Getting lots of points is a rather unfortunate combination of driving relatively speedily and not having the wherewithal to spot the mobile cameras. Not a great combination. I feel for you.
BWD - nope - changed attitudes over a long period of time. I used to be a habitual speeder including some very fast riding on a motorcycle. I no longer own a fastish motorcycle. I no longer speed when driving cars at all. Partly growing up. partly changed circumstances, partly due to getting 6 pts partly due to discovering how much more relaxing and how little extra time it costs to drive to the limits
smiley - Whoa!
they look rather like dual carriageway.
dual carriage way is when there's a central reservation/ armco/ trees between the two directions of travel. There's two carriageways rather than one. You could have a single carriageway with 3 lanes in both directions, or dual carriageway with singe lanes in each direction. the difference is the stuff in the middle, which is pretty easy to spot if it's there!
Actually maybe doing that or even a formal plan might help although I imagine it’s a difficult conversation to take.
We did this with a guy at work last year. He got pinged 3 times in a year, all in prototype cars.
What it came down to in extra outgoings and lost overtime would have been over 10 thousand quid.
So he does all his speeding on test tracks now.
Didn't even need to go into the moral implications, just the cash impact was enough to make him slow down.
It's defintately going to be your fault.....
You are clearly a terrible husband who only thinks of himself! A proper man would clearly offer to share his clean license and take some points for her!
;D
Loose the keys for a week. When she has to get the bus and can't nip to the shops etc, she might take notice. Caught speeding 5 times and no sign of slowing down, I'll be brutal. She deserves everything she gets, I do feel sorry for the family as its not just her the ban or jail time will affect.
Just get her the car that mimics your username.. a rusty Nissan Prairie.
They were crap and slow when they came out new so I can only imagine they will be even slower now.
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dual carriage way is when there’s a central reservation/ armco/ trees between the two directions of travel. There’s two carriageways rather than one. You could have a single carriageway with 3 lanes in both directions, or dual carriageway with singe lanes in each direction. the difference is the stuff in the middle, which is pretty easy to spot if it’s there!
Yes, I know. But I was explaining how someone not as aware as you might mistakenly think they were on a dual carriageway in a moment of inattention. Because hey, not everyone is as knowledgable as you and other STW expert drivers.
When my girlfriend got caught doing 34mph in a 30 she had to do a speed awareness course. She tried all the "it wasn't my fault...." stuff, but I just kept reminding her that she'd broken the law and jokingly referred to her as a criminal until she eventually got the point that she was in the wrong.
Sounds like you're just going to have to let her hit the dozen and let her deal with the consequences.
p.s. To all the mongos in this thread. It's lose not loose, FFS.
Lose: to misplace something
Loose: when something isn't tight
OP: if she's really going to lose her job and still won't adjust her driving then there's nothing you can do. If she were drinking you'd stage an intervention but she's not, she's addicted to a style of driving and will not see anything wrong with it until her life goes pear shaped as a result (and even then it emphatically won;t be her fault).
Stand back and let it happen because you'll not change it and it'll harm your relationship if you try.
also
nealglover: 60,000 miles a year
is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day - rather you than me.
Because hey, not everyone is as knowledgable as you and other STW expert drivers.
As drivers we are all required to have a minimum level of knowledge though. That's what that license thing is for.
nealglover: 60,000 miles a year
is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day – rather you than me.
Not uncommon. I was an Account Manager for Coca-Cola for year, daily trips from Edinburgh or Borders to Perth / Dundee / Aberdeeen / Aviemore soon racks the miles up, I did similar to nealglover. Bizarrely I never got any points whilst driving those sorts of miles, but have stacked a few up in recent years now that I don't drive for work any more.
Crash her in to a brick wall at 10mph that might change her opinion
A fun game that changed my driving habits (somewhat) was trying to get the biggest MPG number possible on certain routine journeys.
I used to drive up the M3 and halfway round the M25 and into Essex regularly, often at night too when it's a lot clearer - started off by just 'Making good progress' but was always surprised how much fuel my car munched through (thirsty-ish 2.0 TSI).
Then the game was to get the best consumption figures possible. Less stressful, and it hurts your wallet less. The journey used to take pretty much a whole tank there and back, playing the consumption game I could return with a good half tank left.
Once I realised that I stopped bothering making progress, I despise going to the petrol station.
I don’t see driving legally as being restricted, I don’t think I would drive much differently if the speed limits changed to be honest. It’s a relaxing way to drive.
