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But is the timing right?
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Those bitchin recently about how "the Royal family don't do anything" would do well to pay attention here 🙂
yes perfect time a visit every hundred years to our nearest country
Graham going on holiday what a self sacrifice she has made for us [gawd bless er]. To show how much I admire this sacrifice I am going to do a tour of the Guniess factory at taxpayers expense
If you think this is a "holiday" then you have no concept of the history or symbolism involved here, not to mention the personal risk.
not to mention the personal risk.
Why is there any personal risk? Neither Brenda nor Great Britain has done anything wrong... 😕
Two bombs found now.
Those bitchin recently about how "the Royal family don't do anything" would do well to pay attention here
If you think this is a "holiday" then you have no concept of the history or symbolism involved here,
as a marxist historian, i'd be genuinely interested to hear you expand on those two points.
No - it's costing something in the region of 30 million Eur for the security at a time when 30 million Euro isn't available...
From a GB and Ireland relationship point of view it's a good thing in my opinion. It hasn't been talked about in my office (Co. Limerick) at all...
i'd be genuinely interested to hear you expand on those two points.
Okay. Here is a good example of them "doing something" (one of the 400 odd engagements she does a year) - the visit of the most famous 85 year old granny in the world is a huge statement of how far relations between Britain and Ireland have come.
Can you honestly say that it would be as symbolic if David Cameron had popped over for a visit?
Would the press be talking about it if he did?
trailmonkey - Memberas a marxist historian, i'd be genuinely interested to hear you expand on those two points.
You're not Eric Hobsbawm by any chance are you trailmonkey ?
'Cause if you are, can I say firstly how impressed I am that you are still writing and having books published at 94 years of age, and secondly, how the hell do you still manage to ride your bike off-road on single track stuff ?
If you think this is a "holiday" then you have no concept of the history or symbolism involved here, not to mention the personal risk
you think it is not risky to send a teetotaller to a guiness factory 😉
yes it is an example but it is also an example of how we are still repairing the damage done by her ancestors to said country. Nearly 100 years after we partioned the country it does look like the natives have calmed down a bit about this.
The Plantation of Ulster (Irish: Plandáil Uladh) was the organised colonisation (plantation) of Ulster—a province of Ireland—by people from Great Britain. Private plantation by wealthy landowners began in 1606,[1] while official plantation controlled by King James I of England and VI of Scotland began in 1609. All land owned by Irish chieftains of the Uí Néill and Uí Domhnaill (along with those of their supporters) was confiscated and used to settle the colonists. This land comprised an estimated half a million acres (4,000 km²) in the counties Tyrconnell, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Cavan, Coleraine and Armagh.[2] Most of the counties Antrim and Down were privately colonised.[1]The "British tenants",[3] a term applied to the colonists,[4] were mostly from Scotland and England. They were required to be English-speaking and Protestant.[5] The Scottish colonists were mostly Presbyterian[3] and the English mostly Anglicans. The Plantation of Ulster was the biggest of the Plantations of Ireland. Ulster was colonised to prevent further rebellion, as it had been the region most resistant to English control during the preceding century
I think there may be some distance to travel still in finding a solution to these historical diffculties
Yes,but,as one of my favourite Fascist dictators said,"a thousand mile journey starts with a single step".
You're not Eric Hobsbawm by any chance are you trailmonkey
Oh I'd wish for the intellectual capacity. In truth I've not read him. Raphael Samuel on the other hand...........
fwiw, I used the term 'marxist historian' to describe the process of viewing history by way of class struggle rather than studying marx himself.
Good to see
Usual set of Neanderthals about but all in all a positive step.
Yes,but,as one of my favourite Fascist dictators said,"a thousand mile journey starts with a single step".
Lao Tzu was a fascist dictator ?
Those Chinese seem to have invented everything well before everyone else, including fascist dictatorships 6 centuries BC.
Lao Tze first?,darn i thought it was Mao Ze Dung.
Mao Zedong was a fraudster. So he probably said it as well.
Did anybody else hear David Baddiel on 5 Live this afternoon, saying that the only reason this visit got the live media coverage it did was because they found the anticipation that a bomb might go off during the visit "exciting"?