Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test.
Quite possibly, though I am quoting/rephrasing the Highway Code which I assume still applies to those taking part in their driving test. (Rule 146 if you wish to look it up)
Since 2008 23 crashes, 5 severe 18 minor no deaths, so i'd consider that hardly deadly. Also looking at where the accidents occurred the 50mph limit wouldn't have made a great deal of difference. Cool website though, shall now spend lunch perusing roads.
Binners has just reignited the thread with that very post.
I had two imprezas in the past over the space of 8 years. Made a lot of progress, never got a single point or fine and always kept them shiny side up.
Make of that what you will.
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Not having a dig at all, we all make mistakes, I’m just intrigued – this should be a pretty easy spot? Not knowing the difference is one thing, but knowing and not recognizing? I don’t understand!
Yup ... it was dual my side, single the other way, with no dividing barrier ...
With the benefit of hindsight etc
It’s a limit, not a target.
Congratulations! You have just failedyour driving test.
Try travelling at 60 on a winding country NSL road on your test. See what happens. I travelled at 40 / 45 on this sort of road when it was raining and passed. One of my missus pupils did the 60 thing and failed.
I do know roads where the sightlines are good and I know them well so exceeding the speed limit would not increase the risk of crashing – just the consequences if you do
That comment kinda contradicts itself
“flagrant disregard”
it was 31 in a 30 wasn’t it, you lunatic!!
Cool website though,
Sorry, I'm lost, what website???
To the OP, get a dodgy lawyer lined up. My sisiter-in-law was on 9 points, got done for speeding but the lawyer did the sob story stuff and she got away with a 1 month ban (2 week holiday, 2 weeks working from home) and then her points were reset to 0. Result!!
Wait what? They reset their points to zero?? Like even the ones they received recently, before they expired through age???
Rachel
I've been driving like an undertaker since going on to 6 points. 9 points would put most same people into serious panic mode.
Cars nowadays really make speed comfortable and easy. When I first passed my test I drove my mums Fiesta and could could actually feel the speed. The car was straining, there was lots of wind noise, it wasn't particularly comfortable. My car now hardly feels like it is trying at 90mph (hence me no being on 6 points). Not blaming the cars, just an observation.
Yes - vehicles do speed far far more easily than they did. My motorbike at the redline in 2nd (second) gear is doing 100mph
Rachel
They reset their points to zero??
Yes, bizarre isn't it............
yes but you still have to declare it on insurance and expect a 100% loading
Just as an aside, and I can't see it mentioned in the thread so apologies if it has already been covered, but i take it you are aware that the fines for speeding and the like were overhauled last year and are now based upon a weekly wage calculation with offences now also being grouped into bands with fines and points as a calculation of these.
interesting reading and calculator here
Want to go fast?
Do it on a track....
Otherwise 1st rule of life: Don’t be a dick.
Just as an aside, and I can’t see it mentioned in the thread so apologies if it has already been covered, but i take it you are aware that the fines for speeding and the like were overhauled last year and are now based upon a weekly wage calculation with offences now also being grouped into bands with fines and points as a calculation of these.
this of course only applies if it's over the FPN speed. None of these were apparently.
Mr lebowski, exactly.
it does somewhat depend on your definition of ‘fast’ though.
ie: i do 110,000 miles a year in a bus fitted with a 62mph speed limiter, so, to me, 70mph actually feels quite fast.
this is the problem, people who habitually speed get used to it, so 70 might not seem that fast to them.
if i go onto a motorway in my own car, and just head off, whilst listening to the radio/cd and pay no attention at all to my speed then i will be doing 62/63 mph, exactly what the bus does. If I’m following someone who does 70, it actually makes me feel uncomfortable as I’m not used to it.
Try travelling at 60 on a winding country NSL road on your test. See what happens.
Oddly, when a road where I used to live was dropped from NSL to 40, one of the most vociferous opponents was the local driving test centre as it was the bit of NSL nearby and featured in most of their routes.
Not sure what the OP is thinking about the range of responses being offered..
But this:
We all speed. Any driver who says they don’t is a liar.
Is as ignorant a comment as I’ve seen outside a politics thread.
Well done whoever you are, I’ll keep note of that so I can steer clear of your belligerent viewpoints.
Is as ignorant a comment as I’ve seen outside a politics thread.
I don't think so (not that I frequent politics threads) - you only have to drive around to see hardly anyone drives under the limits. He's not calling you liars, just speaking from experience, IMO.
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It’s a limit, not a target.
Congratulations! You have just failed your driving test."
as i said last time you came up with this shit . no he hasnt - if its not safe to do the limit then its not a target. you just have to be showing to make reasonable progress and not impede the progress of others without good reason.
case in point - do the limit past a horse on an NSL road and see how you fare in your driving test.
I don't think the disregard of speed limits is because she thinks she is a good driver.
The telling phrase is
"She’s a going at a million miles an hour type person and always busy with loads on the go which translates to her driving as well."
My partner is the same, she is constantly late, sets unreasonable targets for everything and almost always stressed.
This translates into her speeding, being continually run down and catching colds, and other shit.
