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or that spaghetti is harvested from pasta bushes?
What, wait, are you telling me that the documentary on this VERY subject was peddling falsehoods? To whom do I complain?
yup processed needs to be taken with a literal pinch of salt..
a free range chicken slaughtered and its meat butchered and made into bread covered nuggets is very different to a monstrously grown anti-biotically fuelled chicken which has its meat removed by scraping and chemical actions and made into a chicken nugget.
What, wait, are you telling me that the documentary on this VERY subject was peddling falsehoods? To whom do I complain?
Esther Rantzen, if memory serves.
yup processed needs to be taken with a literal pinch of salt..
I'm totally stealing that. 😂
… so what?
Eating ultra processed food for a long time is associated with some quite suboptimal conditions and outcomes. Scientists have said
Eating ultra processed food for a long time is associated with some quite suboptimal conditions and outcomes. Scientist have said
"Associated" or actually proven? What conditions? Which scientists?
People say lots of things, many of which are followed by "do your own research" or, pertinent to STW, "makes you think." You might well be correct, but you're going to have to do better than "yes but chemicals" or that really long word that's a fear of long words.
awwww, do I have to?
Well, no. But that's generally how science works.
Here's on from NLoM so actually not total shit
They say in the abstract:
of 43 studies reviewed, 37 found dietary UPF exposure associated with at least one adverse health outcome. Among adults, these included overweight, obesity and cardio-metabolic risks; cancer, type-2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases; irritable bowel syndrome, depression and frailty conditions; and all-cause mortality. Among children and adolescents, these included cardio-metabolic risks and asthma. No study reported an association between UPF and beneficial health outcomes.
I haven't got time to read the article until later but what does 'exposure' mean? I mean, any reasonable person would I think assume if you have an UPF meal once then your outcome will not be anything like someone who survives on microwave meals permanently.
Is me replacing my Tesco meal deal with a Huel 3 or 4 lunchtimes a week going to be a significant difference. I'll still be having porridge or a couple of eggs for breakfast and most of the time a 'raw ingredients' meal at dinner time?
They say in the abstract:
Save me the work and tell us what the definition of 'ultra processed' is please?
It's not something I'd buy, but have considered it many times, because the marketing is relentless.
It's always tempting, more convenience in life always is, and that is what is being sold. It isn't 'better' than good food, that's a pointless debate. They're selling convenience, and its heavily marketed that way.
I'm not a chef, but I am busy, but everytime I consider this product I can't allow myself to do it, why? Because convenience/easy/lazy is the root cause of my problems (especially diet), so why would I encourage that? It takes no more planning, effort, skill to throw a salad and some tuna/chicken in a box each day for my work lunch, than to buy and prep Huel. After work twice a week I drop in on the supermarket to pickup the few fresh things I need. I prep the night before. I get up slightly earlier to take the lunch out of my fridge, put it in a 'personal' sized cool box, and take it with me to work.
I may or may not be eating better by eating real foods (I genuinely don't know, or care) but I am practising good habits, and a bit of personal discipline, daily. And I can't 'buy' that.
I genuinely believe a constant drive to make life 'easier' is the cause of a lot of the problems in our lives/society, and I'd be a bloody hypocrite if I didn't question my judgement when considering certain products. I'm no saint, I am lazy as ****, but I'm trying to resist that.
Just my take, and I fully respect other people have different opinions. We're all grown ups, make up your own mind, and remember to be grateful for the fact we have the luxury of choice. 🙂
Save me the work and tell us what the definition of ‘ultra processed’ is please?
It's in the introduction, 4th paragraph down starting with NOVA.
This is a long read, I'll come back to it.
... it's probably also worth a separate thread rather than derailing this one any further.
Not everyone can be or wants to be a chef preparing super healthy meals three times a day. I mean well done, if you do, but besides the work of actual prep it takes planning, skill and knowledge to do. And sometimes that’s just more thing that sometimes people just cannot handle. So if it’s a choice between Huel and a sausage roll, which is better?
Don’t pile onto threads like these being all superior. It really grates tbh.
Abso-bloody-lutely. Drives me nuts this. You see it whenever someone starts a thread on vitamins, supplements etc. The same blowhards will instantly pipe up with IT'S A CON, YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM YOUR FOOD. Maybe we need to add a sticky/disclaimer to such threads saying something like "we assume the OP and interested contributors to this thread are not eating a balanced healthy diet".
My old gran was a sod for this, as wise as she was. I remember telling her I was trying Milk Thistle in an attempt to 'clean up' after years of being a big fat party animal. To which she predictably declared that it was a con and that I get everything I need from my diet. Had great fun later winding her up looking through the local kebab house menu for Milk Thistle Kebab and chips...
I've been using the hot meal Huel for around a year and whilst I may have it for WFH lunch only once or twice a week, I wouldn't choose to be without it.
I find it most beneficial on those days when I have a number of Teams meeting and don't have the wherewithal to organise a 'proper' lunch. It stops me going to the cupboard or 'fridge throughout the day a snacking on crapper stuff.
Can recommend the curry favour and the chilli. I always use weight to prepare.
Used huel a few years ago.
Liked it.
Liked the way it filled me up and didn't eat crap.
Used it for a few months
My guts hated it. Farts like nothing else. Cramps. Trots.
Just can't tolerate it.