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is that what we are all doing is it?
or do you just need to roll your eyes at some sector of society so you feel young and rad.
"surely most of us fall into that category ?"
Few of us excell at anything, but few are so pitiful to be concerned to such a degree at what a herd of she-cows care about any aspect of our pitiful existence. And it's even worse if he/she considers them "friends". And it's worse still to post he/she's concerns on a public forum, there for the suckling whelp to discover in ten year's time should nobody decide to wipe out the forum again over any time over that period should the moderator insult a contributing member, for example.
but few are so pitiful to be concerned to such a degree at what a herd of she-cows care about any aspect of our pitiful existence
it take it you actually mean women ?
there for the suckling whelp to discover in ten year's time
would a child be so damaged to know its mother cared about it ?
I think sodafarls is just bitter that he will never reach the dizzy heights of such mediocrity!
My eldest was breastfed for fourteen months, my youngest for eleven.
For all the things I'd criticise my psycho ex for -she was a bloody trooper for this, feeding through mastitis, teeth and everything, but she was committed to breastfeeding, and gave it 100%
I'd say your missus has something to be really, really proud of, and those being shocked, or criticising her for extended feeding are probably doing so because, deep down, they realise that, and feel inferior.
"it take it you actually mean women ?"
Yes I do, but I suppose some "men" may exhibit the same fundamental failings.
"would a child be so damaged to know its mother cared about it ? "
It may well be damaged to discover the effeminacy exhibited by the OP.
I'm of the opinion that anyone who either cares about the supposed issues raised by the OP, or would feel inclined to bleat about it rather than laugh at the pathetic Stepford Wives scenario, is a T.W.A.T. And if that includes you, well please accept my most insincere apologies.
sfb -
FYI this thread would be much shorter if all the I-couldn't-care-lessers hadn't contributed
You of all people should know the second your press the [publish] button on your computer, your little prose becomes analysed and critcised from every angle and the little devils advocate comes a creeping out from the readership. So why publish - if you're not prepared for this?
On the other hand had these words been spoken face-to-face you wouldn't get nearly the same level of response.
This is nothing to do with Breast is Best vs. Cow & Gate. It's about the [i]written[/i] word.
Publish and be damned.
you do care and you are bleating. 😆
I don't see why anyone has to be upset, or to impute inferiority. The original blog post discussed varying opinions anonymously (apart from the author herself) and non judgementally. People are free to choose to breastfeed or not, depending on convenience, practicality and opinion of what is best, and coming to different conclusions is not offensive in itself
You of all people should know the second your press the [publish] button on your computer, your little prose becomes analysed and critcised from every angle and the little devils advocate comes a creeping out from the readership. So why publish - if you're not prepared for this?
so what? I'm also the last to be cowed by criticism, but I agree the real subject is not breastfeeding but the extent to which people can take offence at the expressed opinions of another, when they're not even critical, just different.
"coming to different conclusions is not offensive in itself"
Wow! We Agree!
And your opinion on getting all upset about The Stepford Wives reading ones daily poo blog? Or getting upset about a "friend's" blog detailling the tedious minutae of mediocre adulthood?
That is what I posted about after all. I'm not interested in breastfeeding to be honest.
. I'm not interested in breastfeeding to be honest.
yeah, we got that!
It's a sensitive subject the OPs wife was commenting on. So the slightest differences in opinion are highlighted and exacerbated in the written word...
ny chance of a bit of detail on what it is that defines you as the uber elite of the adult world then?
ny chance of a bit of detail on what it is that defines you as the uber elite of the adult world then?
I think it's this:
I had an 05 or 06 subway 8 (that came with a Nexus hub and Nexave drum brakes). [...] It was a bit heavy when carrying it up and down six flights of stairs to my flat everyday, but made a great reliable commuter.
Pure warrior on the edge of time. DMT on toast every morning and hunts for tea with crossbow in park. Certainly not anything like someone, "[i]detailling the tedious minutae of mediocre adulthood?[/i]"
FFS I think i may be falling into life like theirs? My wife suggested last night that we get a 'Family Planner'. I suggested taht maybe the calendar that's hanging in the kitchen's fine but apparently there's a difference. Glad i still smoke the herb to keep me sane.
