the police to sort illegality and for internal HR to sort out allegations of inappropriate behaviour but has everyone forgotten the Me Too movement that blew the lid off behaviour exactly like this in Hollywood? If it had all been dealt with behind closed does by the relavent people how many additional people wouldn't have come forward.
Mental health is a major issue but either suffering with it at the time of the alleged incidents or as a result of the outcry does not nullify the alleged incidents. Caroline Flack was charged with a fairly serious offence and it was intended to prosecute, I think that got forgotten as a result of her tragic death. As Binners pointed out many, many people suffer from mental health issues, been there myself due to bullying at work but that didn't result in me doing anything illegal or bullying the people who worked for me.
And yes the Sun can rot in hell, the hypocrisy and toxic affect that rag has on society needs to stop immediately.
It's all very weird. I'm struggling a bit with having sympathy for HE. He's clearly done some questionable but not illegal stuff, but they could be very morally wrong.
We don't know all the facts yet, but if he has paid thousands for sexually explicit photos of a 17 year old* kid then that's plain wrong. The other stories being reported don't make him out to be any kind of angel either.
All this while married....
He obviously has his issues, but I'm not sure I can attribute all of this with that yet. He sounds a bit of a wrongun.
Loads of other celebs have been called out for sexting, or sending dick pics or having affairs and are called wronguns. Can't see the difference with HE really.
* This maybe have been bullshit but how old was that person and what was he paying them for....obvs the police say nothing illegal atm so must not have been 17. I assume that would be illegal?
I’m a bit surprised at the level of support on here for Huw.
What surprises me more is how the allegations against Huw Edwards has turned into a vilification of voters, even comparing them with Nazis.
Although it probably shouldn't surprise me.
Got to say, even as a very proud remain voter and Tory hater, I do get a bit sick of every thread becoming about Brexit or politics.
Surely this should be about the moral/legal actions of a highly paid news reader potentially abusing his position with young impressionable people.
Can someone explain what sort of power he's alleged to have abused? He's just a person. I haven't really followed the story, but what's the presumed source of his authority here to make any relationship inappropriate? Was the "victim" an intern or employee?
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Not playing with trolls.
I’m sure, that if the management at the beeb had had the slightest sniff of this sort of thing being rumoured about their top news reader, that he wouldn’t have been nailed on to present news of the queen’s death etc.
Oh I don’t know, I think Her Majesty would have had some respect for brazenly ignoring allegations of middle aged men behaving inappropriately with teenagers and hoping money and status could buy you out of trouble 😉
Can someone explain what sort of power he’s alleged to have abused?
Thats a follow up story about apparent misconduct with regards to bbc employees.
* This maybe have been bullshit but how old was that person and what was he paying them for….obvs the police say nothing illegal atm so must not have been 17. I assume that would be illegal?
It is not out of the bounds of possibility that the only illegal activity might have been on the part of the person providing the photos. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/21
I imagine investigations are still ongoing to rule out all possibilities. As stated above if nothing illegal, and not relevant for HR (no other BBC employees involved), then there will be no case to answer and it’s not in the public interest.previous cases have focussed on revelations of illegality, and I am sure the Sun believes this to be the case before backpedaling.
Employees is a different matter, but not relevant to the original story is it? So what is the abuse/power/misconduct angle here? I just don't get it. (Assuming not under age.)
I would have had him down as a bully rather than a sleaze, but you never can tell eh.
He was clearly a miserable sod anyway.
the Sun believes this to be the case before backpedaling
Quite. But the damage is done.
Awaits to see the shoot storm develop before making an opinion. Does appear he wasn't a very nice person given what's coming out.
It sounds as if the only people to have done anything wrong in this story might be the BBC!
I haven’t read the original sun article because I won’t add to their profits directly or indirectly…
but my understanding is that the original article said “paid for pictures when 17” but that their most recent wording is “paid for pictures” and “first met when 17”. Legally the two are rather different.
so,
- Huw, may have done some things which were poorly judged but not illegal. How much of the original allegations is true will remain to be seen (eg I would not be surprised if “crack cocaine addict” turns out to be sniffs a bit too much cocaine), nor would I be surprised if £35k is not all from HE (eg an only fans account - which the Sun/parents have not understood or chosen not to understand). It not being illegal doesn’t mean he did nothing wrong (if proven).
- the young person may have done nothing wrong with regard their involvement with HE but if they were an adult in law and we are to view the “transaction with HE” as purely professional then they’ve done something to breach his trust by sharing that with their parents. Of course if there is something sinister about the relationship that is likely justified but they are now denying any wrong doing.
- the parents have acted oddly. Their child’s denial makes their version all the more bizzare. Why that route to escalate things (first step might be to follow up with complaints, then the DG or another director, then an MP).
- the sun have sensationalised a story by implying things which were not quite right - as is their way. If they genuinely wanted the BBC to deal with it properly and ensure a due process was followed they would have given them time to do it after telling them they had a story
- the suns owners have hyped up the story on all its other channels.
- the BBC may have a case to answer around it’s investigation process BUT if we take at face value their response of replying to an email by email and phoning once to follow up, what level of response should be pursued for isolated, allegations from a person who is not actually claiming to be the victim and which don’t amount to illegality? How much of your license fee do you want spent chasing round after people who don’t reply to email or answer the phone?
- the police seem to have done a good job of quickly investigating, but it seems the matter was previously reported to them and they said then there was nothing they could do. Did they do enough then to help a worried relative who believes their young adult child was being exploited and led to a world of drug use?
- various MPs seem to have done a good job of stoking the fire without actually knowing any detail
- everyone here (including me) and on social media fanning the flames means this story carries on whilst far worse allegations against George Osborn go ignored, the government ****s up running the country and our Defence Minister says Ukraine should be more grateful!
so, I’m not sure how you get to the conclusion that the BBC are the only people who did anything wrong. Actually they seem to have mostly behaved reasonably if perhaps a bit slowly. (Of course we don’t know what more substantiated complaints they have from other people on other matters that took priority).
Employees is a different matter, but not relevant to the original story is it? So what is the abuse/power/misconduct angle here? I just don’t get it. (Assuming not under age.)
Public figure/celebrity and impressionable young people? IDK, it just doesn't sit right with me though. Maybe I'm wrong though, we'll see I suppose but If this was a footballer, I'm not sure there would be the same support.
the parents have acted oddly. Their child’s denial makes their version all the more bizzare.
If they were paid by the Sun not so bizarre, but so far I've not heard that they were.
far worse allegations against George Osborn go ignored
FYI - Private Eye have analysed the Osbourne allegations as misleading and the most-shocking bits as without evidence. They are usually happy to stick the boot into him, so I trust their judgement that it's a smear.
He's also engaged Harbottle and Lewis to point this out to media outlets. And the email was reported to some extent.
Public figure/celebrity and impressionable young people? IDK, it just doesn’t sit right with me though.
What, like Charles and Diana, celebrated joyously up and down the country? Even famous people are allowed to have sex lives, and age of consent is defined for a reason.
The Sun have now completely changed tack and issued a statement saying that they 'at no point alleged any criminality'
Erm.... I think you'd have to be stretching semantics to the absolute limit, and beyond, to make that claim
I know they carefully word everything so that they can weasel out of it should anyone have the huge amount of both time and funds to litigate. - the correct assumption usually being that they won't - but I can't see that assertion standing up to any reasonable legal examination in court.
The Sun are being very careful to now say they never said anything illegal had occurred (this is a lie, they did)
Sounds like the Sun's legal team are getting twitchy
IF the parents were paid for their stories then it could change things