[Closed] Happy Birthday Ma'am

Threads about the monarchy are always good fun.......if somewhat predictable.

True - but some poor taste on a 90th too (ironically matched by Princely outrage elswhere) - but you were on a higher level altogether - bravo!

Ok Edukator's Hollande/EIIR montage pushed you hard.

And lets not forget that tourists wouldn't come to Britain if it wasn't for the Queen.

Th Beatles bring in £82m a year in tourism money to Liverpool, and 3/4 of them are dead. Clearly the answer is to make all of S Club 7 kings and queens.

https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/news/beatles-heritage-reports

Th Beatles bring in £82m a year in tourism money to Liverpool, and 3/4 of them are dead.

Ringo has died? Bollox...... 2016 is turning out to be a proper crap year.

So, I expect all the nay Sayers on 'ere to be hard at work whilst those of us with a more sympathetic view of the Royals take a few days off to mourn the loss of her majesty when she finally croaks. Right?

I mean, God bless you for keeping the country going at such a hard time. (am I allowed to say God?).

P.S.
Perchypanther wins the thread with that there pic above.

Well, of course - though if the Diana grief-fest was anything to go by, the country will shut down for a month. I'd better start stocking up on food and find a backup generator.

I can assure you - unless its a BH in which case work will shut down that I will not be taking a moment to reflect on her passing never mind any time of work to grieve. I am sure she is lovely and all that but it wont make me sad.

On the plus side you get to celebrate a new King as well so you can get all proud again soon enough

I wont take time off for that either but you know free world - well except of course none of us can ever be the monarch.

whilst those of us with a more sympathetic view of the Royals take a few days off to mourn the loss of her majesty when she finally croaks.

Well if you're going to claim that you will be so devastated and overcome with grief when she dies that you will need a few days off work, then I would suggest that you use a more respectful term than [i]"when she finally croaks".[/i]

Just to make it sound more convincing 💡

And lets not forget that tourists wouldn't come to Britain if it wasn't for the Queen.

Aren't we the only country in the top 10 visited countries with a monarchy?

France
US
Spain
China
Italy
Turkey
Germany
UK
Russia
Mexico

All these republics and stuff seem to be doing well without them. In fact France gets over twice as many visitors as us. And how come Germany gets more? Who goes to Germany? If they had a German royal family they could be raking it in. Come to think of it, I know where we can find some... 😆

Aren't we the only country in the top 10 visited countries with a monarchy?

And why do you think tourists come if it isn't for the possibility of getting a glimpse of Her Majesty through one of Buckingham Palaces windows........for the weather and culinary delights ffs?

slimjim78 - Member

So, I expect all the nay Sayers on 'ere to be hard at work whilst those of us with a more sympathetic view of the Royals take a few days off to mourn the loss of her majesty when she finally croaks.

Nah, we'll be like all the non-christians at christmas- we'll have a nice holiday without bothering with any of the hard work.

Aren't we the only country in the top 10 visited countries with a monarchy?

What a joyous day and they even organised lovely weather - the Windsors put on a good show.

To end as I started - Happy Birthday Ma'am

for the weather and culinary delights ffs?

See my question about Germany. 😆

captainsasquatch - Member
Aren't we the only country in the top 10 visited countries with a monarchy?

No, no were are not.

Damn, forgot about Spain. Stupid - all those crowds waiting for a glimpse of [s]Queen[/s] King erm, whatsisface..

Damn, forgot about Spain. Stupid - all those crowds waiting for a glimpse of [s]Queen[/s] King erm, whatsisface..

Best wishes. Exceptional Monarch

She's no Edward VII though

On balance I'd rather have the 56p

It's Felipe and it still doesn't hide the flaw in the argument either.

The wonder of modern technology, isn't it? If I'd wanted his name I could have googled it at the very same time as I was writing that reply. 😉

I dont mind the royal family to a point, but the queen is hardly an outstanding monarch imo. I think she comes across as aloof and a bit of a torn faced disaster quite honestly.