"I'm of the opinion that anyone who either cares about the supposed issues raised by the OP, or would feel inclined to bleat about it rather than laugh at the pathetic Stepford Wives scenario, is a T.W.A.T. And if that includes you, well please accept my most insincere apologies."
Reading that it appears that im referring to SFB.
That simply is not true.
It refers to everybody on this forum cowed by the dictates of the neurotic way of life and the barking she-seals basking on the rocks of reality.
I'm of the opinion that anyone who either cares about the supposed issues raised by the OP, or would feel inclined to bleat about it rather than laugh at the pathetic Stepford Wives scenario, is a T.W.A.T. And if that includes you, well please accept my most insincere apologies.
supposed issues ? Supposed by whom ? I don't like the harsh undercurrent of misogyny in sodafarls posts, though I'll admit that the matter raised by the OP isn't very significant.
OOOOH!... Andrewf/heathenwood seems annoyed about something I've said. Maybe a few old parts for his next charity bike could patch things up? Or a Comus bootleg?
It's funny though, how some some people can get by with cheap bikes they've purchased for themselves and be happy with it.
1) I have nothing good to say but I am interested when is the trend to stop breast feeding? Some say 6 months and others say 2yrs accord to the W.H.O.
Is there a norm? Probably not.
2) Well if you blog -some will agree and some will not agree with your Wife's comments-you have to be aware of this! Look at STW!
3) If they are your friends-well you'll still be pals after a minor disagreement.
4) If you wife was annoyed she should have said something then and not behind their back- is that what your friends are saying?
5) Some ppl will make comments that annoy you. Just ignore it or say something or stop hanging around with them.
6) Get new friends. (Last option but it shouldn't get that past 3).
7) Life is too short-concentrate on baby's health, nutrition and poopy.
8) Thanks for posting-I'm definately buying a car than having babies. 😈
oh right soda just trolling then.how boring.
lol at zaskar just keep pushing till she runs dry mate 😉 take her a brew in bed some mornings.
it will be fine.
-I'm definately buying a car than having babies
good call, for a start it's way cheaper 🙂
"I don't like the harsh undercurrent of misogyny in sodafarls posts"
I am a misogynist, I said as much a long time ago. I'm a Misandrist too. I don't eat dairy as it brings me out in hives.
I don't like the undercurrent of IT professional in SFB's posts, but I don't feel inclined to tell everyone.
By the way, what kind of person sends a text to say that they are upset?
This morning I get a text from a mate (the one expecting twins) saying how upset he is, and if we had anything to say, why didn't we say it to his face?
Should have replied 'if you are so upset, why can't you say it to my face' 😈
"I don't like the harsh undercurrent of misogyny in sodafarls posts"I am a misogynist, I said as much a long time ago. I'm a Misandrist too. I don't eat dairy as it brings me out in hives.
I don't like the undercurrent of IT professional in SFB's posts, but I don't feel inclined to tell everyone.
Well I hate you all but I don't say it all the time 😉
grumm - Member
By the way, what kind of person sends a text to say that they are upset?This morning I get a text from a mate (the one expecting twins) saying how upset he is, and if we had anything to say, why didn't we say it to his face?
Should have replied 'if you are so upset, why can't you say it to my face'
Nope, Just give him a glass of milk to cheer him up. 😆
Relax folks!
Op-yeah the guy is upset so have a quick chat and laugh it off. Tell him it wasn't a dig.
Why do I keep thinking of womens breasts now?
Why do men have nipples? can men breast feed? I know women can generate milk if stimulated over time?
Visualises Family guy moment with Peter Griffin...
Why am I here? I must be bored! reads cycling plus in bed...
Signs out... :O)
"Why do men have nipples?"
I think it may be due to the fact that we are all female for a while in the womb, and only a chosen minority then evolve into males before birth.