This. It's the speed limit. Deal with it. When i'm in a different country with a lower speed limit, eg 55 or so, it's almost always more relaxing to drive places. You plan for it. If your day is so crammed that you can only be on time by doing 90 everywhere, then you've got to thin out the stuff you are doing.
Anyway, have you still got the fabled Rusty Nissan Prairie? Switch her onto that if so. A proper vehicle where you will know about the speed you are doing. 🙂
This sounds terrible, but if she won’t be told then let her get banned.
This!
When I was young and stupid and working as a motorbike courier (time is money and all that), I considered it a sort moral obligation to travel everywhere at about double the speed limit, or more, and thought I was immortal. I was a right dick!
My speeding ban had a certain inevitability to it, but, with hindsight, it was preferable to the other, alternative inevitability - my untimely death in a flaming, cartwheeling mass of metal and plastic.
When you get banned, all the things you take for granted suddenly become an enormous PITA! The most basic of daily activities suddenly become a logistical nightmare. Some are just plain impossible.Its especially annoying when you've a GSX-R750 and a KTM250 parked in the garage that you walk past on your way to the bus stop. In the rain. For a bus that doesn't turn up. Again.
And its not just a PITA for her, obviously
You'll now be earning your living, as well as the day job, as a taxi driver. Unpaid.
Unless you're an absolute idiot, you only get banned the once. Nowadays I have a clean licence, and don't drive like a bell end. Well.... not entirely true, but there's a time and a place
each one has been 1 or 2mph above the allowed limits
If those are her words, that may be the problem / solution. "Allowed" limits implies the speed limit plus the margin; she should treat the speed limit as the limit, and forget there's any allowance. From what you say, she's not reckless, but she's got it into her head that it's OK to drive at 10%+2, and then been caught out. Point out that the margin allows for error in the speedo, but hers might be under-reading (they're not legally supposed to under-read but maybe she doesn't know that) and tell her to keep the speedo UNDER the limit - if you're in the car with her, make it a challenge!
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Just a quick thought, does anyone on here adjust their driving and speed depending on the road and time of day? I know I do. And yes sometimes that will involve speeding but it will also involve going below the limit (target).
Just a quick thought, does anyone on here adjust their driving and speed depending on the road and time of day? I know I do. And yes sometimes that will involve speeding but it will also involve going below the limit
You mean speeding because that's the speed of everyone else on the road? Not particularly, and certainly not in built up areas. In fact I usually make a point of sticking to or going under the speed limit in built up areas, near schools etc and sod the drivers who are getting bothered behind me.
It's not ok to drive at 10% + 2 mph. I just got a ticket for driving 46 in a 40 (temporary restriction on a motorway, mea culpa etc.etc.) First points this century 🙁
Wrightyson, most experienced drivers do to an extent.
i usually go at around the speed limit. Maybe slightly more late at night when there’s virtually no traffic, but when it’s busy, or wet, or I’m tired, i just slot in behind a truck and use their speed limiter as a form of cruise control. (My car doesn’t have cruise control)
inexperienced drivers (or experienced ****wits) can’t recognise that you can go too fast without speeding, hence why they are more likely to have an accident due to excess speed.
Edit: not in town, that IS stupid
It's a limit, not a target.
I'm glad you cleared that up for me and you win today's prize for being the first one to bite as I knew someone would.
Built up areas are always a no no for speeding for me in fact they would be the areas of lesser speed, especially during school/commute time.
But areas speeding will include a road I've travelled many many times, they've recently reduced it to a 50 for no apparent reason, not an accident black spot etc, it's just a countryside not all that busy road between towns. And yes it's a fun to drive road.
Mrs RNP is an adult and responsible for her own actions - you don’t need to do anything. If she eventually loses her licence, that’s her problem.
It’s her that needs to be asking these questions.
Rachel
I've managed to stack up three speed awareness courses and one set of points in a 30 year driving career. Not good. My wife has only managed one course and one set of points, so better. After my last course, I worked out how I would get to work without a licence, how I would be able to get to my various leisure activities and social events and how much extra it would cost. There would have been a significant lifestyle change. I now try to travel at no more than the speed limit.
nealglover: 60,000 miles a year
is 26 working weeks driving at 60mph for 7.5 hours a day – rather you than me.
I've had jobs where I did more miles than that. It’s not uncommon.
Ive changed jobs totally recently though, and now drive Zero miles/week for work.
And I do miss it.
I think the OP is on a hiding to nothing.
If his wife refuses to slow down and won't accept that her need to get somewhere doesn't override the speed limit, I fail to see how she will modify her driving behaviour accordingly.