My gran was someone I had a lot more respect for, and I did not shoot my wad when the weather was nice on her 90'th birthday.

And why do you think tourists come if it isn't for the possibility of getting a glimpse of Her Majesty through one of Buckingham Palaces windows........for the weather and culinary delights ffs?

We could give it a test. Broadcast on American and Japanese TV that the whole royal family had choked to death in a freak foie gras accident whilst watching the polo but secretly round them all up and stash them in the Tower. Watch the tourist figures for a year or two and if they really have taken a dip roll them back out with a big 'surprise' and watch tourism boom ; if not go all french on their asses to reduce upkeep.

I notice nobody seems to visit France for their holidays any more, ever since that nasty business...

She won the lottery when it came to being pushed out of a vagina, I'll give her that.

People go to Framce for many reasons however one of them is to visit the Royal Palaces which the state still pays to maintain them except now of course there is no royal familiy living there.

Yes. So how do we quantify how many visitors travel to a country to see the various things? Versailles gets 6m per year visitors, apparently. Almost a fifth of total visitors to the UK. Not bad for a dead family.

In comparison the highest rated tourist attraction in Britain with a royal connection, other than cathedrals and so on, is the Tower with 3m, followed by Edinburgh Castle! The museums massively overshadow the royal sites, and even the library of Birmingham gets more visitors than Hampton Court.

This doesn't break down foreign tourists v natives, or numbers of tourists gawping at Buckingham Palace, of course.

So, I expect all the nay Sayers on 'ere to be hard at work whilst those of us with a more sympathetic view of the Royals take a few days off to mourn the loss of her majesty when she finally croaks. Right?

Why is she so massively rich. Why don't we make a deal to keep them in the style they've become accustomed. But they have no private wealth or income. It's not like liz will ever need to dip into her savings for a wee holiday.

Exactly, if we have to have a royal family, I'm much more a fan of the understated Danish style:

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That's a princess taking her kids to school.

Cmon, Ben, dont be fooled just because she's got an expensive niche handbuilt cargo bike! 😉

An understated princess with an understated fur coat and diamond tiara:

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Who lives in an understated council house:

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The Queen is a Nazi lol

TBF I wasn't claiming the queen is a nazi, more that she heads up a family who in the 30s had very clear links to the nazis which to this day we still don't know the whole truth about. The queen is complicit in whatever has happened to keep this information from the public. She could quite easily allow the release of all the documents, letters and other material which implicates her uncle and others in the royal establishment but she chooses not to.

TBF I wasn't claiming the queen is a nazi

TBF you said : [i]"she's gone 60 years without the royal family's support for the nazis ever becoming a major issue?"[/i] which is clearly suggesting that the Royal Family are Nazi supporters.

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we still don't know the whole truth

Don't we?

Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer ........ I thought everyone knew that?

Don't we?

We should also consider [url= http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2015_08_04_Royal_Nazis.html ]Phil the Greek's ties[/url]...