I don't like the undercurrent of IT professional in SFB's posts, but I don't feel inclined to tell everyone.
the difference being that I'm like this by choice, not irrevocable genetic determination. I humbly apologise for the horrors inflicted upon humanity by arrogant programmers (of which I am one)
and only a chosen minority then evolve into males before birth
it's not evolution, it's a hormonal process.
I am growing to despise mountain bikers. been away from STW for a while and come back to this makes me realise how sad a bunch we are. You're all a load of b*tches
especially you simon. you make me wanna puke
no offense
most of the folk on here dont ride bikes 8)
especially you simon. you make me wanna puke
I'd like to say it was mutual but I think you're a fine fellow and a great mountain biker :o) You have my sympathy for your delicate constitution...
no offense
none taken 🙂
"it's not evolution, it's a hormonal process."
No, Chuck is correct, Simon is wrong.
And Bomberman, I love you.
OOOOH!... Andrewf/heathenwood seems annoyed about something I've said.
Not annoyed just all smileyfaced at your mighty and superior tone; hubris aint pretty 🙂
I love you too Bomberman, you tell it like it is!
No, Chuck is correct, Simon is wrong
I had no idea evolution was so quick - I suppose I should be pleased I only have the two heads...
"Not annoyed just all smileyfaced at your mighty and superior tone; hubris aint pretty"
What, smileyfaced at my brotherly advice regarding inexpensive commuters?
I tell you what, next time I'll suggest he post on STW and see if he can get a roadrat or something a bit more "Ted Nugent" together from donations.
Or do you have a problem with my posts on this thread? Surely you could at least indicate where I've gone wrong? That's the point of posting after all.
Simon has some good points/comments now and again.
Most people here mess about and are alot nicer in public.
I think it's combo of genes and hormones but some papers cite that embryos are non sex and even men have breast tissue but not enough estrogen to grow full breats but moobs grow when you have fatty liver-interfers with estrogen not broken down.
Ok I'm sticking to the bike forum-bit more friendly in there.
simon is a top poster in my view. someone with whom you agree whole heartedly one day and think that he's a c*ck the next.what more can you possibly ask from a forum regular?
The breastfeeding proponents are very good at making otherwise adequate mothers feel depressed.
It is also a very class based thing, middle class mothers tend to, and feel guilty about it when they can't, mothers from the lower socio-economic classes tend not to, and not feel so guilty about it. There is a definite element of snobbery amongst some middleclass parents who manage to breast feed their offspring until weaning, with a certain competitive element imagining that in some way there are huge benefits to their children, where there aren't.
Breast feeding is very important in the third world where clean water to make formula milk is hard to come by, in this country, the advantage is not so great. It is debatable how long you have to breast feed for for your child to accrue the benefits, but it's probably not a huge length of time (I think somewhere from 6 weeks to 3 months from memory).
I had no idea evolution was so quick
Chuck used the word "evolve" which a quick check in my dictionary suggests the it means [i]"to develop gradually"[/i]
Now I vaguely remember something from a childhood biology lesson which iirc, stated that the sex of a foetus is determined at the moment of conception - something to do with XX and XY chromosomes I believe. The sexual organs then gradually develop accordingly.
All of which would suggest that Chuck is correct and you are wrong SFB. Of course on the other hand I might be wrong.
^^^At last, some sense around here.
All if which would suggest that Chuck is correct and you are wrong SFB
sorry, the default human form is female, and without the hormones triggered by the Y chromosome that's what develops - though note that some genetic males have a defect in their androgen (male making) sensitivity that causes them to develop a superficially normal female body although they possess rudimentary testicles (like that African athlete in the news last month perhaps).
BTW are you saying 2 heads [b]isn't[/b] normal ??
It's possible for an XY genotype person to exhibit XX phenotype characteristics - hermaphrodytism. As ever, what you were taught at school was vastly oversimplyfied.
Learn something new everyday on stw!
Caster eh?
bitty ?
Can we get back on topic please?
The breastfeeding proponents are very good at making otherwise adequate mothers feel depressed.