I've been at her for years and can see some change, but its hard work !
As far as driving fast cos you think you are a good driver. Well I've been there done that, eventually went circuit racing, cars and motor bikes then stage rallying.
From experience, driving fast on the road proves nothing but what a dangerous idiot you are.
TRy the real thing and you will rapidly find out you are not the next Senna,Prost, Mc Rae.
You cannot commit on open roads, or take the right lines and are really not driving proper quick.
All the people I know who race, don't drive dangerously or overly quick on open roads.
People don't exceed the speed limit?
Come off it?!
How many people could sit on a lie detector, with the threat of being snogged by Anne Widdecombe if they told a porky, and make the following statement
"I have never been more that 70mph on a motorway, and I have never exceeded 30 mph in a 30 zone"
I reckon you'd be looking at 0.000001% of the population.
And we all know who they are. Because we've all sworn at them. They're the ****ing old giffers in a Nissan Micra, face pressed half an inch off the windscreen, doing 45mph in the middle lane of the M62
Love these recurring threads on STW...those predicting death and destruction if you go over the speed limit are overreacting...do fatalities occur?...of course, are they common?...nope.
Given the number of vehicles on the road in the UK fatalities are thankfully rare, I work in the ambulance control room currently and it's a big deal to have a fatality call come in because it's not a daily occurrence.
Most people (and certainly most modern cars) can do 70mph+ on 50 limit roads and 100mph comfortably on motorways...people do it every day and don't spontaneously burst into flames.
Plenty of slow drivers are lethal, the old boy who drives everywhere at 40mph but cuts people up, pulls out in front of traffic, doesn't stop for pedestrians etc...never had an accident but caused hundreds!
In my experience the most common cause of accidents tends to be not looking/seeing...i believe the official stats back this up too...of course speed compounds the issue once the accident has happened but rarely is it the actual cause.
People are also conveniently ignoring the attraction in that it's fun...like the illicit nature of drug taking, it's illegality is part of the lure...track driving, local level racing etc is all good fun but it's not cheap, usually requires a dedicated vehicle and a weekend away partaking in said activity...or you can put your foot down for 10mins on the lovely winding road during your commute to work...get to work invigorated and with a grin on your face.
Only thing I'd say about your wife is her speeding seems linked to a wider manic behavior pattern which would concern me..if she just enjoyed a blast once a week early in the morning I'd understand (we've all been there) but she needs to slow her entire life down or she'll have a stroke, heart attack etc before she knows it.
She'll be fine anyway if she gets caught again, a mother in court pleading hardship and an inability to ferry the kids around and do motherly things is never in a million years going to get banned...despite the progress society has made with equality women still get treated with kid gloves by the judiciary.
My sister is the same as you describe, her life runs at 100mph and is always frantic, always late as she is trying to do so many things. Se has always exceeded the limit, been caught etc but it has not changed her behaviour. Even when she careered in to a tractor as she was speeding and not concentrating.
Deviant, like you say the accidents are caused by people not concentrating, looking etc. but it makes these things much harder to respond to if you are speeding in the first place. It makes it even more difficult to respond, if you are speeding and not concentrating.
the fact that someone is continually getting busted speeding points to them not looking/seeing/having a massive awareness problem though does it not? It's not exactly difficult to avoid cameras if you're switched on!In my experience the most common cause of accidents tends to be not looking/seeing
Like I said earlier, there’s a time and a place. This was both.
No children or animals were harmed during this totally irresponsible, but bloody good fun behaviour!
That's what Nic Grundy thought on the Archers. She mowed down poor old professional fraudster Matt Crawford, but weeks later, because actions have consequences, she died from sepsis. If you're going to drive like a loon, understand the risks... Bear in mind that if Matt had been a genuinely good person, the outcome could have been even worse.
Lecture over.
Edit: I loves them giant smileys I does. Far and away the best thing on STW and the big plus of the rather excellent forum rehash.
My wife fragrantly disregards the speed limit.
Going too fast while smelling really rather lovely.
so what is worse
a: attentively exceeding the speed limit
b: inattentively not exceeding the speed limit.
😉
She’ll be fine anyway if she gets caught again, a mother in court pleading hardship and an inability to ferry the kids around and do motherly things is never in a million years going to get banned
This boils my piss when people plead hardship. Tough, if you need the licence that much, drive accordingly.
People don’t exceed the speed limit?
Come off it?!
How many people could sit on a lie detector, with the threat of being snogged by Anne Widdecombe if they told a porky, and make the following statement
“I have never been more that 70mph on a motorway, and I have never exceeded 30 mph in a 30 zone”
I reckon you’d be looking at 0.000001% of the population.
And we all know who they are. Because we’ve all sworn at them. They’re the ****ing old giffers in a Nissan Micra, face pressed half an inch off the windscreen, doing 45mph in the middle lane of the M62
Well soz Lads but I don’t speed. Change the car in your example and you describe me to a tee.
I’d quite to have a dance with Anne, she seemed such a nice person on Strictly.. then we could have tea and cupcakes.