The fact is that the Queen’s consort is a born-and-bred Nazi, educated at a Nazi school, and closely related to several high-ranking Nazis. [b]At the time Princess Elizabeth was practicing her Nazi salute, her future husband was attending the Hitler Youth’s Schloss Salem school near Lake Constance, in Germany, whose curriculum featured Nazi “race science”[/b]. [b]After a year at Schloss Salem, Philip attended the Gordonstoun school in Scotland, founded by Kurt Hahn, who’d also started Schloss Salem.[/b] (Part-Jewish, Hahn had left the Germany for Scotland after falling out with the SS, but he came to support the “centrist” elements of the Nazi Party, and used his position as an adviser to the British Foreign Office to urge an appeasement policy.) [b]Philip and Elizabeth would send all of their children to Hahn’s Gordonstoun school[/b].
[b]
Three of Philip’s brothers-in-law were part of a group of German aristocrats who were Anglophiles and Nazis at the same time[/b]. Most notably, Philip’s sister Sophie married Prince Christoph of Hesse, who joined the Nazi Party in 1933; he became a colonel in the SS on Himmler’s personal staff, part of a division that was involved in the infamous 30 June to 2 July 1934 murder spree to purge Hitler’s political rivals and opponents called the Night of the Long Knives. Christoph and Sophie named their eldest son, Karl Adolph—Prince Charles’s first cousin—after Hitler.
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Philip’s uncle and sponsor, Lord Louis Mountbatten (originally von Battenberg, a branch of the German noble family Hesse), the man who arranged the marriage of the present Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, was a central figure in the Nazi-British back channel during the 1930s[/b]. [b]Lord Mountbatten maintained secret channels of communication with the British Royals’ Nazi cousins in Germany through much of WWII, via his sister[/b], and Philip’s aunt, Louise, who was the eugenics-supporting crown princess of Sweden.

Kronberg castle, the location of the Royal correspondence that Elizabeth’s parents secretly despatched Anthony Blunt to retrieve after the war, was the home of Philip’s sister Sophie and her SS husband Christoph.

[b]
Surely we should all be privy to just what was so important about the papers in Kronberg Castle, which Owen Morshead and Anthony Blunt were sent to recover[/b]?

Didn't he sort of, you know, fight against them in the navy?

So they say... there again, Philip's relative [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bernhard_of_Lippe-Biesterfeld ]Prince Bernhard[/url] (who happens to have started the Bilderberg Group) seems to have done pretty well on the medals front:

During World War II the German-born prince was part of the London-based Allied war planning councils and saw active service as a Wing Commander (RAF) flying both fighter and bomber planes into combat. He was a Dutch General and Supreme Commander of the Dutch Armed forces, involved in negotiating the terms of surrender of the German Army in the Netherlands.

For proven bravery, leadership and loyalty during his wartime efforts he was appointed a Knight Commander of the Military William Order, the Netherlands' oldest and highest honour. After the War he was also made Honorary Air Marshal of the RAF by Queen Elizabeth II.

That's despite being a member of SS intelligence before the war...

While at university, Bernhard joined the Nazi Party. He also enrolled in the Sturmabteilung (SA), which he left in 1934 when he graduated.[4] [b]The Prince later denied that he had belonged to SA, to the Reiter-SS (SS Cavalry Corps), and to the NSKK, but these are well-documented memberships[/b]

Now how was it the Nazis were funded again?

The attempt to insinuate he is a Nazi because of his sibling, when he fought against them, is lunacy, even by JHJ standards.

Anyone sit down and watch the TV programme on the BBC about her, her life and the life of the Royal Family "behind the scenes"? I thought it was really nice, quite what I was doing watching it I honesty can't remember.

However, the programme brought out old films never seen, filmed in part by family members. There were films from back in the 20's right through to (almost) present day, some really heart warming shots and scenes of a normal family life led. Scenes of kids (Liz's early childhood, Margret, etc etc.) just playing together, having fun, doing kids stuff like playing on the beach and making sand piles and dancing and prancing around.
Lovely.

I know theres a lot of hate on here for her and her family, but the film was just a really nice representation of a family growing up and doing normal things families do.

Anyway..

The attempt to insinuate he is a Nazi because of his sibling, when he fought against them, is lunacy, even by JHJ standards.

Yep, lunacy...

Thomas McKittrick, an American banker, was president of the BIS. When the United States entered the war in December 1941, McKittrick’s position, the history notes, “became difficult”. But McKittrick managed to keep the bank in business, thanks in part to his friend [b]Allen Dulles, the US spymaster based in Berne. McKittrick was an asset of Dulles[/b], known as Codename 644, and frequently passed him information that he had garnered from Emil Puhl, who was a frequent visitor to Basel and often met McKittrick.