It is also a very class based thing, middle class mothers tend to, and feel guilty about it when they can't, mothers from the lower socio-economic classes tend not to, and not feel so guilty about it. There is a definite element of snobbery amongst some middleclass parents who manage to breast feed their offspring until weaning, with a certain competitive element imagining that in some way there are huge benefits to their children, where there aren't.
Breast feeding is very important in the third world where clean water to make formula milk is hard to come by, in this country, the advantage is not so great. It is debatable how long you have to breast feed for for your child to accrue the benefits, but it's probably not a huge length of time (I think somewhere from 6 weeks to 3 months from memory).
Every last bit of this post is total sh*te.
Can we get back on topic please?
I assumed we'd sucked all the flavour out of that...
hermaphodytism
Yeah I think we were talking about the "norm". I believe that 1 in 10,000 people are born with their organs the "wrong" way round, but I still think it's correct to say that humans have their hearts on the left side.
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"[i]BTW are you saying 2 heads isn't normal ?? [/i]"
Well it all depends SFB ....... how many heads do the other members of your family have ?
What about those individuals with their "organs" on their head?
babe
your self-satisfied preciousness makes me feel completely:
😡
nonk - on what are you basing that comment?
Yeah I think we were talking about the "norm".
and the norm is that half the default female-form bodies develop slightly differently to become obviously male. It's interesting that embryology recapitulates phylogeny, and we start off as a ball of cells which then elongates to form a small worm, then a gilled form with a tail, then the fins develop into limbs and the tail is mostly reabsorbed. Sexual differentiation takes place only after a small ape form has developed 🙂
"the tail is mostly reabsorbed."
Speak for yourself mate!
HOHOHOHHHHHOHOHOHHOHOH!
simonfbarnes - Memberthe norm is that half the default female-form bodies develop slightly differently to become obviously male.
Which imo sounds remarkably like :
[i]" we are all female for a while in the womb, and only a chosen minority then evolve into males before birth."[/i]
In other words, the comment which Chuck made and you chose to challenge 😕
The condition whereas a genotypical/genetic male appears phenotypically female is know as 'testicular feninisation'.
hermaphrodites are different - they have both male and female reproductive organs.
Now, for 10 points can anyone name me a famous 'testicular female' at all? Quick clue - she looks dead hot in true lies.......
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Calm down,calm down.
Ian
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and we start off as a ball of cells which then elongates to form a small worm, then a gilled form with a tail, then the fins develop into limbs and the tail is mostly reabsorbed. Sexual differentiation takes place only after a small ape form has developed
erm... can I be sick AGAIN now..! Euguuuughhh... Babies are just not right. At all. 😕
how very modern...........he texts you to tell you he's upset about your wifes blog
whatever happened to just phoning up, asking what the **** she was on about, and clearing it all up there and then..........texting.....i suppose he even complained in text speak!
not Tia Carrere?
sfb -
I humbly apologise for the horrors inflicted upon humanity by arrogant programmers (of which I am one)
I've just caught up with your posts this morning - are you being a deliberate parody of Mr Logic?
I would imagine he really thinks/writes/talks like that.
and only a chosen minority then evolve into males before birth."
well, I'd also question "chosen" as it's a fairly random process, and "minority" a it's thankfully roughly 50/50, but my point was that this is not the normal species evolution where genetic change takes place through mutation but merely the expression of the already formed genotype. They are both gradual changes but one is many millions of times slower than the other
I would imagine he really thinks/writes/talks like that.
more or less, except one has more time to pick the exact words in the written form
erm... can I be sick AGAIN now..! Euguuuughhh... Babies are just not right. At all.
alarming as it may seem, under our relatively inoffensive skins we are made of meat, bone and an alarming variety of slimes, jellies, tubes and stringy bits. Amazingly all that stuff clings together in a more or less coherent whole for a lifetime.
kramer.