And really, I must be in that 0.000001% you are talking about.. and yet I see folks on the road all the time that don’t speed. I see plenty who do, but then I’d expect that too.
You say you bought her a slower car. But really what she needs is a Yaris hybrid. The perfect combo of no power no speed.
Yup … it was dual my side, single the other way, with no dividing barrier …
With the benefit of hindsight etc
As someone else said, the number of lanes is an irrelevance. The presence of a central reservation is what defines a dual carriageway.
It's amazing how few drivers know this - do they teach it when learning to drive, anyone remember? When I did a speed awareness course, no-one in the room other than myself (and the instructors, obvs) either knew what a DC was or what the default speed limits on DC / SC roads. It's no wonder people dribble along at 40 or speed at 70 on SC roads, they've no clue what the limit actually is.
Wait what? They reset their points to zero?? Like even the ones they received recently, before they expired through age???
If you get your licence suspended, it resets your points to zero. Which makes more sense if it's a 12-month ban instead of a month.
Get her one of these?
Cougar im actually wondering if that has changed.
i was under the impression that a road could be a DC with or without a central reservation.
in fact I’m certain that’s what it was when i passed my test, i was quite surprised to read (on here, today) that the defining factor is the CR.
i know that’s what it says in the HC (now) like, but I’m certain that it used to be different.
anyone else think the same? Or am i going mad?
And really, I must be in that 0.000001% you are talking about
Seems really unlikely .. unless you always drive the same route. There are plenty of reasons to miss the first sign... like paying more attention to the kids with the ball or someone else's driving.
What I often notice is someone doing 40 in a 50 ... then they hit the 30 limit and carry on at 40.. seemingly oblivious until some sort of obvious sign other than the 30 mph sign...
They seem to do it serially as well ... usually though the 5-6 villages I'll drop behind then catch-up .. then next village they carry on and ...
I'm sure if someone ever asked they would swear they never speed and probably believe it.
@Rusty ...
What's the wife do ???
What are the pressures for her work wise, especially around job security and time pressures?
To the OP, get a dodgy lawyer lined up. My sisiter-in-law was on 9 points, got done for speeding but the lawyer did the sob story stuff and she got away with a 1 month ban (2 week holiday, 2 weeks working from home) and then her points were reset to 0. Result!!
Now some part of the story is wrong...
A disqualification of >56 days requires you to reapply to DVLA for your license (thats a paperwork exercise not taking your test again), and when it comes back it will be clean. A shorter disqualification you hold onto your license and can begin driving as soon as the ban is up, but you still keep the points.
It is possible your SIL is mistaken; it is possible that the lawyer misinformed her; it is even possible that the court misinformed her. It is very unlikely DVLA got it wrong though!
She’ll be fine anyway if she gets caught again, a mother in court pleading hardship and an inability to ferry the kids around and do motherly things is never in a million years going to get banned
How many exceptional hardship pleas have you listened to? Plenty of mothers fail to convince the courts that their children will suffer excessively from the six month ban; and if as the OP has there is another driver in the household then I'd actually expect the Crown to appeal any case where it was found that way. Even if she did manage to convince the court she can't use the same reason again within 3 yrs so with the developing trend may not be off the hook.
What I often notice is someone doing 40 in a 50 … then they hit the 30 limit and carry on at 40.. seemingly oblivious until some sort of obvious sign other than the 30 mph sign…
Ahh yes, that’s not me.
I see a few do that, not many I must add. But then it’s pretty much like speeding on a motorway, 85odd slowing to 70odd then back to 85odd.. in a queue in the fast lane.
What annoys me more are the roadworks that “proclaim” to have average speed cameras in the zone, when in actual fact they don’t and no one GAS about the limits imposed.. Its been mentioned on here before about a 50mph limit on the M27 near Portsmouth that only me and a few others seem to acknowledge the limit and drive the limit.. everyone else blasts past.. and the signs are there for speed cameras but the drivers seem ignorant of the width limits and works going on.
But the entitled seem to think limits are there purely to keep people in employment making the road signs.
i was under the impression that a road could be a DC with or without a central reservation.
in fact I’m certain that’s what it was when i passed my test, i was quite surprised to read (on here, today) that the defining factor is the CR.
i know that’s what it says in the HC (now) like, but I’m certain that it used to be different.
anyone else think the same? Or am i going mad?
Not since I passed my test almost 30 years ago.
Yeah it seems i was totally wrong.
Blimey 5 pages!
We don't have kids so at least I don't have that to worry about.
She works in the charity sector in a managerial role and needs a car to visit multiple locations.
She's a bit more open to discussion tonight so together we're going to work on her driving and to try and get some of my Captain slow driving/cycle commuting observation skills instilled in her. Wish me luck!
I have an MX5
Even when you drive it "fast", you're still under the speed limit. But you feel like Aryton Senna
She works in the charity sector
From my sister-in-laws experience that goes down really well, sort out a dodgy lawyer and you'll be sorted. (Karma will get you all in the end though.....)
have you still got your landy ?
give her that for a week.
Perhaps the realisation that at any sort of speed shes not going to farewell as a passenger due to lack of crumple zones and airbags might deter?