[b]Declassified documents in the American intelligence archives reveal an even more disturbing story. Under an intelligence operation known as the “Harvard Plan”, McKittrick was in contact with Nazi industrialists, working towards what the US documents, dated February 1945, describe as a “close cooperation between the Allied and German business world”[/b].

[b]Thus while Allied soldiers were fighting through Europe, McKittrick was cutting deals to keep the Germany economy strong. This was happening with what the US documents describe as “the full assistance” of the State Department.[/b]

You know what I'm pretty certain he's a bit of a right wing, racist a-hole and I'm also pretty sure there was some secret shoring up of royal positions done with ze Germans should they have won the war.

But unless you're suggesting that there's some sort of continuity-nazi party that's lain dormant waiting until the almost dying breath of its lead members before rising up to consume us all in an apocolyptic facist-o-geddon I really dont see what your point is?

Just expanding on this a bit...

we still don't know the whole truth

Especially interesting given Prince Bernhard's ties in the Dutch Monarchy, [url= http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54_14-18.pdf ]is this piece[/url], which goes into further detail on how the very people who funded the Nazis and thus caused WW2 went on to launder the money:

[b]Suddenly, all sorts of neutral parties, particularly in Holland, were claiming ownership of various pieces of the Thyssen empire. In his cell, Fritz Thyssen just smiled and waited to be released from prison while members of the Dutch royal family and the Dutch intelligence service reassembled his pre-war holdings for him.[/b]

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I know theres a lot of hate on here for her and her family,

but the film was just a really nice representation of a family growing up and doing normal things families do.

GrahamS - Member
Well for me it is about having a Head of State that can represent us with dignity and diplomacy on the world stage.

Monarchy is still a crap idea, along with several other daft traditions we have, we have a nice country I'm not sure some of the dafter stuff defines it tho. Apart from people directly employed through monarchy (most of whom would still have a job if we kept the estate but retired the royals themselves) they have very little influence on the UK public's day to day life. But...... flag wavers gonna wave

THMs trollathon was obviously giving him warm thrill last night, plenty of us bit, but it's a subject worthy of discussion and as she's so high profile at the moment it's worth discussing now, I'm sure she's not an STW regular so doubt she'll be upset by some of the more "off" comments made.

*wave, smile, read the odd speech, try not to insult anyone, don't get caught shagging someone you shouldn't.

THMs trollathon

Interesting view and definition of trolling but understandable when you consider where you got the idea from.

Start a thread to celebrate a remarkable achievement by a remarkable monarch and woman. Second post, wishes she was dead and plenty of unpleasantness to follow (plus some lovely conspiracy stuff for amusement). People object to insensitivity on other threads about the recently departed and yet show similar lack of taste and sensitivity on here - they will be running out of spray starch at this rate.

Well done, no very well done

flag wavers gonna wave

And lots of them too - must be hard to bear.

Start a thread to celebrate a remarkable achievement by a remarkable monarch and woman

And lots of them too - must be hard to bear.

thestabiliser - Member

But unless you're suggesting that there's some sort of continuity-nazi party

On the moon.

teamhurtmore - Member

And lots of them too - must be hard to bear.

No idea why you'd think that tbh. Some people like bikes, some people like fawning, some people like britain's got talent, some people like mad conspiracy theories, and none of this is hard to bear.

DOn't be stupid, that's just nonsense, theyre under the ice in Greenland

Correct and C4 news relegated it to a side story after the more substantive achievements of a singer. So perspectives differ....

It will be on an odd day when those wendyphiles start singing about the old girl eh?

No idea why you'd think that

I can read NW

Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer ........ I thought everyone knew that?

Indeed, what we don't know is whether those sympathies extended to conspiring with the nazis to ensure the continuity of the monarchy in the event of a nazi victory. That is a much bigger and more important issue, one which the queen herself has the power to release information which could answer this question. She doesn't though does she?