[Closed] Health and safety gone mad .

Craven face is my hero leave him alone.

Water was deep enough for him to drown should he slip, bang his head and become unconscious. This scenario has probably prompted the use of the life jacket I would imagine.
Wiser after the event/hindsight etc... 💡
http://www.drowningpreventionweek.org.uk/about-the-campaign/about-rlss-uk/

I liked the foraging article.

"If everyone started doing it then countryside would suffer"

Let's not panic yet then.

Surely he was in greater need of a crash helmet.

No the risks of rotational forces is too great.

Assume someone in his position did have an accident and drowned, what would the outcome be for his employer?

I didn't see this week's Country File but I do know that the countryside is full of hidden dangers :

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Never watched it but if it was a person from the Environment Agency? then they always put life jackets on while on tv no matter how deep it is.

Looks like a sign left over from a race.

zippykona - Member

Did anyone see that guy up to his ankles on Country file with the life jacket?
Craven really took his life in his hands sitting on the side of that stream.

They could be going down stream later on where it could be deeper? No?

As for the Signal crayfish ...

http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/

Get them all reported....mythbusters are great at picking up silly HSE stuff.

Bizzarre happening at 4:24 in that video

Bizzarre happening at 4:24 in that video

now that looks light a lot of fun but may well need a risk assessment

matt_outandabout - Member
> http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/

Get them all reported....mythbusters are great at picking up silly HSE stuff.

What a great site, if only the Daily Mail didn't have it blocked

Water was deep enough for him to drown should he slip, bang his head and become unconscious. This scenario has probably prompted the use of the life jacket I would imagine.

You could drown in an inch of water. I guess you spend a lot of time in doors, and away from sinks, when it's raining?

I work for the EA and the rule is that a life jacket is worn whenever you are working on or around water. The (very nice) ones we are supplied with are designed to keep you upright if you are knocked out while in the water.
In reality everyone wears them in such situations as we all recognise how important they could be. You are held responsible for using your PPE when you think it is necessary - when you are working IN water it's always worn. However If I am walking next to a tiny stream just checking it out I might not wear my life jacket as I can justify it's not necessary, which would be fine.

In a TV interview all EA PPE is normally worn anyway I've noticed. It's probably done to show good water safety practices. To be honest if the interviewed person does that sort of job all the time it'll be put on automatically every morning they are in the field. You barely know you're wearing them anyway, they are really nicely fitted and comfortable.

Sensible answer trumps thread title.

As a rule, if someone says something's "because of health and safety" it almost never is, it's either a) a convenient excuse or b) just bollocks.

My brother does a lot of working at moderate heights, he used to moan about fall arrest etc til a colleague says "don't gear for the height you expect to work at, gear for the height you'll clamber up to on the spur of the moment". Same sort of thing with water.

You could take it a step further and say John Craven should have worn a life jacket.
The guy in the water could have worn a rescue harness/rope.
A rescue plan should/would have been in place and all people trained in said rescue procedures 😉

John Craven may well have been offered one to wear. It would have been up to him or the BBC as to whether he wore one or not.
Normally I would assume that if anyone is working for the EA then they would be required to use (and may be provided with) the same level of PPE as the EA use and expected to follow their recommendations and instructions for its use. In this case the BBC would not be doing this so they would follow their own H&S guidelines/rules.

Well like some hear I saw the interview. JC commented on the jacket, and the EA chap said JC didn't need one as JC wasn't going near the water. Seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

I work for the EA and I never wear mine unless its above knee deep unless i'm alone then its different and always wear them while on a boat. They are also not guaranteed to right you up the right way when it does goes off.
When doing a water safety refresher at Nottingham white water centre mine never went off till I was nearly the other side of the river.

One of mine is the body warmer style and it is nice to wear when the weather gets a bit colder like doing speed boat refresher in the middle of January across the middle of Rutland water 😕

I liked the foraging article.

"If everyone started doing it then countryside would suffer"

Let's not panic yet then.

As a rule, if someone says something's "because of health and safety" it almost never is, it's either a) a convenient excuse or b) just bollocks.

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