[Closed] Hunting - for or against?

Fox hunting is a dilema as the theory of it is decent - the fox is killed an awful lot faster than being caught in a snare or with a non-fatal shot - the hunt only tends to catch the less fit foxes which are the ones that are more likely to scavenge and be a vermin problem.

So it depends whether you thing foxes need to be controlled.

Wait, hunting with hounds controls less-fit/sick foxes? Cite? Motorists kill more foxes than your fox-hunter. The fox hunt kills for 'sport' as per badger-baiting or bull-running. The fox is chased, bitten repeatedly, tossed in the air and disembowelled often while still alive. His tail is cut off as a 'trophy'. How is that 'decent'? Just because it's faster than snaring etc doesn't put it in the 'decent' category AFAIK. And foxes aren't vermin. Not legally, not in reality. Their populations are self-regulating (notwithstanding the 'help' from motorists) so I'm not sharing your 'dilemma' unless you have [s]some better[/s] evidence I might consider?

sbob - Member

ballsofcottonwool - Member

Hunting for food (personal consumption) - for

Hunting for sport - only for psychopaths

Precisely this.

Nope, that is a gross oversimplification.

I'm going to call an old friend (part of the Ashbourne Hunt Set that I used to ride with) and ask their opinion on current issues..
Noting like being informed from the horses mouth...

IME unless they are at the sharp (!) end of the hunt, ie in pink or digging foxes out, they are generally barely more informed than your average non-hunter about what goes on.

jimjam - Member

Nope, that is a gross oversimplification.

What do you need clarification of?
Should I have included a "no trebucheting pigeons" caveat or something?

sbob - take it how you like. The world isn't always as clear cut black and white as we would like it to be.

[i]IME Horse riders with dogs are some of the worst offenders for having poorly trained animals running amock.[/i]

Slightly irrelevant seeing as I don't own a dog, I only know one person that takes their dog riding and it rides 'on' the horse with its owner...

[i]This, for me, is in the same category as "Sorry my dog bit you, he doesn't like cyclists" or "My horse doesn't like traffic" or any other non-excuse for lack of proper control and training.[/i]

Its not the same though, is it? 'Oops, we joined in and had a canter with a few other horses in the countryside' has somehow become said horse 'running around on the loose biting childs faces, kicking people in the head and mauling their dogs? Said horse is fine in traffic, and loves riding with cyclists...because I often take my bike along.

When I state a fear of traffic, its exactly the same fear being on a bike...of someone flying round a corner and mowing down whoever is in their path.

I’m not going to wade through this thread, because I imagine there will be some pro hunting lunatics trying to justify their bullshit.

I’m not going to change their tiny little minds, they’re not going to change mine.

But **** ‘em. The horrible nasty ****ing ****s.

I'm pro hunting.

As someone much smarter than me pointed out elsewhere:

If it were a Christmas tradition for gangs of council estate youths to band together on boxing day to kick a couple of neighbourhood cats to death, we'd be up in arms.

We'd be appalled at the morality of these horrific thugs. Outraged at the sort of mind that could participate in such a barbaric practice.
We'd blame the parents, brand them insane, call for arrests and the harshest of penalties.

So I say keep hunting. Let these vile genetic throwbacks parade their predatory, reptilian characteristics for all to see.
Let these simple primates primp and preen and bray and guffaw as they crash around the countryside desperately trying to coax a hard on.

Let them do it 365 days a year so that we can discuss the sort of mind that would engage in such a barbaric practice.
Let us ponder on their skewed morality, and what the greater implications may be.

Let us blame the parents, brand them insane and call for arrests.

I think the Cockney rhyming slang exists for a reason. 🙂

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Some interesting discussion. I don't see hunting as any different to fishing or shooting. It's a country sport for those who choose to indulge. I'm willing to bet a lot of the meat we buy in supermarkets is not killed in a humane way.

Of course the Hunts should follow the law, but in reality couldn't parliamentary time be better spent on other issues? Having had the unfortunate experience to accompany a friend to a football match before Christmas, I could not believe the amount of swearing etc from the crowd, when there were families present. Just shows how people behave in different situations.

I'm willing to bet a lot of the meat we buy in supermarkets is not killed in a humane way.

Is it chased around the county side in fear of it's life for a few hours and then ripped to bits to die slowly?

Well that's where I completely disagree, it's premeditated cruelty /torture.

That is a big issue, and has nothing to do with buying a chicken at a supermarket, if there were chickens that cost £2 more that were humanely slaughtered, I'd happily pay more.

Hunting for food, for.

Hunting for bragging rights or sport, against.

On horses, fine with drag hunting but trail hunting can GTF.

Of course the Hunts should follow the law, but in reality couldn't parliamentary time be better spent on other issues? Having had the unfortunate experience to accompany a friend to a football match before Christmas, I could not believe the amount of swearing etc from the crowd, when there were families present. Just shows how people behave in different situations.

So they should waste time policing football matches against naughty words?

Of course the Hunts should follow the law,

We only have the anti’s hyperbolic claims that they don’t, there have been a slack handful (about 15) of sucessful prosecutions of Hunts under the act - spread over nearly three hundred hunts, over 13 years.

More pedestrians have been killed by cyclists

Breaking the law and being successfully prosecuted for it are very different things.

But you knew that already.

More pedestrians have been killed by cyclists

And of those how many were prosecuted? Its almost like you arent comparing like for like.

And of those how many were prosecuted?

not to worry in some of the hunt cases it was the foxes fault.

It's the same with all dog-fighting.

Nearly 5,000 calls about organised dog fighting in England and Wales have been made to the RSPCA since 2006, according to figures released to the BBC.
The charity said there had been a total of 137 convictions in the same period.

Obviously the other 4863 calls were from hyperbolic 'antis'. Nothing to see. Move along.

These blood-sportsmen, for instance:

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Police uncovered the gang after they seized Morrow's phone for an unconnected reason. On it they found three video clips from 2011 that depicted four dogs attacking and killing a cat, a judge at Belfast Crown Court said.

Judge McColgan added: "Dogs are blooded in this way in order to train them to fight with other animals in blood sports, including badgers, foxes or deer."

They walked away with suspended sentences. The antis must be gnashing their teeth with impotent rage, made worse by the laughter of the trolls intent on torturing them further.

It's all fun eh?

Against

Not read all five pages but I’m with Bill on this one. If it were one fox being chased by a Toff, that’d be fair

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