Too many people seem to pick and choose which rules of the road apply to them depending on their own personal needs.
Out of interest, on the 3 occasions she's been caught speeding, what was she done for? i.e. minor 33 in a 30, or major 45 in a 30?
not having the wherewithal to spot the mobile cameras
They will have spotted you long before you spot them. Their main job is using that massive zoom lense to catch speeding drivers, while you are busy doing all the other brain-using activities that driving invloves.
In regards the OP and a couple of other comments, if there was an app or sat-nav that set off some stupidly irritating noise when over the limit then that would be enough to prevent me from considering it. A bit like an electric fence, the cows soon learn (not that I'm calling Mrs RNP a cow).
Even better if it was a standalone unit that you could install in a hidden location so she can't switch it off. If it was just a phone app then I imagine the final 3 points would come from being caught using a handheld device instead!
My BMW has the speed limit warning built in - I assume via the on board sat nav (although you can mute it) - there's literally buttons on the steering wheel to manage it and a tone+ a message next to the speedo saying you're over the limit for that section of road.
Hopefully she will be banned from driving soon.
But areas speeding will include a road I’ve travelled many many times, they’ve recently reduced it to a 50 for no apparent reason, not an accident black spot etc, it’s just a countryside not all that busy road between towns. And yes it’s a fun to drive road.
for "no reason". hmm. have you checked crashmap to see if there have been any collisions? Does it go past peoples houses?
How do you know there isn't someone on a bike around the next corner? London at night has lots of people speeding 'because there aren't many people around". Its scary if you're one of the few that are.
The reason that road will have got to 50mph is as a result of risk assessments following accidents
^^^ the problem with that is, the GPS speed limits are often wrong, plus it won't take into account temporary limits. I know this cos the speed limit flashes up on my Tom Tom & also on my built in sat nav - it's not particularly unusual for them to disagree about a stretch of road (plus there are a couple of bits locally where they're both wrong!)
The way the Ford speed limit detection system works (and I assume also the BMW one that someone mentioned earlier) is by using cameras to read the actual signs by the side of the road.
The way the Ford speed limit detection system works (and I assume also the BMW one that someone mentioned earlier) is by using cameras to read the actual signs by the side of the road.
Quite a lot do now. I wonder if there is a portable device that does it now as well given that lots have cameras these days
I’m not actually sure tha any road is fun to drive.
there are too many variables, there could be a cyclist round the next corner, or a cow, or a citroen saxo on its roof, or diesel/cowshit/mud on the road.
it’s quite easy to be going too fast but still be well within the speed limit.
i don’t agree 100% with the fixation on exact speed though, if exceeding the speed limit Is automatically dangerous, then *some* people will, by default, think that they are completely safe as long as they are at, or just under the limit.
concentrating on driving standards in general would be better imo.
Which part of the UK does she drive in? We need to warn everyone else !
You know when you drive past a roundabout and somebody has put a bed sheet there with "Fat Dave is 50" or "Shaz is 30" painted on it, why don't you do the same? e.g. "FFS slow down Mrs RNP", or "Just a few more days until you're banned you complete half-wit"
It’s a limit, not a target.
Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test.
martymac - I do know roads where the sightlines are good and I know them well so exceeding the speed limit would not increase the risk of crashing - just the consequences if you do
I also know roads where driving as fast as you possibly can even on a powerful motorbike doesn't get you anywhere near the speed limit
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What a great thread.
Personally I recommend the Saudi Solution. Women, know your limits. Second best is the "take her car and have it tampered with" approach. Dob her in to the filth is a particularly good one.
The OP's bird sounds like a pretty good driver speed-wise, if not too bright. She doesn't speed in built up areas and she only just exceeds the 10%+ amount. Those vans tend to be parked up in places where the road opens up after a frustrating stretch and people let go. I've been caught a couple of times. These days I slow down in the usual spots because I know it's a "world of pain"* (copyright STW) if you get caught.
* aka a nuisance.
What a great thread.
Personally I recommend the Saudi Solution. Women, know your limits.
We never should have given them the vote. 😆
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09zgt51
Sit down with her and work your way though these. Pretty sobering stuff.
I’m not actually sure that any road is fun to drive.
I can assure you that you're absolutely wrong!
After Monday Nights night ride, a couple of us (Golf GTi, Subaru Impreza) came back down one of our favourite twisty B roads about midnight, with a flagrant disregard for the speed limit, and had a right old laugh!
Like I said earlier, there's a time and a place. This was both.
No children or animals were harmed during this totally irresponsible, but bloody good fun behaviour! 😀