Just real life stuff like being raised in a caravan and being breast fed not at all middle class.A mrs that breast fed and somehow found away not to make any other mothers feel bad.the fact that groth charts for babies are all over the show as they used formular fed babies as the mean and low and behold they are little fatties.And some science stuff about how they are mre prone to obesity but to be fair i tend not to read to much into that stuff as it forms your opinions for you and turns you into someone that spouts sh*te with confidence. 😉
well, I'd also question "chosen" as it's a fairly random process, and "minority" a it's thankfully roughly 50/50, but my point was that this is not the normal species evolution where genetic change takes place through mutation but merely the expression of the already formed genotype. They are both gradual changes but one is many millions of times slower than the other
Why don't you just say "embryo [i]develop[/i], species [i]evolve[/i]"?
chosen minority then evolve
I wouldn't be happy to see this terminology on any scientific paper.
Well done sfb. 🙂
Now, for 10 points can anyone name me a famous 'testicular female' at all?
from what I've found that is an unsubstantiated urban legend
Why don't you just say "embryo develop, species evolve"?
cheers, I wish I'd just said that too 🙂
Haha this thread has taken an interesting tangent. 🙂
Ok nonk, well I'm basing it on my experience in paediatrics and obstetrics and gynaecology, my reading and understanding of the research, and conversations with colleagues and close friends, one of whom is a neonatologist.
The comment about mothers being made to feel guilty is based on having seen and treated quite a few mothers with post natal depression, not helped by their feelings of guilt at not being able to breast feed.
The comment about class and breast feeding is well documented in this country.
The comment about most of the advantages of breast feeding being in third world countries without access to clean water is also well documented.
The correlation with formula feeds and obesity is not as clear cut as the advocates like to make out, and the effect also comes quite early on.
Don't get me wrong, there are advantages in breast feeding, but they're not as huge as some like to say, and there has been little proof of much benefit past six months, probably more like three months.
mate i dont care how well documented it is.
i dont care who has what job title and says this so it must be true.
my real life day to day experience of it does not correlate.
i live in north west wales most of my mates have kids most of them dont have a pot to piss in and most of them breast feed.
i dont see middle class mums breast feeding i see them pointlessly f*cking about with steralizer bottle kits in starbucks.
ooh what do you think dear is it the right temp? dont know but the stuff in your nork is just right.
of course folks in third world countrys breastfeed.why wouldnt they.
surely the qaulity and benefits of the milk are dependant on the mothers diet. so who has control the formular factory or you.
seing as you are so well connected in this area maybee you could show me how formular stands up next to colostrum as i notice this little part of the issue is never considered.
Amazing, from someone taking umbrage to a blog to human foetal development in under 4 pages. Only on STW!!!
At risk of being blasted for oversimplification, the female of the species evolved with the ability to produce children, produce hormones that stimulate milk production and an innate sense to nurture. They have 'tooters' to feed babies and supply a high quality product. Breast feeding is amazing at bonding with your baby with the 'let-down' reflex gushing love and pints of milk. I fed my 3 for varying lengths of time, my last for 16 months as he failed to thrive when we started weaning. He knew the good stuff. Bf for as long as your baby wants it, (prob not to bitty stage tho'!) they tend to stop themselves when there's a choice of food and drink. Don't put time limits on feeding, relax about it. Formula milk has it's place but it's not natural. It's (British) society's perceptions about breast feeding that requires examination and the free milk scheme should be reviewed. Midwives and Health visitors IMHO don't encourage what come naturally, tick a box on a form and run with it. BF takes time and IME women don't feed as they want to return to work, go out and resume a life they had before kids. They are also put under pressure from other family, friends which is just wrong. I accept some women can't feed.
Nestle, and formula milk in the 3rd world, ask yourself why they push it. Profit?
I could go on......
This thread is really getting on my tits now! 🙄
shakes teagirl firmly by the hand.
This thread is really getting on my tits now!
Well, it's a very sensitive area. 🙂
We [i]could[/i] move the debate onto disposable nappies? NCT classes? Nature vs nurture? Cranial massage and the merits of a bug-a-boo?
Lets talk about bikes! cycles to the other forum...
If nothing else I find your wife's writing style extremely grating. "Babe", "mummies", what the ****, is she 5 years old?